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Old 08-24-2005, 10:26 AM   #161
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I don't think I really need to give a REASON, per say, to be a fan of Chris Masters. It's not like I'm going to change anybody's mind anyway. I just don't understand what some of you guys seem to think is so bad about his mic work. And in ring? He hasn't even had a singles match over ten minutes, so he can't be judged too harshly.

I mean, I don't get it. When Batista started off, he wasn't THAT different from Masters. Just more intimidating. People didn't seem to hate him so much. So what's the difference? He didn't injure Steven Richards? I feel bad for Stevie for having his face busted, but injuries happen all the time in wrestling. Your favorite wrestler has probably tagged somebody a little stiff, so what?

It just seems that your beef with this guy is with his premature push, but on the other hand, he's at least something NEW. You keep saying that he's 'fallen flat on his face', and I just don't see that. I'd at least see how this program with Michaels plays out, ya know?
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:31 AM   #162
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I don't think I really need to give a REASON, per say, to be a fan of Chris Masters. It's not like I'm going to change anybody's mind anyway. I just don't understand what some of you guys seem to think is so bad about his mic work. And in ring? He hasn't even had a singles match over ten minutes, so he can't be judged too harshly.

I mean, I don't get it. When Batista started off, he wasn't THAT different from Masters. Just more intimidating. People didn't seem to hate him so much. So what's the difference? He didn't injure Steven Richards? I feel bad for Stevie for having his face busted, but injuries happen all the time in wrestling. Your favorite wrestler has probably tagged somebody a little stiff, so what?

It just seems that your beef with this guy is with his premature push, but on the other hand, he's at least something NEW. You keep saying that he's 'fallen flat on his face', and I just don't see that. I'd at least see how this program with Michaels plays out, ya know?
You said it better than I could, thats for damn sure.
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:55 AM   #163
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I don't think I really need to give a REASON, per say, to be a fan of Chris Masters.
And if you were the one who was insisting he was going places, this might be about you. I know your reason. You get a chubby when you see a muscle-bound retard.

But when someone positively asserts that he's going places....
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Old 08-24-2005, 10:58 AM   #164
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But when someone positively asserts that he's going places....
Honestly, I didn't read most of the thread. That was in response to something from way back on the first page. I just didn't use the "QUOTE" feature, is all.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:01 AM   #165
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You said it better than I could, thats for damn sure.
Mostly because he's asserting he's a fan because he likes the guy, while you're hiding behind "I'm a fan because he hasn't screwed up yet."

AT has a reason. Whether I agree with him or not, he has a reason. You don't.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:03 AM   #166
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Honestly, I didn't read most of the thread. That was in response to something from way back on the first page. I just didn't use the "QUOTE" feature, is all.
By the way, he injured Richards TWICE.

I know you like to downplay the nature of this, but his wrestling is very sloppy EVEN ignoring his injuries of Richards. Yes, accidents happen. Yes, some people get hurt. But there's a difference between Benoit or Angle injuring someone (They're clearly safe wrestlers) and Goldberg and Masters injuring someone (They're clearly not.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:10 AM   #167
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By the way, he injured Richards TWICE.

I know you like to downplay the nature of this, but his wrestling is very sloppy EVEN ignoring his injuries of Richards. Yes, accidents happen. Yes, some people get hurt. But there's a difference between Benoit or Angle injuring someone (They're clearly safe wrestlers) and Goldberg and Masters injuring someone (They're clearly not.
Think about THIS though.

Benoit and Angle are primarily TECHNICAL wrestlers. Masters is a brawler. Would you at least say that one is more likely to be injured in a staged slugfest than a wristlock gone awry?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:13 AM   #168
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You can call me a fan all day, and say im "hiding." Yea, terrified that im a fan of Masters. Your just a cry baby internet fan. You have a problem saying that he might be good. I do not have a problem saying he might be bad. Whos the bigger man?
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By the way, he injured Richards TWICE.

