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Old 02-16-2004, 11:33 PM   #201
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:34 PM   #202
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Eddie and Kurt is not nearly as marketable as the triple threat though, so I don't think they should be the main event.

But I think everyone already knows that Eddie Kurt will be the show stealer.


In fact, I am going to be dissapointed if this isn't the MOTY.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:35 PM   #203
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Hahah, now that I look back at Cynick's post, I believe that was sarcasm. Well played.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:35 PM   #204
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CyNick said something about a Matt Hardy segment, and how they are not misusing him on RAW, so maybe he was just being sarcastic and i was too stupid to realize it?
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Well, lets use WrestleMania XI as an example of good and bad here. I HATED that Shawn Michaels vs. Deisal was not the Main Event of WrestleMania XI because Shawn won the Rumble so his Title Chance should be the main focus. But it wasn't. Bam Bam Bigalow vs. Lawrence Taylor was the Main Event. Well if we are bending rules here to allow Triple Threat matches, why not bend a few more rules and let the WWE Title Match be the final match. Besides, if you are going to argue about the idea of Benoit vs. Michaels vs. Triple being more "over" as terms of excitment of the 2 title matches, just think back to WrestleMania X-8 when The Rock facing Hogan was the big draw, and Jericho/HHH was still the last match. I say WWE put Eddie vs. Kurt last, some T&A 2nd to last, and the Triple Threat match 3rd from last. But that just how I would do it.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:40 PM   #206
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Eddie vs Kurt is not going to be as over as the triple threat. Kurt is just not that big of a draw...
And you can't compare to WMX8, Hogan Rock is like the biggest match ever from a drawing standpoint, and the HHH/Y2J match was booked horribly and built up badly before that.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:40 PM   #207
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I like the idea, minus the T&A. I really don't want to watch that when I'm watching wrestling, maybe Molly vs Victoria, or Molly vs Jazz, but no pointless T&A.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:43 PM   #208
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I like the idea, minus the T&A. I really don't want to watch that when I'm watching wrestling, maybe Molly vs Victoria, or Molly vs Jazz, but no pointless T&A.
Hey man, believe me, I HATE T&A in wrestling. However we all KNOW it is going to be there. So why not put it in between the big two matches and give everyone who likes it a chance to wank, while all real wrestling fans go take a piss break and pop some more popcorn.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:45 PM   #209
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I would have Kurt/Eddie 4th to last, Taker/Kane 3rd to last, Brock/Goldberg 2nd to last, and Triple Threat last.

for these reasons...
Kurt/Eddie is going to be an awesome match and will be nearly impossible to follow. So since Kane/Taker and Brock/Goldberg is more about the hype of the match happening, and isn't expected to be a classic 5 star match they should follow the Kurt/Eddie match which will be so hard to follow from a wrestling standpoint.
After seeing possibly fair or good matches from these two, the Triple threat main event will have a better chance to look good, and will be easier to get the crowd hyped up for the main event after what will be a very long nearly 5 hour show.

damn that didn't make any sense but oh well....
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:46 PM   #210
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Hey man, believe me, I HATE T&A in wrestling. However we all KNOW it is going to be there. So why not put it in between the big two matches and give everyone who likes it a chance to wank, while all real wrestling fans go take a piss break and pop some more popcorn.
True. I just kinda think it's a shame that like either Victoria or Jazz wouldn't get a title shot, and hate the idea Jackie Gayda/Stacey vs Sable/Torrie would get higher on the card then them.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:46 PM   #211
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CyNick said something about a Matt Hardy segment, and how they are not misusing him on RAW, so maybe he was just being sarcastic and i was too stupid to realize it?
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:47 PM   #212
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Benoit, HHH, HBK, Angle, are all equal in terms of draws, in that they really dont draw much of anything. Eddie could be in there as well, but the NWO numbers haven't come out yet, so we'll see.

I dont think either title match will be as much of a draw on PPV as the Kane-Taker or Goldberg-Lesnar matches will be, so by the logic of being a draw, one of those matches should go on last.

Taker will be winning his match, and the fans seem really into that whole deal, so I could see the theory in putting them on last.

Goldberg-Lesnar will likely also involve Austin, so thats 3 huge names in the ring, which would be a good way to cap off Mania. Especially if Goldberg eats a Stunner after the match.

