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Old 12-04-2007, 10:05 AM   #201
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Thought it looked good on Umanga. I think when he hits Orton with it, it'll look awesome.

What about his selling of the RKo with the twisted body effect at the end. Jericho is excellence.
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Old 12-04-2007, 10:51 AM   #202
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'Noid, 'Noid, 'Noid....Yes, you're thick.

See, the problem is, you are making up my arguments. And yes, you're making those claims even after evidence to the contrary has been delivered. Saying I "do this all the time" is pointless, too. You're wrong. You're attributing things to me which weren't said and ignoring what was said. That's making things up. You live in a fairy tale world.

You're also a hypocrite. The "You don't know me" shit is rich from someone who keeps making cracks about my own life. By the way, I know you're too stupid to get this, but I wasn't attacking your sex life, I was mocking the fact that you brought it up. In either sense, you opened the door by pretending you've ever had sex in your life. But really, to talk about how I haven't accomplished anything and such in the same argument where you're trumping the fact that I don't know you shows how stupid you are. The fact is, you don't know me any better than I know you. That door swings both ways, and you were the one desperate enough to make those cracks first.

So....How much of a worthless sack of shit does that make you, Virginoid?
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Old 12-04-2007, 11:22 AM   #203
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Lol, this fued has lasted longer than anything on RAW for the past year, ha!
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Old 12-05-2007, 11:20 AM   #204
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Lol, this fued has lasted longer than anything on RAW for the past year, ha!
What, it's gone on for more than 30 seconds?

BTW, Nielsen's site hasn't updated. Still.
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Old 12-05-2007, 01:22 PM   #205
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Nielsen's new top ten is up, with WWE Raw pulling in hours of 3.1 and 2.9, one up .1 and one down .1 from last week's rankings. The difference in viewers is +77,000 and 47,000, more or less insignificant.

So the debut and first week of active Raw is Jericho have basically remained unchanged from recent weeks.
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Nielsen's new top ten is up, with WWE Raw pulling in hours of 3.1 and 2.9, one up .1 and one down .1 from last week's rankings. The difference in viewers is +77,000 and 47,000, more or less insignificant.

So the debut and first week of active Raw is Jericho have basically remained unchanged from recent weeks.
So all that hype and gay magician's vest lead to keeping the status quo? I would say that makes the hype videos a failure as it didn't change anything. It is a catestrophic failure, it just failed to bring in any extra ratings.
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:11 PM   #207
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So all that hype and gay magician's vest lead to keeping the status quo? I would say that makes the hype videos a failure as it didn't change anything. It is a catestrophic failure, it just failed to bring in any extra ratings.
It really does look like it failed to bring anyone in. Even with the argument that the debut shouldn't be taken as an indicator, because....Well, I'm not sure why we should take that. It wasn't a surprise return, given the "next Monday" bit or whatever it said, and the argument that was used before hand was that it was "obvious" and people couldn't see who else it could be. So assuming both that it was obvious and could only be Jericho, one should assume that people would have tuned in for the explicit debut, if they cared.

But even ignoring that, he debuted, nothing happened to the ratings (Actually, they lost quite a few fans, but not statistically out of the norm for a standard week to week). His first week actually on the show, now that he's debuted, no impact.

And honestly, I'm not surprised. I didn't expect him to hurt or help ratings.

I can see your argument for failure. the idea was to create hype, to create interest, and in effect, to create viewers. Or reclaim viewers, really, but that didn't fit with the other two as nicely. As such, it did fail, as it hasn't really done more than get the usuals to chant "Y2J! Y2J!" Which is great and all, but doesn't really mean much in the long run. And let's face it, the crowd doesn't seem to care much more for his segments than any other segment on Raw.

But whatever. By tomorrow morning, some moron will have drawn the following from this analysis, instead of what I actually said:
  1. I hate Jericho.
  2. I still think Jericho's never returning.
  3. I want Jericho to fail.
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:19 PM   #208
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Also before someone starts arguing what I ment by failure. I'll spell it out. If WWE's goal by spending money on Jericho, producing those promos, and taking up airtime to show said promos and pay for all that hype (which ain't free) was to keep doing around a 3 in ratings and having fairly dead crowds, well then they suceeded and are wasteful with money.

