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Old 06-23-2020, 01:28 AM   #1
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He admits to Hot Tub Parties. He admits to being a swinger (which I am going to need a shit barrel of brain bleach for). He denies the allegations. And... I think that's the reason why I believe him. He admits to so much crazy shit he has done (up to and including threatening to kill people), that why would he lie on this?
Funny this is a new revelation for folks. He's alluded to as much in the past, along with being more inclined in the direction of leather & lace with not only his tastes in women (example: notice how much he puts over Rhea Ripley's look. It ain't just because she's "unique" in the business sense - lt lines up with other quips he's made about his tastes in "rats" way back when; veering well away from the teeny boppers and soccer moms and more towards the "scary" ones who would prob'ly stop just short of putting cigarettes out on him).
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Old 06-23-2020, 11:28 AM   #2
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He admits to Hot Tub Parties. He admits to being a swinger (which I am going to need a shit barrel of brain bleach for). He denies the allegations. And... I think that's the reason why I believe him. He admits to so much crazy shit he has done (up to and including threatening to kill people), that why would he lie on this?
He also said he has talked to the guy the messages were actually sent to and he had no problem with any of it. That would be a pretty easy thing to call bullshit on if it’s actual bullshit.
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Old 06-23-2020, 01:44 PM   #3
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He also said he has talked to the guy the messages were actually sent to and he had no problem with any of it. That would be a pretty easy thing to call bullshit on if it’s actual bullshit.



This was the thing that swayed me most.

He was too confident in his rebuttals and you can't be that confident if you didn't reach out to the guy involved.

Sounds like it was an amateur scam artist.
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Mm... I like Jim and he's innocent until proven guilty. But I listened to a bit of him on the matter, and he immediately relied on discrediting the people and just really petty things to prove he didn't do any coercing.

I hope he's proven innocent in all this shit, but his side of the story isn't all that exonerating in nature.
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Mm... I like Jim and he's innocent until proven guilty. But I listened to a bit of him on the matter, and he immediately relied on discrediting the people and just really petty things to prove he didn't do any coercing.

I hope he's proven innocent in all this shit, but his side of the story isn't all that exonerating in nature.
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Semantics. If it goes any further, I hope it's proven without a doubt that he's innocent of any wrongdoing.

But he's innocent until proven guilty because nothing has happened to him. And, if anything does happen to him, it should only be the result of due process and a proper investigation.

Really that simple, smart guy.
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Semantics. If it goes any further, I hope it's proven without a doubt that he's innocent of any wrongdoing.

But he's innocent until proven guilty because nothing has happened to him. And, if anything does happen to him, it should only be the result of due process and a proper investigation.

Really that simple, smart guy.
its a fundamental contradiction at its most basic level. If you are presumed innocent you require no proof to further it. Its assumed. You are by default 100% factually innocent.



This is one of those instances where you have a cognitive dissonance and you will refuse to be introspective on your own thought process. Perhaps you mispoke? Thats an easier scape goat.
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its a fundamental contradiction at its most basic level. If you are presumed innocent you require no proof to further it. Its assumed. You are by default 100% factually innocent.



This is one of those instances where you have a cognitive dissonance and you will refuse to be introspective on your own thought process. Perhaps you mispoke? Thats an easier scape goat.
Lol oh god. I didn't misspeak. I'm just not being literal, you fuck.

Dude deserves a fair trial during which I hope he's proven innocent and exonerated. Also, I'm aware he doesn't have to prove his innocence to not be found guilty. Regardless, I still hope all the claims are disproven. But me, being someone with my own brain and ability to think, has my doubts. Just because I have those doubts doesn't mean I think he should be burned at the stake.
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Old 06-22-2020, 04:36 PM   #9
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Mm... I like Jim and he's innocent until proven guilty. But I listened to a bit of him on the matter, and he immediately relied on discrediting the people and just really petty things to prove he didn't do any coercing.

I hope he's proven innocent in all this shit, but his side of the story isn't all that exonerating in nature.
I mean, except for the part where the timeline doesn't match up, sure.
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Everyone could be lying.

Everyone probably is to some degree over the Corny stuff.
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Old 06-22-2020, 04:41 PM   #12
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"Still getting heat after 40 years"

That's definitely a Cornette response to allegations of sexual abuse.
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"Still getting heat after 40 years"

That's definitely a Cornette response to allegations of sexual abuse.
He was talking about his untreated gonorrhea
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Naw. Triple A is dead on. The more we playcate to absolute fucking psycho nutcases who comb the internet for anybody saying no no words, the worse it will get.
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Naw. Triple A is dead on. The more we playcate to absolute fucking psycho nutcases who comb the internet for anybody saying no no words, the worse it will get.
i agree with the anti AAA crowd. Mob rule is the way to go. The angriest person is right. Accusation is truth.
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i agree with the anti AAA crowd. Mob rule is the way to go. The angriest person is right. Accusation is truth.
I've always said that if you're cool when something happens like this to somebody then you'd have to be alright with it happening to yourself. I'm willing to bet at least half of the people that cheer this shit on would shit bricks if it happened to them. It isn't implausible for somebody that has posted here since they were a teenager, for instance, to suddenly gain some public notoriety. Somebody with 50k posts has surely said something fucking retarded at some point.
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I've always said that if you're cool when something happens like this to somebody then you'd have to be alright with it happening to yourself. I'm willing to bet at least half of the people that cheer this shit on would shit bricks if it happened to them. It isn't implausible for somebody that has posted here since they were a teenager, for instance, to suddenly gain some public notoriety. Somebody with 50k posts has surely said something fucking retarded at some point.
"Being okay" with it and understanding it are two different things. I don't think Sammy Guevara deserves to be fired for some moronic shit he said when he was 22. And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's a relatively upstanding young man.

