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Old 08-21-2004, 09:32 PM   #241
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What? Reread what you wrote man. The only thing you said you would get out were muscle relaxants.
That post was a followup to something earlier, what I was saying was that if you try to get rid of all drugs, harmful or not, you are fighting a losing battle, because there are always new innovative ways to get around the tests. I think that if you focus on the harmful drugs and be more lax on the drugs that don't harm you, it would be a much more effective battle. I probably wrote something poorly up there, but that is what I mean. If it doesn't hurt the body, let it be.
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What could be harmful for one person, might not be for another. And they don't even know all the effects of steroids and HGH yet so how so you call those?

Ban the lot. If it ain't natural then it's wrong.
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Whoo! NZ won their first medal today, go us.
It was a fix, they only put Sheep shearing in the Olympics so that you guys wouldn't cry about not winning any medals.
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Old 08-21-2004, 09:44 PM   #244
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If there was an easy way to do it then I would be all up for it, but it doesn't look like there is a strong line in where to draw this line. I say that just because there is a lot of supplemental shit out there that inhances performance too, and I don't think all of that shit should be banned.
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Spend money finding better drug testing methods. Simple as.
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It was a fix, they only put Sheep shearing in the Olympics so that you guys wouldn't cry about not winning any medals.
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NZ won another medal in the cycling.

Paula Radcliffe. What a fucking waste of space she is. She always fucking bottles it. All the hype and all the bullshit but when it matters she always fucks it up.

Whoever it is who isn't Steve Cram and is commentating can fuck off. Northern cock.
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Also have to stress that no matter how ignorant it sounds and how much shit people on these boards will try and put on me, I'm 100% Anti-American in these games. I'm supporting Britain first and anybody not American second.
LOL yeah sounds pretty ignorant to me. Then again I guess that isn't rare for everyone to go against us?

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I'm convinced most these Athletes are all on some shit. I mean every fk'n event there seems to be a record broken. That swimmer Phelps. He's on something, I just know it. I wish there was some kind of machine that everybody has to step through right before the event, and I mean like 10 seconds before and it will go off if you have any kind of drug in your system.
Seriously, can a guy not be good at what he does anymore? Not stabbing at you, but all I ever hear is this guy is on the stuff. Or that guy is on some drugs. I mean when you look at guys that are huge (such as those 6 or so weightlifters who were busted) it's not hard to recognize drugs are involved...but Michael Phelps?!

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for getting the cheaters out (whether they be American, British, Australian, or what have you), but until they fail the test,
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Thank you Outlaw, I too am sick of people *cough* moonax accusing people of shit with no proof
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QWhat do the following names have in common?

Tim Montgomery, Kelli White, Tori Edwards, C.J.Hunter, Lance Armstrong, Carl Lewis, Christie Gaines, Dennis Mitchell, Calvin Harrison, Regina Jacobs.

That's right. They've all failed drugs tests.

Plenty of evidence to accuse people with.
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Then they should be out of whatever sport they are involved with. To be fair (whether it sounds like I'm ignorant or not) I'm not familiar with 1 or 2 of those names.


But I do remember reading about a lot of those people. C.J. Hunter had the clear with her AT the Sydney games. Her husband at the time also reportedly said he injected her at times and sometimes she injected herself. This all took place during the games.


Mickey Grimes is another US track star to test positive. Jerome Young. Dwain Chambers. John McEwen. Ben Johnson. The list goes on.


Greek track stars Kostas Kederis (defending 200m gold medalist) and Katerina Thanou (defending 100m silver medalists) were mysteriously AWOL for their drug test, which they had done in 2003 and something which is tantamount to admitting guilt as you can be suspended for missing your drug test. Later, they claimed to have turned their cell phones off, and to be in a minor motorcycle accident, which prevented them from showing up at their hearing for missing the test.

LOL right.

