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Old 07-12-2011, 02:05 PM   #201
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Also, I am humbled that my name was on the front of the RAW thread. My 15 minutes of fame.
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Old 07-12-2011, 02:16 PM   #202
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Y'know what I find interesting about this whole Punk angle...

Vince's lawyers and Punk's lawyers both use the same black folders for their contracts.
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Old 07-12-2011, 06:10 PM   #203
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To the people who are saying the ending segment was good until Cena came out, do you mean the fact that it was Cena or was there something wrong with Cena's promo?

I didn't see any problem with it and Cena needed to be there at the end. There was no other way to ended it.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:17 PM   #204
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[COLOR="Blue"]It was great until Cena came out. Again, none of this "CeNA sUXX! lololol1111!" stuff. I honestly thought Cena's part spoiled the "flow" of the segment. Though, when Cena came out and bitched that Punk and Vince were acting like children, he went ahead and did a childish impression of them acting like children.
Not to mention Cena's whole spiel on CM Punk about to walk out on the fans who support him. It is Cena stopping Vince signing CM Punk on a new long term contract by cutting that very promo.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:21 PM   #205
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I've taken annual leave to watch MiTB. Normally it's only WM and the Royal Rumble I do that for, but I'm very keen for this. Plus it gives me an excuse to drink a beer at 10am in the morning.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:41 PM   #206
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To the people who are saying the ending segment was good until Cena came out, do you mean the fact that it was Cena or was there something wrong with Cena's promo?

I didn't see any problem with it and Cena needed to be there at the end. There was no other way to ended it.
My problem with it was just the fact that in the beginning he came out and did his little childish comedy stuff. The whole "You, no you, no you, no you." thing he did just seemed REALLY out of place, unnecessary, and the crowd wasn't into it at all. Besides that, he was good the rest of the time.
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Old 07-12-2011, 07:57 PM   #207
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Hi, I'm Malfeitor. Nice to meet you. I said that because I've been reading these boards for a good four years, and there was always some good discussions going on. Just seemed to go downhill lately.
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Old 07-12-2011, 11:14 PM   #208
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:59 AM   #209
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Two people now have mentioned Vince stopping and supposedly pointing to a Zack Ryder sign during his entrance.

BUT he wasn't doing that at all.

He was interacting with the dude dressed up like Hulk Hogan who was right beside the sign.

Just wishful thinking on some people's part that it was the Zack Ryder sign.
It was the Zack Ryder sign. He was asking the fan "How did we not confiscate this?"
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:26 AM   #210
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My problem with it was just the fact that in the beginning he came out and did his little childish comedy stuff. The whole "You, no you, no you, no you." thing he did just seemed REALLY out of place, unnecessary, and the crowd wasn't into it at all. Besides that, he was good the rest of the time.
Heh. People ate it up when Rock did it before Mania.
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Old 07-13-2011, 04:07 AM   #211
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Heh. People ate it up when Rock did it before Mania.
Right, but then you had 3 people who act like that anyway in Rock, Cena and The Miz, with The Rock being the master of that type of delivery. Having Cena come out and open with that stuff in a fairly serious discussion makes it out of place.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:23 AM   #212
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Also lol John Cena, idol and role model to millions of children all over the world, punching a man in the face for calling him a 'New York Yankee'.
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:19 AM   #213
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To the people who are saying the ending segment was good until Cena came out, do you mean the fact that it was Cena or was there something wrong with Cena's promo?

I didn't see any problem with it and Cena needed to be there at the end. There was no other way to ended it.
Gotta agree with this one. I was originally going to reply and say "You didn't need Cena to end the segment", but fuck, you really did. It's not like it's CM Punk v.s. VKM, you want the opponent (and top guy) in the last segment in the last week before the ppv.

It would have been good to focus on Cena a little bit more imo, considering a stipulation of the match is that he gets fired. With Punk mentioning the previous time it happened (or didn't), and not a hell a lot of focus on it, what was the point of having the stipulation anyway? If Punk wins, the shock will be focused on the title leaving the company, not Cena.

Pointless stipulation in terms of the storyline development and build-up
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:22 AM   #214
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Cena was fine after he got his comedy routine out of the way. The comedy felt forced and out of place.
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Or worse case scenario, MiTB winner cashes in on Punk after he wins, and then the focus DOES go on Cena... weak sauce, very weak sauce.

And I don't want to sound ungrateful, because this is a fantastic storyline and great TV, I just hope they don't Nexus it.
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Old 07-13-2011, 10:34 AM   #216
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Right, but then you had 3 people who act like that anyway in Rock, Cena and The Miz, with The Rock being the master of that type of delivery. Having Cena come out and open with that stuff in a fairly serious discussion makes it out of place.
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:14 AM   #217
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Pointless stipulation in terms of the storyline development and build-up
Given this storyline is playing around with the IWC, I think its to add to the shock when Punk wins, no-one expects Cena to be fired.