The Triple Threat will likely be a good match, and if Benoit is winning, well that would be a nice finish to Mania.

And then Eddie-Angle will likely be the MOTN, so obviously that would be a great finish to Mania.

Its a tough call.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:51 PM   #213
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I would have Kurt/Eddie 4th to last, Taker/Kane 3rd to last, Brock/Goldberg 2nd to last, and Triple Threat last.

for these reasons...
Kurt/Eddie is going to be an awesome match and will be nearly impossible to follow. So since Kane/Taker and Brock/Goldberg is more about the hype of the match happening, and isn't expected to be a classic 5 star match they should follow the Kurt/Eddie match which will be so hard to follow from a wrestling standpoint.
After seeing possibly fair or good matches from these two, the Triple threat main event will have a better chance to look good, and will be easier to get the crowd hyped up for the main event after what will be a very long nearly 5 hour show.

damn that didn't make any sense but oh well....
I think it would make more sense to balance out the matches.

So, you have one of the RAW vs SD matches, then a title match (which both look like good matches), then the other RAW vs SD match, followed by the remaining title match. Or do it the other way aorund and start with one of the title matches, and then go to a RAW vs SD match. That way you get a good match then a big hype match and so on. I think thats easier to handle for the fans.
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Old 02-16-2004, 11:56 PM   #214
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I think it would make more sense to balance out the matches.
Like you know what you're talking about CyNick....
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Sorry but NO WAY Undertaker vs. Kane will be the last match. I just can't see it happening like that. I want the WWE Title match to be last, but I will be VERY mad if one of the title matches dosn't cap off the show.
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:05 AM   #216
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Sorry but NO WAY Undertaker vs. Kane will be the last match. I just can't see it happening like that. I want the WWE Title match to be last, but I will be VERY mad if one of the title matches dosn't cap off the show.


Well, I don't know if theres NO WAY, anything can happen in the WWE... But I don't want it to happen. Should be a title match.
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:22 AM   #217
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Wouldn't it be funny if Undertaker no sold a Kane chokeslam then tombstoned him for the win in under 2 minutes like the Warrior did to HHH. Haha good times.
It would be funny if they would actually just show that match in a wrestlemania replay, but Im sure HHH has had every single copy of that match burned in ashes.

The triple threat will probably be last, Im sure Benoit will win it, then probably lose it very soon.
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:25 AM   #218
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They have shown the Triple H vs. Warrior recap already...

And as for Benoit winning the title...um...is Triple H dying?
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:26 AM   #219
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They have shown the Triple H vs. Warrior recap already...

And as for Benoit winning the title...um...is Triple H dying?
Yes. (Putting on a ski mask)
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:26 AM   #220
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****, it should be Triple H versus Chris Benoit for the World Heavyweight Championship at Wrestle Mania XX in the main event. Triple H should to the job, cleanly in the middle of the ring; either 1-2-3 or he should tap out!!! Without the one on one match Chris Benoit's reign is flawed in my opinion. Thus he will never properly get a chance to prove himself to the world. And thus, Triple H will come back after a month or two and bury Chris Benoit and his title reign...
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The way I see it, WM should end on a happy note.

That said, if the Triple Threat Match goes last, Benoit will win. If it's Eddie vs Angle, Eddie will win.
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:31 AM   #222
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This is the way I see the card.

World title match

HHH VS Benoit VS HBK

wwe title

Eddie VS Angle

U.S Title

Big Show VS Cena

Cruiserweight battle Royal for the #1 contendership

Foley/Rock VS Orton/Batista/Flair

Jericho VS Christian.Winner gets Trish.

Kane VS Taker.

Sable/Torrie VS Stacy/Miss Jackie

Lesner VS Goldberg

Most of those matches if not all of them have a very good chance of happening.I would also have the winner of the battle royal to face Chavo later in the show for the Cruiserweight title.And Have RVD/Booker defend the tag titles.
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:31 AM   #223
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OK...seriously, where is this idea that Benoit is winning comming from? Remember last year when Booker T was just about to break out and become HUGE, he had momentume, charisma, and could have easily taken the Title from Triple H at Mania last year. Triple H will retain. Bottom line. This is not be bashing on Trips saying he has all this backstage stock and is terrible, it is just be being realistic. Triple H bested Scott Steiner, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels...Chris Benoit is not going to take that title from him.
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OK...seriously, where is this idea that Benoit is winning comming from? Remember last year when Booker T was just about to break out and become HUGE, he had momentume, charisma, and could have easily taken the Title from Triple H at Mania last year. Triple H will retain. Bottom line. This is not be bashing on Trips saying he has all this backstage stock and is terrible, it is just be being realistic. Triple H bested Scott Steiner, Booker T, Kevin Nash, Shawn Michaels...Chris Benoit is not going to take that title from him.

