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Old 07-13-2004, 05:22 PM   #161
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and why else would you sign him, besides to warm a spot on the bench?
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Old 07-13-2004, 06:39 PM   #162
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Why did the Pistons sign Antonio McDysse? (How do you spell that)
To replace Okur, who i believe is going to sign with Utah, and the Piston's aren't going to match the offer.
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I read in the paper today that the Pistons could still match Utahs offer on Okur and were likely to get Rasheed back...why go and get Dyess?
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Posted at the same time as EoE, maybe I read wrong and they aren't matching the offer...Damn.
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Posted at the same time as EoE, maybe I read wrong and they aren't matching the offer...Damn.
I don't think the pistons could afford to sign Okur and resign Rasheed too. So they signed McDyeus to replace Okur and now they are resigning Rasheed.
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not like we need a real Center...Shaq is gone.
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No offense to O'Neal, but the Heat had a good nucleus, all they needed was to get a guy like Dampier and they would've been better.
Any improvement in the Heat will be pretty minimal, imo. Sure, they'll have Shaq to beat up on Eastern centers, but when he faces the inevitable double- and triple-teams, and once opponents learn to put their best defender on Wade, they'll be forced to rely on their supporting players. And their supporting players are not enough to elevate them above, maybe, the five seed in the conference.

As KoOS said, the Heat had a good, young nucleus in place. With another couple of years, and some good role players brought in, the Heat could be challenging the Pistons, Nets, and Pacers for elite status in the conference. Losing those three players and getting only Shaq (who, I'll remind you, has played twelve seasons, and a man his size won't be able to play much longer) in return isn't the answer they needed.
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No, Shaq will be the answer. Its not going to be Shaq and Wade playing along with three stiffs. The other team with double team Shaq, put two undersized guys on him, then you kick the ball out to Wade or Eddie Jones. Jones is a key shooter, he had sweet percentages for a guard last year, their outside presence is nothing to throw away. Otherwise, they double team Shaq, that leaves another undersized guy to try to deal with Horry or Malone or whoever else they get to play there.

They had a good young nucleus last year, yes, but this year they got rid of Odom and got Shaq...Ill take Shaq. You lose Brian Grant...there are dozens of free agents they can pick up better than Rasta Monsta...Butler is really the only one they lost, but they can make up for him with Eddie Jones and free agency, not to mention his injury status..

If you looked into it, you would know that this deal isn't about developing a championship team in five years. The Heat can't fill their new arena, even early in the playoffs last year, and they have yellow seats, which just exploits everything. They needed a quick fix to get people to start coming to their games, and theres no better way than signing Shaq.

Shaq > Lamar Odom when it comes to ratings
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And their supporting players are not enough to elevate them above, maybe, the five seed in the conference.
They aren't any worse than the ones the Lakers had during their run
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The Lakers are just another team now. They better pray Kobe resigns, or they are in real trouble. I hope he goes to the Clips. I guess the team in the West are the Spurs again, although I really like what Utah has done, and of course the Rockets.
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T-Hud is almost officially signed by the Wolves, btw
In the Star Trib, they said that the Wolves used their exception to get Hudson, yet later IN THE SAME ARTICLE said that they can use the exception to sign another free agent.

What the fuck?

Were the pups forced to waste their exception on Hud, or did the early bird rights protect us?
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I am hoping that Kobe signs with the Clippers, because I think that would be sweet. And even if he does the Lakers aren't in horrible position.

Maybe for a year or two they miss the playoffs, but you can build a solid all around team around Kareem Rush and Luke Walton. It would kill them because they would lose all the star power, but they wouldn't be left with nothing like the Bulls were.
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I don't understand all of basketball contracts, mid level exception, veterans minimum, all that. Are you given a certain amount, like "two veterans minimums, three mid level exceptions..." I don't know, WTF
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mid level exception is for teams over the cap at the start of FA....I dunno how it works exactly.
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Kobe, Odom, Butler, Grant, throw in a half decent centre and that's a decent lineup.
except none of those guys can play the point.
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If Lakers re-sign Fisher I bet Caron would come off the bench

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C - ??