But I do have a horrible feeling that the reason Vince think's Cena can't win is becuase he is going to screw Cena on Sunday.
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:17 AM   #218
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this is a fantastic storyline and great TV, I just hope they don't Nexus it.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:28 PM   #219
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My roommate had an interesting observation that could play into how this whole angle goes down. During the promo there were two contracts out in the ring, one of which CM Punk had already signed. It could be spun that during all of the confusion, CM Punk grabbed the wrong contract and tore up the one that didn't have his signature.

CM Punk goes onto win the match this Sunday only to have Vince come out and reveil that he signed "the" contract, in effect forcing Punk to stay on. This could setup for a Punk/McMahon fued that could slowly build Punk up as an anti-hero similar to Austin.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:30 PM   #220
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That's actually a great observation that I've not heard yet. It could absolutely come into play.
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:54 PM   #221
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Oh snap. I think that's the finish.
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It was the Zack Ryder sign. He was asking the fan "How did we not confiscate this?"
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Call me crazy, but something tells me, with the subtle things the IWC has been given during this feud, and the use of the Rocks name in several of the promos leading up, that The Rock may somehow show up and get involved as a swerve to get Cena fired. Maybe I'm just throwin shit out there at this point.
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Call me crazy, but something tells me, with the subtle things the IWC has been given during this feud, and the use of the Rocks name in several of the promos leading up, that The Rock may somehow show up and get involved as a swerve to get Cena fired. Maybe I'm just throwin shit out there at this point.
Certainly would rule it out but I was thinking they would have held out for something like this for Summerslam there's enough intrigue in the match as there needs to be espically with MITB possibly getting cashed in.
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No.
Though, if he was pointing at the Zack Ryder sign (which he isn't), his titantron in the back works perfectly.
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Old 07-13-2011, 01:46 PM   #226
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I feel that if The Rock were going to be at the PPV, they would advertise it beforehand.
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Hence, why it would be a swerve. I mean, they've already built this thing up mammoth and anyone who's gonna tune in is gonna tune in. It'd be even bigger to have the Rock show up.
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It's not going to happen, Shadrick. Just stop it.
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My roommate had an interesting observation that could play into how this whole angle goes down. During the promo there were two contracts out in the ring, one of which CM Punk had already signed. It could be spun that during all of the confusion, CM Punk grabbed the wrong contract and tore up the one that didn't have his signature.

CM Punk goes onto win the match this Sunday only to have Vince come out and reveil that he signed "the" contract, in effect forcing Punk to stay on. This could setup for a Punk/McMahon fued that could slowly build Punk up as an anti-hero similar to Austin.
As much as that's a fantastic idea, I just watched the whole segment again and Vince does keep a hold of Punk's contract during the time Cena is in the ring, but when Punk leaves the ring, he steals it back from Vince. So if that is indeed how the angle goes down, they're going to have a tough time showing how the mix-up happened.

I thought maybe because Vince was offscreen for a long time that the mix-up could have happened then, but Vince's contract was lying in the same position when Punk left the ring as it was when Punk tipped over the table.

So Vince's contract hadn't been touched.
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just watched the last segment, outstanding. Entertaining, unpredictable, "close to the bone" etc. Haven't seen much credit for Cena in here, he was bang on form/ more than equal to Punk in that segment only in a smaller dose. Be interesting to see how they play it out. All signs point to Punk not going anywhere, everything else is "up in the air", they've got the unpredictability factor right up. Crowd should be red hot come the PPV.
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just watched the last segment, outstanding. Entertaining, unpredictable, "close to the bone" etc. Haven't seen much credit for Cena in here, he was bang on form/ more than equal to Punk in that segment only in a smaller dose. Be interesting to see how they play it out. All signs point to Punk not going anywhere, everything else is "up in the air", they've got the unpredictability factor right up. Crowd should be red hot come the PPV.
Cena indeed was very good. I think it shows what he can do against another talented wrestler in a well written feud. Cena, Punk and to a lesser extent VKM were all on form on Raw, and they didn't play into independent heel or face roles, they played a great shade of grey. You'd be hard pressed to say Cena is a heel in this situation though, but VKM and Punk can go either way based on their next moves...
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As much as that's a fantastic idea, I just watched the whole segment again and Vince does keep a hold of Punk's contract during the time Cena is in the ring, but when Punk leaves the ring, he steals it back from Vince. So if that is indeed how the angle goes down, they're going to have a tough time showing how the mix-up happened.

I thought maybe because Vince was offscreen for a long time that the mix-up could have happened then, but Vince's contract was lying in the same position when Punk left the ring as it was when Punk tipped over the table.

So Vince's contract hadn't been touched.
Your implying logic when it comes to the WWE...The WWE writers could say the sky is red and "expect" that the crowd believes it.
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...he was definitely pointing to Hogan, not the Ryder sign.

...which kind of sums up Zack Ryder: "So close, yet so far". Within Vince's eyesight, but completely ignored LOL.
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I remember being surprisingly entertained by that Cena/Guerrero Parking Lot Brawl.
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I was, too, up until that Chavo interference bit. Thought Eddie could've easily defeated Cena for the title cleanly.
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Hey, I didn't have to post those vids, ya know. Just nobody else had, so I did it to be nice. You should be grateful.
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Well I'm not. Anybody could have found those videos if they wanted to. You act like you have some super special YouTube password that nobody else can use.
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