Shut the hell up already!!!!!!!
You don't know what you're talking about! HHH is gonna drop the title for a couple of reasons, (whether its at WMXX or Backlash might be in question I'll admit)
He's going to be leaving this spring/summer to film movies for the WWE.
He's going to be willing to drop the title that way he can get it back and boost his number of title wins. I'm sure he can't wait to beat Ric Flair's record of title reigns...


Damn, sorry but I'm sick and tired of people bitching about how "HHH is gonna screw us over cuz he did it last year!"

I'll main event Wrestlemania! you see me you're outta luck.....

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Shut the hell up already!!!!!!!
You don't know what you're talking about! HHH is gonna drop the title for a couple of reasons, (whether its at WMXX or Backlash might be in question I'll admit)
He's going to be leaving this spring/summer to film movies for the WWE.
He's going to be willing to drop the title that way he can get it back and boost his number of title wins. I'm sure he can't wait to beat Ric Flair's record of title reigns...


Damn, sorry but I'm sick and tired of people bitching about how "HHH is gonna screw us over cuz he did it last year!"
Actually if you read my post, I commented about how this wasn't bitching about Triple H's backstage pull, it is just based off of the fact that Triple H isn't going to drop the title at WrestleMania to Chris Benoit. My bet, Edge comes and does a program with him, and at Judgement Day drops the title to Edge, goes and does his films, and returns to win the title back from whoever.
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Well, He has said that he's going to do the films in spring, so thats around the time of WMXX or Backlash. I know you said you weren't bitching about his backstage pull, but thats the way you came off listing the names of the people he's beaten for the title.
And Benoit has had lots of rumours going around that he was in line for a huge push, (as did Eddie Geurrero, and look at him) I know Booker was rumoured to get the title too. But I don't remember him being as heavily rumoured as Benoit is now, plus Backlash being in Edmonton is pretty much perfect place to have Benoit as champ, either retaining or winning the title.

I really see Benoit getting it now, and Edge kinda having to work back up a little bit before he is pushed to the title.

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Old 02-17-2004, 01:14 AM   #228
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And what do you mean based off of the fact that HHH isn't going to drop the title at Wrestlemania? There's no fact in that statement... HHH has won enough times at Mania that Losing this won't hurt his credibility or his ego even.
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Why would Edge come back and almost immediately get the World Title? He wasn't even a main eventer before he got hurt and he'd have to be built up.

On the other hand, they did it with Hardcore, so....
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Why would Edge come back and almost immediately get the World Title? He wasn't even a main eventer before he got hurt and he'd have to be built up.

On the other hand, they did it with Hardcore, so....
WRONG Right before edge got hurt he was standing next in lline for the title. I still dont think sticking him with the title si right at the moment, but he was getting a huge push and probably will continue to do so once he come back and gains credibility again
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The fan in all of us wants to say Benoit will walk away with the title, but logic states otherwise.
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The fan in all of us wants to say Benoit will walk away with the title, but logic states otherwise.
Logic stated Eddie Guerrero wouldn't ever get the title either....

I'll main event Wrestlemania! you see me you're outta luck.....