(edit - I seriously had no idea Armstrong tested positive. Could I bother you for a link by chance, Moon?)
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Some Irish long distance runner just absolutely lost the rag in an interview with a studio analyst. The analyst was a former sprinter, and the competitor called him a whore.
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Old 08-22-2004, 05:06 PM   #253
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http://sports.yahoo.com/oly/track_fi...v=ap&type=lgns

Hey look, another one. This is why I can't take anything seriously anymore with these Olympics. Every time I go to yahoo the past two weeks or whatever, there's always something about athletes failing drug tests or something related to that.
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Armstrong tested positive for steriods in 1999. He claimed that it was in a cream given to him for piles.

The weightlifting has been a total joke. There have been like 5 positive tests.
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LOL yeah sounds pretty ignorant to me. Then again I guess that isn't rare for everyone to go against us?
Look at the 100m just now. Even Michael Johnson, the best sprinter you ever had didn't want the Americans to win because they are up their own arses.

As for the comment being ignorant:

1 - I already admitted it was

2 - Tell someone who cares i.e. some American because the rest of the world doesn't.
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Well obviously he showed the people the perscription, was cleared, and nobody else cared besides Moonax. Its not rare for there to be a steroid in a perscription drug, a friend of mine who is on full ride to Missouri has been on steroids for most of the summer, whereas some people like Moonax would hold that against him for the rest of his life, the reasonable people of this world understand that there was steroids in the medicine he was perscribed for poison ivy. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing, since you're the only one who seems to notice.
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You forget that Jonathon Vaughters was not allowed to take the same 'medicine' because it would have caused a positive test.
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Well obviously he showed the people the perscription, was cleared, and nobody else cared besides Moonax. Its not rare for there to be a steroid in a perscription drug, a friend of mine who is on full ride to Missouri has been on steroids for most of the summer, whereas some people like Moonax would hold that against him for the rest of his life, the reasonable people of this world understand that there was steroids in the medicine he was perscribed for poison ivy. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing, since you're the only one who seems to notice.
Okay hows this in comparison. There was a British skiier who had his medal taken from him because he failed a drug test. That drug test was failed because Vicks Nasal tubes, which are over the counter normal medicines, are produced with different chemicals in the U.S than they are in the rest of the world. Is that fair?

Athletes on prescriptions are required to inform their respective bodies before competiting. If you don't, you fail. Same rules for everyone.
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Whoever it is who isn't Steve Cram and is commentating can fuck off. Northern cock.
Probably Brendan Frazer if you were watching Distance running.
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Thought Moonie was a bit harsh on Paula myself. Distance running in 38 degree heat has to be tough. She wasn't the only girl to pull out either.

Fraser also sounds like he has a mouth full of marbles when he talks
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I think that radcliffe bottles it. She always does this. Fair enough she is still an amzing runner, but I am not sure she can handle pressure.

I don't think her husband helps. He's a fucking psycho
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Still, she's a great athlete, things just never seem to go right for her for one reason or another.
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I don't think her husband helps. He's a fucking psycho
How does she always bottle it? She is the fastest long distance runner out there and he has won practically every street marathon there is.

As for the pressure, the whole country was on her back saying she was our only gold medal hope period. Dunno if many people could take that. As for the race, you can take she never bottled it. She definately made every attempt to win. She was a fair bit behind at one point and clawed it back well enough to the point where winning wasn't out of the question. She obviously just didn't have enough energy. To stop 4 miles from the finish is hardly a bottle job.
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But this is it. She can win races when there isn't pressure on her, but when there is she seems to go to pot.

I think she is just not as good as we think she is.
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Well the majority of the British public think she is the best in the world. I think her record proves it. One night doesn't make or break you in this sport in my opinion. But that's my opinion.
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Yeah but she sets records and wins races all the time, when it comes to the Olympics she's just got bad luck I guess. Sydney she finished fourth in whatever race she was in. 2002 was her best year I thought, if it was an Olympic year, who knows?
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I'm just thinking of her performances in previous Olympics and also the World Championships (there was that race where she messed up the tactics and her husband wigged out).