Since no one is going to spend that kind of money not to make an impact, then Jericho's big redubet failed.
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:04 PM   #209
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Also before someone starts arguing what I ment by failure. I'll spell it out. If WWE's goal by spending money on Jericho, producing those promos, and taking up airtime to show said promos and pay for all that hype (which ain't free) was to keep doing around a 3 in ratings and having fairly dead crowds, well then they suceeded and are wasteful with money.

Since no one is going to spend that kind of money not to make an impact, then Jericho's big redubet failed.
And I agree that, by that argument, it can be counted as a failure. It seems like a sensible method of measuring, too.

The only counter argument I can really imagine deals less with it as a success there, and more as a success in terms of getting the existing fans talking. And while I can see that as a measure for success, it seems pointless to put on this song and dance and not expect more people to tune in.
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:11 PM   #210
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I look at the ratings this way, Jericho returning stopped me turning it off for good - so therefore it probably helped keep viewers who were bored stiff. Like me.
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I look at the ratings this way, Jericho returning stopped me turning it off for good - so therefore it probably helped keep viewers who were bored stiff. Like me.
I look at the ratings at face value.

For example, even the "bored stiff" viewers have continued to view. You can say it kept you from tuning out, but I don't know that this is true. Especially with the IW fans who kept threatening to not watch when Jericho kept not showing up and never really tuning out. It's easier to say you've quit, or were going to quit than to do so, it seems.

Bottom line? It might have kept you and other people from tuning out, but statistically, it's not only unlikely, but the number of people to which this might apply would in all probability be statistically insificant.
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Old 12-05-2007, 05:28 PM   #212
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I look at the ratings at face value.

For example, even the "bored stiff" viewers have continued to view. You can say it kept you from tuning out, but I don't know that this is true. Especially with the IW fans who kept threatening to not watch when Jericho kept not showing up and never really tuning out. It's easier to say you've quit, or were going to quit than to do so, it seems.

Bottom line? It might have kept you and other people from tuning out, but statistically, it's not only unlikely, but the number of people to which this might apply would in all probability be statistically insificant.
It's a very good point, and I don't disagree.
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Old 12-06-2007, 01:28 AM   #214
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"According to data compiled by Nielson Media Research this week's edition of WWE Monday Night RAW did a 3.24 cable rating with 4.8 million viewers tuning in."

From the newsboard. Since the ratings are usually a few tenths of a point high, there's actually a decent chance the ratings went down for this week's Raw.

Both hours last week did better than 4.8 million viewers, so at best, they lost over 100,000 viewers. that's assuming the numbers aren't ridiculously high, like usual.
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now that HBK is stuck with Kennedy, the only thing tuning me in is to watch Jericho.
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Week #2 of Chris Jericho's return drew in hours of 2.8 and 2.8, each losing a couple hundred thou in viewers.
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Going against the Pats vs Ravens game on ESPN, which just happens to be the highest rated/watched program in cable television history.

I'm not defending Jericho or WWE here, just pointing out that factor.
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Rating could be effected by the football games and so forth. But the pops still aren't there.
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Rating could be effected by the football games and so forth. But the pops still aren't there.
Ratings could be affected by football games, but they generally aren't.

I mean, I know everyone and their mother here says they flip back and forth between fake shit and real sports, but it doesn't seem to have much of an impact. I'm sorry, and given the 11 rating that the aforementioned game got, this MIGHT be an exception, but generally, it's not a huge deterrent. I dunno. Even during like the World Series and shit, they manage not to take significant hits.

Granted, this isn't exactly the end of WWE, either.
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Sorry, replied to the wrong guy. Anyway, BDC. The funny thing about the pops is a few weeks ago when I asked if the crowds were really that dead, the responses were things like "What did you expect?"

Jericho comes back, and people (And a decent number of them are the same people) start in with this whole "Oh, but the crowd was really wild" shit, which now sounds like people are making excuses for Jericho. So apparently th dead silence for Trips or Kennedy or whoever else is legit, but the dead silence for Jericho is a fucking conspiracy or something.
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You mean "they haven't used Jericho" properly?
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Ratings could be affected by football games, but they generally aren't.
Effected, not affected. Ratings do not (as far as I know) have emotions, so they can not be affected by anything.

