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Old 08-21-2004, 08:11 PM   #201
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That was the Man City player, and he no-showed a full year or so before Ferdinand, under a different FA administration.

Ferdinand was unlucky in that Palios made an example of him. I felt it was unfair on Ferdinand in that regard, that he may have been punished more because of who he was.
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Old 08-21-2004, 08:11 PM   #202
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Lance raced in Sydney 2000, but I guess that doesn't count because he passed the drug tests, whereas it is just pure speculation, and he had legitimate reason to skip it. You can have your opinion though.
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Old 08-21-2004, 08:12 PM   #203
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I've heard they are like that after football matches. You hear a lot of stories from footballers who want to celebrate with the rest of the team but can't because they have to give a sample and they don't need a piss.
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The general move is to have a standard drugs policy across all sports.
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Yeah, his legit reason was he would have failed the GH tests now.
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I would think that drugs are being banned in most sports due to body harm more than performance enhancement. Yeah something like long distance cycling a drug could make a lot of difference, but if you're good at soccer you're good at soccer. So it would be hard to determine an overall standard for all sports.
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I've heard they are like that after football matches. You hear a lot of stories from footballers who want to celebrate with the rest of the team but can't because they have to give a sample and they don't need a piss.
Robbie Keane after his last minute equaliser against Germany at WC 2002. Had to give a piss sample, but he was dehydrated.
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Any drug that helps build muscle or endurance should be banned and most are.

Any illegal substances found on athletes should be treated in the same way. And they are.
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If it doesn't hurt your body, why shouldn't a soccer player be allowed to take it? If everybody is allowed to take it, its not a problem.
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I would think that drugs are being banned in most sports due to body harm more than performance enhancement. Yeah something like long distance cycling a drug could make a lot of difference, but if you're good at soccer you're good at soccer. So it would be hard to determine an overall standard for all sports.
Considering strength, endurance and speed are a huge part of soccer, performance enhancing drugs can make a huge difference.
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Especially at the Olympics. In my view it's celebrating what "man" can do at sports through hard work and determination not what some twat in a lab can conjure up.
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Sports should be about skill and natural ability - not about who has the best pharmacist.
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What about shit like Whey Protien? Do you think that should be illegal?
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What about shit like Whey Protien? Do you think that should be illegal?
Why would it be? Are you trying to be stupid in the vain hope of making some kind of point?
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I'm convinced most these Athletes are all on some shit. I mean every fk'n event there seems to be a record broken. That swimmer Phelps. He's on something, I just know it. I wish there was some kind of machine that everybody has to step through right before the event, and I mean like 10 seconds before and it will go off if you have any kind of drug in your system.
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Exactly.
I said pretty much the same thing

The whole damn thing is a popularity contest, fuck you all
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If you try to take away any performance inhancing substance, you are just fighting a battle you can't win because people are forever going to be able to find shit thats better than the last and that is less and less detectable. I too would rather see who is the best naturally, but the only simple way to deal with it is to allow everybody to use the same things, because obviously any athlete takes things to restore their muscles, or else they wouldn't be able to do what they do.
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I'm convinced most these Athletes are all on some shit. I mean every fk'n event there seems to be a record broken. That swimmer Phelps. He's on something, I just know it. I wish there was some kind of machine that everybody has to step through right before the event, and I mean like 10 seconds before and it will go off if you have any kind of drug in your system.
Better training methods, better equipment etc.