Don't get me wrong - I'm not disputing her talent to run fast. I'm just not sure about her ability to 'win the big one'.
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Well the majority of the British public think she is the best in the world. I think her record proves it. One night doesn't make or break you in this sport in my opinion. But that's my opinion.
It hasn't exactly been her best year and a bit as well with illness and injury
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Well obviously he showed the people the perscription, was cleared, and nobody else cared besides Moonax. Its not rare for there to be a steroid in a perscription drug, a friend of mine who is on full ride to Missouri has been on steroids for most of the summer, whereas some people like Moonax would hold that against him for the rest of his life, the reasonable people of this world understand that there was steroids in the medicine he was perscribed for poison ivy. Quit trying to make a big deal out of nothing, since you're the only one who seems to notice.
There is a difference between anti-inflammatory steroids and anabolic steroids.

Athletes are given a list of prescription drugs that they should not use, and can only use with dispensation. I don't think it is an accepted excuse in the Olympics. One failed athlete has already tried it thus far, and had their appeal thrown out.
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I'm just thinking of her performances in previous Olympics and also the World Championships (there was that race where she messed up the tactics and her husband wigged out).

Don't get me wrong - I'm not disputing her talent to run fast. I'm just not sure about her ability to 'win the big one'.
I seem to recall a race when the commentators were going on about her tactics not paying off for her, she either went off too fast or too slow or something and ended up getting out "kicked". Might have been 1999.

It depends what you see as success and failure. For somebody who is labelled as arguably the best British athlete she hasn't done to well on the Olympic stage but I dare say her trophy cabinet takes a while to be fully polished and I'm guessing her London and Chicago records are still in tact. Her time is running out I guess on the Olympic stage, she'll be what, 34 by the time of the next Olympics?
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To be fair, ever since she moved to marathons, he was killing everyone. Apparently, they are saying she might try the 10,000m now. I don't know what to make of that.
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She was 4th in the 10 000 metres in Sydney, she was also the European and Comonwealth champion in 2002 at 10 000 metres.
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Look at the 100m just now. Even Michael Johnson, the best sprinter you ever had didn't want the Americans to win because they are up their own arses.

As for the comment being ignorant:

1 - I already admitted it was

2 - Tell someone who cares i.e. some American because the rest of the world doesn't.
I have admitted in the past that most Americans are up their own backsides. This is nothing new to me Harvey, but thanks for pointing it out. They/we are ALMOST as bad as you being up Lewis' "arse".

I am also glad you don't care that you are ignorant.

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I'm just not sure about her ability to 'win the big one'.
SO she is the Olympic version of the Red Sox?
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Didn't I just say tell someone who cares?
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Okay hows this in comparison. There was a British skiier who had his medal taken from him because he failed a drug test. That drug test was failed because Vicks Nasal tubes, which are over the counter normal medicines, are produced with different chemicals in the U.S than they are in the rest of the world. Is that fair?

Athletes on prescriptions are required to inform their respective bodies before competiting. If you don't, you fail. Same rules for everyone.

I agree that it should be the same for everybody, but the point is that Moonax keeps bringing this up like he was caught cheating, when in reality he was caught doing something that just about any sick person does. He is basically taking things out of context and people here are believing everything he says.
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He was caught taking steriods. You choose to believe his excuse. i don't. Afterall, every rider has saddle sores and yet Armstrong is the only person who uses a cream that gives a positive test for steriods.

I point it out because it demonstrates that Armstrongs claim that 'he has never failed a test' is a lie.
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It was a fix, they only put Sheep shearing in the Olympics so that you guys wouldn't cry about not winning any medals.
They should put in sheep shagging.

Or both. The modern "diathlon" if you will, to find the ultimate Welsh/Kiwi athlete.
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Didn't I just say tell someone who cares?
If you don't care, then why respond?
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What a run by Kelly Holmes in the 800 metres, she was at the back after the first 200 metres.
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