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Jericho comes back, and people (And a decent number of them are the same people) start in with this whole "Oh, but the crowd was really wild" shit, which now sounds like people are making excuses for Jericho. So apparently th dead silence for Trips or Kennedy or whoever else is legit, but the dead silence for Jericho is a fucking conspiracy or something.
HHH was got a good pop at the 3 hour Raw, the first time he came out. And was still getting decent pops the 8000 other times he came out. Kennedy on the other hand has fallen flat on his face in recent weeks. He is botch his matches and it turns out when he isn't repeating his name, he isn't all that great on the mic.

The point is, certain people are getting pops. Why isn't Jericho? Because 1) he was never that big to begin with or else he would be rememebered after 2 years. 2) He himself has been lackluster on the mic and in the ring. Plus he is riding on cookie monster's coat tales. 3) WWE fucked up his return...which I'm starting to doubt. WWE is one of the greatest promotion machines ever. We were all in supsence waiting and wondering when he would return. Also, how much of the return was his idea veruses how much was WWE's idea, we may never know. I'm going to say it is Jericho's fault. Jericho is the one out there stinking up the ring with ok matches at best, and lazy promos that are the same forumla from 2 years ago.
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Old 12-12-2007, 11:06 AM   #225
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Trips got legit pops during the Anniversarry show, but hasn't on previous Raws.

Might there be a difference? I think so. Point is, Trips has mostly gotten piped in cheers, and even his recent pops have been lackluster.
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Also, I'm not arguing grammar or diction with someone who frequently writes shit like:

HHH was go a good pop at the 3 hour raw
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Also, I'm not arguing grammar or diction with someone who frequently writes shit like:

HHH was go a good pop at the 3 hour raw
It is a pet peeve of mine when people us affected when they mean effected. And yes, I probably aught to check my own postes.
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I'd care, but "affected" is so commonly used that it's about as correct as a double negative or other anal minutia.
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It is still the wrong word.

It is cause and effect, not cause and affect.
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You mean "they haven't used Jericho" properly?
Not just Jericho, but if you make entertaining tv, chances are people won't stop watching
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It is still the wrong word.

It is cause and effect, not cause and affect.
And I probably should be more careful. Alienoid will come in here and no doubt be confused.

Tell you what. You convince the South to stop using "anymore" improperly and I'll clean up my Effect/Affect.

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Not just Jericho, but if you make entertaining tv, chances are people won't stop watching
Well, yeah, but I figured at this point it was assumed. I mean, it's pretty obvious what's gone wrong here. People just don't care. Live crowds are practically dead, ratings keep going below 3.0, and their solution, until very recently, was "More Cena." And that only changed because he was injured. Now their solution is....Well, I don't know what it is. Book a freshly returned face with no reaction against a mediocre heel with no reaction in a main event match and hope that no reaction+no reaction=reaction?
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And I probably should be more careful. Alienoid will come in here and no doubt be confused.

Tell you what. You convince the South to stop using "anymore" improperly and I'll clean up my Effect/Affect.
1) I'm not sure how they are improperly using "anymore"

2) I already know that is an impossible task.
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Well, yeah, but I figured at this point it was assumed. I mean, it's pretty obvious what's gone wrong here. People just don't care. Live crowds are practically dead, ratings keep going below 3.0, and their solution, until very recently, was "More Cena." And that only changed because he was injured. Now their solution is....Well, I don't know what it is. Book a freshly returned face with no reaction against a mediocre heel with no reaction in a main event match and hope that no reaction+no reaction=reaction?
I noticed that at the show on Monday. I mean walking around I saw Save_Us shirts, Jericho signs, but only my section was really chanting for him. People are happy to just hold up their signs, clap.....and thats really it.

Their solution now is......dunno...looks like......no no......."more HHH until Cena comes back"
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I noticed that at the show on Monday. I mean walking around I saw Save_Us shirts, Jericho signs, but only my section was really chanting for him. People are happy to just hold up their signs, clap.....and thats really it.

Their solution now is......dunno...looks like......no no......."more HHH until Cena comes back"
Mostly because it's not that exciting. Sad as it is to say, there's a reason the crowd's dead most of the time, and there's a reaso nthat extends to Jericho.
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Jericho, Orton, and the monkeys with the typewriters all deserve the blame
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I don't think there's many people who don't deserve blame.
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