I know you like to downplay the nature of this, but his wrestling is very sloppy EVEN ignoring his injuries of Richards. Yes, accidents happen. Yes, some people get hurt. But there's a difference between Benoit or Angle injuring someone (They're clearly safe wrestlers) and Goldberg and Masters injuring someone (They're clearly not.
Its STEVIE F"N RICHARDS! I wouldnt be surprised if he was told to do, and is getting a push because of it.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:19 AM   #170
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Think about THIS though.

Benoit and Angle are primarily TECHNICAL wrestlers. Masters is a brawler. Would you at least say that one is more likely to be injured in a staged slugfest than a wristlock gone awry?
And how many brawlers regularly injure people?

Hogan? Bradshaw (When he's not raping people backstage)? Bikertaker? Foley? Oh wait, they're all luchadores.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:23 AM   #171
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Think about THIS though.

Benoit and Angle are primarily TECHNICAL wrestlers. Masters is a brawler. Would you at least say that one is more likely to be injured in a staged slugfest than a wristlock gone awry?
Yup. Rolling German Suplexes, Moonsaults, Swandive Headbutts, and Overhead Belly-to-Belly Suplexes are the safest moves in all of pro wrestling. Let's not forget that Chris Benoit's not opposed to using the occasional Tombstone Piledriver.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:23 AM   #172
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And how many brawlers regularly injure people?

Hogan? Bradshaw (When he's not raping people backstage)? Bikertaker? Foley? Oh wait, they're all luchadores.
It has happened twice in an unfortunate coincedence. I wouldn't call that regularly. And still, he's pretty new to the game. Given the experience, I think he can work out the kinks in working stiff without injuring.

It all goes back to giving him a chance. I will agree that his push is premature, but it seems that people are just looking for reasons to hate him because of it. For a brawler, I honestly don't think he's bad in the ring. He makes it look believeable, even when he's not actually smashing somebody's face in.
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You can call me a fan all day, and say im "hiding." Yea, terrified that im a fan of Masters. Your just a cry baby internet fan. You have a problem saying that he might be good. I do not have a problem saying he might be bad. Whos the bigger man?
If he hadn't been such a bad performer, I would have No problem saying he was good (See also, John Bradshaw Layfield). This is part of yoru little net fan conpiracy you cling to when someone says something you don't like.

The problem is, he's bad in ring. He's bad on the mic. He gets no fan reaction. The only problem I have in saying he might be good is that I'm not a fan of LYING. I know you're desperately trying to show me up and prove you are the bigger man, but if you have to make up lies about me, you've already lost.

Yo've also lied about your statement (Oh, I've never praised him, I only said give him a chance despite actually saying he had potential and thus was going places) and stance, you've failed to come up with one positive reason to think there's hope in him, and now you're trying to pretend that this is some great conspiracy on my end. Sorry, but you might want to wait until your balls drop before you try entering a pissing contest.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:24 AM   #174
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Yup. Rolling German Suplexes, Moonsaults, Swandive Headbutts, and Overhead Belly-to-Belly Suplexes are the safest moves in all of pro wrestling. Let's not forget that Chris Benoit's not opposed to using the occasional Tombstone Piledriver.
Let it be known that I am not trying to say that Chris Masters is a better worker than Chris Benoit.
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Let it be known that I am not trying to say that Chris Masters is a better worker than Chris Benoit.
You're trying to say something to the effect of, "Of course Chris Benoit or Kurt Angle wouldn't injure anyone, because their most dangerous move is a wristlock."
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:27 AM   #176
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Also, destor, consider this. When he was given a non jobber, when he extended the Masterlock challenge to the back, he Broke Richards' face. They then went back to dark matchers. Doesn't that indicate something?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:30 AM   #177
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Maybe I'm a bit naive in the fact that I trust the WWE to entertain me. They have done so for a vast majority of my life. I made the decision a long time ago that I will not stop watching wrestling as long as it is on TV.