But I understand why his firing might happen. I'm not big on cancel culture, but surely Sammy is responsible for his own actions.

This is the free market y'all love so much. It could benefit AEW to cut ties, so that's what they might do. It might not be worth the headache to them.
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"Being okay" with it and understanding it are two different things. I don't think Sammy Guevara deserves to be fired for some moronic shit he said when he was 22. And I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he's a relatively upstanding young man.

But I understand why his firing might happen. I'm not big on cancel culture, but surely Sammy is responsible for his own actions.

This is the free market y'all love so much. It could benefit AEW to cut ties, so that's what they might do. It might not be worth the headache to them.
I dont even understand it. I understand that companies need to keep a certain image but I will never understand validating complete fucking losers that comb the internet for controversy. It doesn't help anybody. Like if a current scandal arises surrounding an employee, they have to address it. This idea though that if someone writes something on a blog/social media post years ago that doesn't gel with current society, that the person needs to be hunted down and purged, that's some dystopian science fiction bizarre world shit. Like, how can anybody be alright living in a world like that? It's an impossible standard to live up to and it just creates a scenario where anybody can be taken down at any time. It's creepy.
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I dont even understand it. I understand that companies need to keep a certain image but I will never understand validating complete fucking losers that comb the internet for controversy. It doesn't help anybody. Like if a current scandal arises surrounding an employee, they have to address it. This idea though that if someone writes something on a blog/social media post years ago that doesn't gel with current society, that the person needs to be hunted down and purged, that's some dystopian science fiction bizarre world shit. Like, how can anybody be alright living in a world like that? It's an impossible standard to live up to and it just creates a scenario where anybody can be taken down at any time. It's creepy.
It is wrong to a degree, but it's collateral damage over other, bigger issues.

Also, I've said some questionable shit in my days. And I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure even at my dumbest, that I didn't go on a public forum and start making rape jokes. I mean Jesus christ that's dumb.

I might have, in which case, color me a moron. But I have to think I was never that flagrantly stupid. Then again, I've said some fucked up shiznit on the wrestling forum that's pretty mean to people. So god knows how that would be construed.
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According to the many worlds theory, there exists universes where Cornette had a lawyer run through his statements before his podcast.

I imagine that, in all of them, the lawyer said something to effect of "Okay, say absolutely none of this."

So I can only assume this is his lawyer:
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It would be one thing if Sammy made a threat or was insinuating violence in some way. He was clearly joking. It wasn't a particularly tasteful joke but it was obvious to anybody watching that he clearly was not serious.
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Sasha Banks and nobody else would have ever heard of this random podcast interview from 4 years ago... Seems more harmful to suddenly make it go viral in an attempt to get someone in trouble
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Its also important there is no path to redemption. We should label them irredeemable scum and black list them from any meaningful existence.
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And the older it is the better. People can never change. The person they were is all they will ever be. Forever.
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And the older it is the better. People can never change. The person they were is all they will ever be. Forever.
Snide and pompous as ever, I see.
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Cornette's podcast is fucking wild...

Corny just openly talking about his wife's ass pictures and their open marriage.

"Groomed by Manscape"

He seems pretty confident, no hint of any fear.
Hopefully it is just a load of shit.
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I think Sasha accepting his apology was enough. But if the company felt the need to take action, that's the way to do it
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Cornette calling everybody “marks” whilst also claiming his name has been dropped in all this shit because he has “legit heat” GTFOH
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The problem w/ cancel culture is it will come for everyone at some point....Live long enough to die a hero or see yourself become the villain


Everyone, absolutely everyone, has said or done something stupid/offensive/cruel at some point. I went to high school w/ people who dropped the f word daily and now are very Pro-LGBTQ. People change, people grow. It's not instant.


If you cancel everyone for everything no one gets to change or grow. Twitter, in particular, does not separate when it comes to people saying offensive/dumb things and committing horrible things, like assault/abuse. Cancel culture wants them all gone.

Hold people accountable for what they say - but do NOT crucify people for crimes they didn't commit.
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I was like “what’s the link between saying ‘fuck’ and being pro-LGBTQ?”
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Old 06-22-2020, 06:12 PM   #32
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People also clearly get off on canceling people, which is a big issue.

Literally, the moment something "cancel-worth" happens, some of the replies on Twitter are bonechilling. They def get off on the power.
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It's about context and audience.

Also getting caught saying it out loud is way worse.
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Plus you didn't say it to a woman and you're 4'11" so nobody felt threatened.

In fact at your height you could have been serious and it would have been even funnier.
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Plus you didn't say it to a woman and you're 4'11" so nobody felt threatened.

In fact at your height you could have been serious and it would have been even funnier.
LOL I am 6 foot 2 you son of a bitch.
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The issue with Sammy was he was just stupid.

He couldn't just say he thinks Sasha is hot and he would like to sleep with her, no he had to make it so much worse with rape.

That said, bravo to Sasha for taking the time and educating Sammy, and then commenting publically, using her voice for change.
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lol I'm pretty sure I was arguing in favor of being harder on potential sex offenders in that conversation, you son of a bitch.
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Yeah that's the best part.

One rape joke to stop a thousand.
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Heroes work.
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In honor of dales joke i went to youtube and listened to 10 min of norm macdonald telling rape jokes
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