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Do they still have Medva whatever his name is? And who is gonna be the back up PG?? Who is going to be the STARTING PG if Fisher signs somewhere else?
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If Lakers re-sign Fisher I bet Caron would come off the bench

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PF - Grant
C - ??

6th man - Butler

Other reserves
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Do they still have Medva whatever his name is? And who is gonna be the back up PG?? Who is going to be the STARTING PG if Fisher signs somewhere else?
Sa-la-va Med-ved-en-ko [/Stephen A. Smith]

if they don't sign anyone theyll probably but Grant at C, Odom at PF, and Butler at SF
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Rumored tarde ESPN is talking about:

New York gets:
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Toronto gets:
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DISCUSSION: My opinions on the Shaq trade
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While the Detroit Pistons' dismantling of the Lakers in the NBA Finals was the story of the year, it didn't come as a result of shutting down O'Neal. The big man averaged 26.6 ppg on .631 shooting over the five-game series and publicly questioned why his teammates weren't getting him the ball, a problem that won't arise in Miami precisely because of attitudes like Wade's. There will be no power struggles, no divisive tugs-of-war via the media; in South Florida, Shaq is unquestionably the man.

Quite honestly? I think this trade is EXCELLENT for the Miami Heat. I think the biggest thing that the Heat have going for them (as the article alluded to), is that Shaq will CLEARLY be the man in Miami.

Here's another thing that I firmly believe.

Kobe Bryant is a much better player than Shaq, but Shaq is a more VALUABLE player than Kobe. This is particularly noticeable under pressure (Shaq is much more consistent under pressure). Furthermore - Shaq is much more of a leader than Kobe. Kobe is a great player, but he can't 'lead' a team. Shaq however, can.

Lastly - I don't believe that Shaq' "getting old" will be a problem. I think this will be countered with new motivation on Shaq's part. Furthermore - I think Shaq will flourish now that HE knows that he is the #1 man again.



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With Shaq in the fold, the Heat are likely to start Wade and Eddie Jones in the backcourt, Udonis Haslem at power forward and a player-to-be-named at small forward -- perhaps restricted free agent Rasual Butler or any of the bevy of available swingmen who will be pounding down Miami's door to play alongside the team's latest acquisition.

Wade and Haslem are both entering their second year, but Wade has already shown a Kobe Bryant-like flair for the dramatic, averaging 18.0 ppg, 5.6 apg and 4.0 rpg during the playoffs, while Haslem was a bruiser in the paint, grabbing 6.3 rpg in just 23.9 minutes last year. Jones, a former teammate of O'Neal's in L.A., may have lost a step defensively and will be 33 when the 2004-05 season opens, but he remains an effective shooter. He led Miami in scoring last year with 17.3 ppg and was third in the league with 177 3-pointers.
The Heat have a decent nuclei of talent.

Mark my words: The Heat will be a contender in the East this year. The team that beats them (if someone does) will probably win the championships.


As far as the Lakers go? I think they'll still be a talented team (who will finish above .500), but they will be inconsistent. I don't see them getting past San Antonio.......(or perhaps even Sacramento).

Speaking of Sacramento, I firmly believe that they need to trade Webber (or make Mike Bibby the CLEAR CUT #1 guy on the team.......and give the ball to Bibby more under pressure).
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LOL toronto would be getting shit for Vince. The Raptors should go for draft picks at least, but even this year they drafted a scrub. Dallas would be sick with Vince, although they still need a point.
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LOL toronto would be getting shit for Vince. The Raptors should go for draft picks at least, but even this year they drafted a scrub. Dallas would be sick with Vince, although they still need a point.
Vince Carter is one of the most overrated centers in the history of the game.


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Why would Dallas go after Vince Carter? As far as I know, Carter isn't exactly known for his defensive ability. He's far more known for his offense.

Dallas needs defense. They have one of the weakest defenses in the NBA.


To steal a page out of Pepsi Man's book, this trade = is gay.
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yeah but a good center like carter can take you far

True.

I just think that if the Mavs are going to make a big trade, they should get some defensive help.
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Old 07-15-2004, 02:57 AM   #193
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That trade isn't going to happen because of who the Raptors would be getting. I can see Dallas going after Vince Carter, because they are really stupid and keep getting players they don't need who all play the same position.