Sure there have been hits and misses, but overall, I think it's been hits. I choose to remain optimistic about their decisions. So while I can be called a "Masters Fanboy", I'd say that I'm just a WWE Fanatic. No matter what shit they throw in my face, I'll take it. It's in my heart.

I dunno.
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It has happened twice in an unfortunate coincedence. I wouldn't call that regularly. And still, he's pretty new to the game. Given the experience, I think he can work out the kinks in working stiff without injuring.

It all goes back to giving him a chance. I will agree that his push is premature, but it seems that people are just looking for reasons to hate him because of it. For a brawler, I honestly don't think he's bad in the ring. He makes it look believeable, even when he's not actually smashing somebody's face in.
When Richards is getting injured more frequently than he did in ECW, something's amiss. And if he didn't look sloppy in the ring, I could chalk it up to coincidence. but he looks like a bucket of shit in the ring, and so I can't help but feel lack of ring ability+injuiries=/=coincidence.
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You're trying to say something to the effect of, "Of course Chris Benoit or Kurt Angle wouldn't injure anyone, because their most dangerous move is a wristlock."
I was comparing techincal wrestling to brawling. I only said the names Benoit and Angle because those were the names mentioned. Benoit and Angle are standouts of techincal wrestling, but take your run of the mill technical wrestler, and...well, I think you see what I mean.
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Maybe I'm a bit naive in the fact that I trust the WWE to entertain me. They have done so for a vast majority of my life. I made the decision a long time ago that I will not stop watching wrestling as long as it is on TV.

Sure there have been hits and misses, but overall, I think it's been hits. I choose to remain optimistic about their decisions. So while I can be called a "Masters Fanboy", I'd say that I'm just a WWE Fanatic. No matter what shit they throw in my face, I'll take it. It's in my heart.

I dunno.
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Maybe I'm a bit naive in the fact that I trust the WWE to entertain me. They have done so for a vast majority of my life. I made the decision a long time ago that I will not stop watching wrestling as long as it is on TV.

Sure there have been hits and misses, but overall, I think it's been hits. I choose to remain optimistic about their decisions. So while I can be called a "Masters Fanboy", I'd say that I'm just a WWE Fanatic. No matter what shit they throw in my face, I'll take it. It's in my heart.

I dunno.
That's horribly sad.

I mean, I was seriously respecting your right to an opinion until you said that.

Not the part about trusting the WWE to entertain you, but the extent to which you will go to let them entertain you.
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Remember The Goon?
I do. And while he wasn't entertaining at the time, he's good for a laugh today.

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Old 08-24-2005, 11:33 AM   #183
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I was comparing techincal wrestling to brawling. I only said the names Benoit and Angle because those were the names mentioned. Benoit and Angle are standouts of techincal wrestling, but take your run of the mill technical wrestler, and...well, I think you see what I mean.
So how about the other names I mentioned?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:33 AM   #184
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I was comparing techincal wrestling to brawling. I only said the names Benoit and Angle because those were the names mentioned. Benoit and Angle are standouts of techincal wrestling, but take your run of the mill technical wrestler, and...well, I think you see what I mean.
And they still perform a wide variety of dangerous maneuvers, if allowed to and not told all they can do is punch, kick, and use an armbar. I think with the way the WWE is lately, they should ban Masters from using any offense. It's just not worth the risk.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:33 AM   #185
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That's horribly sad.

I mean, I was seriously respecting your right to an opinion until you said that.

Not the part about trusting the WWE to entertain you, but the extent to which you will go to let them entertain you.
It's like a drug, man. And at 35 bucks a month, that's not a bad price.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:34 AM   #186
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So how about the other names I mentioned?
What names? Again, I haven't read all of this thread.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:35 AM   #187
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And they still perform a wide variety of dangerous maneuvers, if allowed to and not told all they can do is punch, kick, and use an armbar. I think with the way the WWE is lately, they should ban Masters from using any offense. It's just not worth the risk.
Fine, I'm wrong. I can deal. Good job.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:35 AM   #188
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What names? Again, I haven't read all of this thread.
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And how many brawlers regularly injure people?