You've got to remember that these Olympics are held four years apart, that's quite a long time in terms of progress that can be made.
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If you try to take away any performance inhancing substance, you are just fighting a battle you can't win because people are forever going to be able to find shit thats better than the last and that is less and less detectable. I too would rather see who is the best naturally, but the only simple way to deal with it is to allow everybody to use the same things, because obviously any athlete takes things to restore their muscles, or else they wouldn't be able to do what they do.
Cheaters always get found out, the Olympic games is famous for it.
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Why would it be? Are you trying to be stupid in the vain hope of making some kind of point?
Do you even know what Whey Protien is or does? Apparantly not, because it enhances muscle production and recovery with no negative side effects. So yes, its giving an advantage to the guys who take it, do you think it should be illegal for enhancing performance?
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Whats in the modern pentathalon again? I looked at it once and it just looked like 5 rediculously different events, like swimming, shooting, wiping your ass, typing, and checkers or something.
Swimming, Shooting, Horse Back Riding, Fencing and then Running all in the same day.
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Phelps has an incredible body for swimming, which going along with natural talent makes him good. Swimmers break world records all the time, with his body I wouldn't think he would need to dope to break records.
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If you try to take away any performance inhancing substance, you are just fighting a battle you can't win because people are forever going to be able to find shit thats better than the last and that is less and less detectable. I too would rather see who is the best naturally, but the only simple way to deal with it is to allow everybody to use the same things, because obviously any athlete takes things to restore their muscles, or else they wouldn't be able to do what they do.
That's bullshit. That's giving in to drug cheats. It shouldn't happen. People wouldn't get to use the same things, only the athletes who train in countries with effective scientific R and D who can keep them ahead of the competition. Then it becomes a race to see who has the best pharmacologist, not the best athletes.

There is a difference between performance enhancers and food supplements, also. Protein is not a drug. A drug is something which artificially alters your physiology, either acting to by-pass biochemical control or to suppress normal physiological processes.
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Everything that enhances anything should be banned. Just go with what you got, that's all. I played competitive sports for 17 years and never once did I take any kind of kind of supplement. I didn't even drink any of those protein shakes, that so many people love to drink over here.
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Do you even know what Whey Protien is or does? Apparantly not, because it enhances muscle production and recovery with no negative side effects. So yes, its giving an advantage to the guys who take it, do you think it should be illegal for enhancing performance?
It's protein, you dickhead, not a fucking drug. It's something people consume every day, only in a concentrated form.
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Phelps has an incredible body for swimming, which going along with natural talent makes him good. Swimmers break world records all the time, with his body I wouldn't think he would need to dope to break records.
They said the same about Ben Johnson.
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Swimming, Shooting, Horse Back Riding, Fencing and then Running all in the same day.
For fuck's sake Hero, you're like a broken record.

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Do you even know what Whey Protien is or does? Apparantly not, because it enhances muscle production and recovery with no negative side effects. So yes, its giving an advantage to the guys who take it, do you think it should be illegal for enhancing performance?
It's protein, you dickhead, not a fucking drug. It's something people consume every day, only in a concentrated form.
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If you try to take away any performance inhancing substance, you are just fighting a battle you can't win because people are forever going to be able to find shit thats better than the last and that is less and less detectable. I too would rather see who is the best naturally, but the only simple way to deal with it is to allow everybody to use the same things, because obviously any athlete takes things to restore their muscles, or else they wouldn't be able to do what they do.
So if I decide I don't want to abuse my body with drugs, if my own fault if I can't win gold medals?

Stupid statement dude.
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Cheaters always get found out, the Olympic games is famous for it.
How come they never found Carl Lewis out?
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Because he's American.
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Old 08-21-2004, 09:18 PM   #235
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They said the same about Ben Johnson.

Being incredibly buff and ripped is quite different from height and wingspan, but nice try.
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So if I decide I don't want to abuse my body with drugs, if my own fault if I can't win gold medals?

Stupid statement dude.
Thats not what I said, I said that if it doesn't hurt your body in anyway then it is just extra work to keep it illegal. I never said anything about keeping harmful drugs legal.
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Johnson had the right physique for sprinting and enhanced it with drugs.
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Thats not what I said, I said that if it doesn't hurt your body in anyway then it is just extra work to keep it illegal. I never said anything about keeping harmful drugs legal.
What? Reread what you wrote man. The only thing you said you would get out were muscle relaxants.
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