As for the future of Toronto, getting three solid players like that would be a good move for the future of their club (even though their last two draft picks have been big men). The reason that trade is not going through is because Vince Carter is putting people's butts in those seats. Toronto will not last through a rebuilding stage without Carted because he is the only reason they have any attendance. The only kind of trade that would work would have been the Vince for AI.

Also, I saw something like Kurt Thomas for Z. Whats the latest with that?
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Finally I dont have to hate the most unstopable player in the NBA anymore because he is off the Lakers.
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Finally I dont have to hate the most unstopable player in the NBA anymore because he is off the Lakers.
I've been a fan of Shaq's since the finals. When Kobe fell apart and acted like he didn't care, Shaq kept trying to keep his team going. And he was rewarded with backstabbing within the organization, and amongst the fans.

Almost every Laker fan disowned Shaq during and after the finals, because they knew they had to choose between Shaq and Kobe. Even though Kobe was worthless in the finals, and is a big rapist, all Lakers fans prefer him to Shaq. Why? Because Shaq isn't flashy. Because Shaq is "old." He's in LA. Should he date a 16 year old and get botox to make the fans like him better? But anyway, I felt safe to root for Shaq the minute some fag at Rajah's started arguing how Kobe is far more important than Shaq. It's laughable, and so I laughed... and am now officially a Shaq fan once again.







As for Heyman's "KG is overrated" comment. :foc:

I can see where his stats might be misleading. Despite having the best states consistently of anyone ever since Larry Bird and Charles Barkley, KG also makes players around him better, like Jordan, Shaq, Kidd and Duncan. He's most obviously top-5 talent in the league, and arguably #1. And overrated? The contract was not a "rating," it was a shady deal pulled by KG's agents, and I believe he fired them since that incident. They refused a reasonable offer without talking to KG about it. The Wolves were forced to give KG a record contract because of his agents, but McHale knew he was worth it. And to prove how non-overrated KG is, he took a pay cut despite deserving more, and entering the prime of his career. This is the time when you should be making the absolute maximum, but Shaq is going to be making more than KG. Shaq deserved 30 million a season 5 years ago, but to give him something like that for 6 years at his age now is a gamble. Plus you have to realize... while Shaq makes any team better... he's not very marketable. I mean, look how quickly the Lakers fans turned on him.

Anyway, KG's stats are misleading because he's the heart of a zone defense, which means he guards the post and allows deep-shooting PFs to score at will. It's not him, it's the system. If we had a better defensive team, then KG could play man coverage on his guy, and he would always shut his player down, and average 5 bpg.
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And he was rewarded with backstabbing within the organization, and amongst the fans.

Almost every Laker fan disowned Shaq during and after the finals, because they knew they had to choose between Shaq and Kobe.


Heat WHATTTTUP
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Kobe announced he'll stay with the Lakers. IMO he'll become the next McGrady/Iverson/Carter, ballhogs on shitty teams who will probably win the scoring title.
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LOL @ people saying Heat needed someone like Dampier. Anyone who follows the Warriors know Dampier is not the answer
If Dampier plays like he did this last season the Heat could've had a nice lineup of...

C Dampier
PF: Grant
SF: Odom
SG: Jones
PG: Wade

Maybe get one or two good bench players and they'd have a good team.

Now they are relagted to...

C: O'Neal
PF: Haslem
SF: Allen
SG: R. Butler
PG: Wade

Remember back in Orlando? Shaq had Penny and nothing else? They were good for a while, but they never won a championship. Shaq is older now and he is not as healthy as he used to be. Unless Wade steps up and plays like he did in the playoffs then the Heat will be lucky to make it past the 6th seed in the Eastern conference.
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Eddie Jones?

Erick Dampier was an above average center whose rebounds were inflated by playing on Golden State. He would not be a super star or probably even change much on a good team.

And its not like the Heat are set for the year, they still have the rest of the summer to develop a team. Wade and Jones are going to have all the space in the world to hit jump shots, and they will be top three in the East. Nuff said.
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