Hogan? Bradshaw (When he's not raping people backstage)? Bikertaker? Foley? Oh wait, they're all luchadores.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:35 AM   #189
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And they still perform a wide variety of dangerous maneuvers, if allowed to and not told all they can do is punch, kick, and use an armbar. I think with the way the WWE is lately, they should ban Masters from using any offense. It's just not worth the risk.
Yeah, Benoit is capable of running with some pretty dangerous offense with little risk to his partner.

Masters' offense IS dangerous offense.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:37 AM   #190
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Fine, I'm wrong. I can deal. Good job.
It's alright, holmes. We all have bad judgment at one time or another.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:37 AM   #191
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He made it clear that he considered them luchadores.
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What names? Again, I haven't read all of this thread.
You.

Replied.

To.

The Post.

In which.

I.

Name.

Names.

Not only didn't you read the entire thread, but you didn't read the whole psot to which you replied?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:38 AM   #193
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You.

Replied.

To.

The Post.

In which.

I.

Name.

Names.

Not only didn't you read the entire thread, but you didn't read the whole psot to which you replied?
They sure don't make forum posters like they used to, huh?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:39 AM   #194
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No, I thought he meant you said something about other techincal wrestlers. I remember that post, and I already said I was wrong. What else would you like?
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:40 AM   #195
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No, I thought he meant you said something about other techincal wrestlers. I remember that post, and I already said I was wrong. What else would you like?
Can I get a gold medal and a million dollars, tax free? Hey, you asked.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:42 AM   #196
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No. I can not provide that.

Easy enough.
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Old 08-24-2005, 11:44 AM   #197
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If he hadn't been such a bad performer, I would have No problem saying he was good (See also, John Bradshaw Layfield). This is part of yoru little net fan conpiracy you cling to when someone says something you don't like.

The problem is, he's bad in ring. He's bad on the mic. He gets no fan reaction. The only problem I have in saying he might be good is that I'm not a fan of LYING. I know you're desperately trying to show me up and prove you are the bigger man, but if you have to make up lies about me, you've already lost.

Yo've also lied about your statement (Oh, I've never praised him, I only said give him a chance despite actually saying he had potential and thus was going places) and stance, you've failed to come up with one positive reason to think there's hope in him, and now you're trying to pretend that this is some great conspiracy on my end. Sorry, but you might want to wait until your balls drop before you try entering a pissing contest.
This isnt about me coming up with reasons to like him, thats reatrded. I fail to see why you have to have a reason not to hate some one. Dont you have to earn hatred? Theres a mentality that your clearly void of, "give respect untiul given a reason to take it away."
You have made this is about you being right. You havent given me a reason to dislike the guy, other than your opinion thats hes sloppy and he cuts bad proms. I dont see you doing any better. I spent all day aurguing with in an effort to to get you to say, well MAYBE.
I dont want to change your opinion, I just want to you to consider mine as I have yours. Your like aurguing with a brick wall. And since your so hell bent on me giving something positive, Hes got a prety neat full nelson.
Explain to me (please!) why do I have to have reason to not dislike the guy? It doesnt make sense? Is this an internet thing? Your not allowed to like a guy you just met? Im not sittn here glorifying Masters, im simply saying that hes not as bad as you all say (which is an opinion by the way) and that you should give him a chance. Which if you already hate him there is no way that you have. If this HBK fued doesnt pan out (considering HBK can carry Hogan) I will admit he sux, but its just to soon.
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Fine, I'm wrong. I can deal. Good job.
Why bitch out like that? You were actually making good points...
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.but its just to soon.

yes. too soon.
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Old 08-24-2005, 12:00 PM   #200
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Why bitch out like that? You were actually making good points...
Not "bitching out" about Masters in general. Just admitting that I made a faulty point when I said that brawling is more dangerous than techincal wrestling. Fact is, it's ALL dangerous.

I still think Chris Masters is the man.
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