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Logic stated Eddie Guerrero wouldn't ever get the title either....
If he was on RAW, he wouldn't have.
Benoit lost to HBK last night. He's been on RAW for 3 weeks, and is already jobbing to the Kliq. Keep in mind, on SD, he hadn't lost a match since at least mid October (not including the match with Brock, because that actually made him look tougher for not giving up). Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but I don't think Benoit will win the title at Mania. Sad, but true. The main reason he is going to RAW is to help Orton and Batista come along. He might get the title for a month or two, but it won't be too long before Trips comes back and beats Benoit for the title, and Benoit just becomes the next Jericho.
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Well, Raw, has been dominated by HHH as we all know. To the point that it's annoying I'll admit. But Smackdown title scene has been all Kurt and Brock for over like the past year and a half (not counting Big Show's Reign which was pretty much just in order to set up the Angle/Brock fued) Both Shows have been stale in the title scene for ahwile. It really does seem that the WWE realizes this. I mean, shows have been getting better lately, people that are being built up are actually being built up to look strong. I know that Benoit lost last night, but he did look really strong the entire show. I was really pissed at first when the Kliq ended the show on top. But it was still a really strong show, and a REALLY awesome match until the ending. HBK didn't look like he was better than Benoit by any means. And Benoit was at least able to get the Crossface on HHH for awhile. Benoit still has alot of momentum going for him, and he was getting cheered while HBK got booed alot. I'll agree that Benoit might not have the title for more than like 3 or 4 months. But he has been built up way better than Jericho was during his reign, so it's not fair to say he'll be the next Jericho. I don't think that Benoit is gonna be fed to Orton on this title reign because Orton might be busy with Foley until Backlash ( Foley's rumored to have the tag match with Evolution teaming with Rock at Mania, and then a singles match would make alot of sense at Backlash) So after that, I think that Orton will have a lengthy run with the IC title. Benoit might be midcard by SummerSlam or Survivor Series but, I still think that he gets the title within a month or two. I'll admit that I am trying to remain positive and have faith that WWE will do the right thing and give Benoit the title. I'm kinda ignoring the part of me that is saying HHH will be selfish again. Sorry this is hard to read but I forgot about using paragraphs...

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Old 02-17-2004, 11:02 AM   #235
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Gonna watch RAW bye ppl. Be back if something good happens.
See why the hell do you make all the fuss about making these threads when you don't even want to stay around and get involved in them anyway? It's just you wanting to be "the one who started the raw thread" because you think it will make you popular. Twat.
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Old 02-17-2004, 11:36 AM   #236
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Well I'ma take a little time to speak on this thing.

First Raw... sucked. the main event seemed to just absolutely drag to me and I fell asleep through some of it.

It was nice seein victoria though... anyway I've seen better Raw shows. But the Kane thing with Undertaker was done differntly this time...I liked that.

Now as far as WMXX goes... I'm not all hot about the idea of their bein a triple threat match. It really takes away form Benoit's royal Rumble victory. I don't care about the fact that it's Shawn Michaels that's gonna be in it. It could be Bret or Austin- hypothetically speakin, doin it and I still would not like it. The fact is is that the guy worked his freakin butt off from #1 and lasted over an hour in that ring. He deserves the spotlight. It is his turn to shine and shine alone. Not to have to share the spotlight with HBK- no matter how much of a legend he is or is to be. I have the upmost respect for HBK and what he has done for the business but still this is Benoit's time. For years he has been denied the recognition he so deserved. Now they finally are about to give it to him and they stick him in a triple threat match with HHH and HBK for the title. I am tired of seein HBK vs. HHH.

When there was a Royal Rumble winner, how many of them had to have a triple threat match for the title? Wrestlemania 2000 is a whole nother story though. It was messed up, but anyway This is almost like screwin over Benoit and his time to really shine. I say let it be 1 on 1 and stick Shawn somewhere else.
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Old 02-17-2004, 12:36 PM   #237
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Kinda makes sense what the WWE is trying to do to Benoit. Week after week, he's getting beaten' up, screwed over, etc. Which means when he wins, he won't look like the most credible champion. That way they can have him job straight to Hunter at Backlash...
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Old 02-17-2004, 02:23 PM   #238
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I am now not going to watch Wrestlemania XX cause of that stupid ****ing Triple Threat main event. Way to go Vince! Good Booking!
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Old 02-17-2004, 02:57 PM   #239
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I am now not going to watch Wrestlemania XX cause of that stupid ****ing Triple Threat main event. Way to go Vince! Good Booking!
Well, this isn't that bad of an idea, and from the way things are shaping up, you are going to miss one hell of a show. Eddie vs. Angle alone is enough to make me wanna see it.

And SuperSlim, I can't believe you didn't like the main event. Even besides the finish, I thought it was terrific. And so did about everyone else who was watching it. Just seeing Benoit put HBK in the sharpshooter was enough to make it worth watching to me. But i geuss everyone has different tastes in wrestling?

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Old 02-17-2004, 03:12 PM   #240
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Your loss, dude. I'm not crazy about the idea but there is no way in hell I am not ordering this guy.
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