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Old 09-16-2006, 12:27 AM   #3081
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red sox need to win both games tomorrow and twins need to lose

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Old 09-16-2006, 03:09 AM   #3082
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The ESPN headline said Papelbon wants to start next year, but didn't read the article. Probably makes sense, a good starter is probably more valuable than a good closer.
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Old 09-16-2006, 08:54 AM   #3083
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With the way Papelbon pitched this year I don't really see how you don't make him a starter. Do whatever you have to to keep him.
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Old 09-16-2006, 11:32 AM   #3084
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Gonzalez still has some pretty damned good numbers. I hope he continues to play.

( Gonzalez is batting .277 with 15 home runs and 71 RBI this year. )
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Old 09-16-2006, 02:05 PM   #3085
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Yknow I've never heard Gonzo come up in the steroid debate over the years, that season he had in 1999 was something else. I love the guy anyway so i'm not peaved
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Old 09-16-2006, 03:16 PM   #3086
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Yknow I've never heard Gonzo come up in the steroid debate over the years, that season he had in 1999 was something else. I love the guy anyway so i'm not peaved
you mean 2001?
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The year they (he!!!) beat us in WS, thankyou David.

Pretty ridiculous that I like the guy given what he did
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Old 09-16-2006, 07:15 PM   #3088
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Papelbon offically shut it down for the season

Finishes with a .92 ERA...Guess theres a lot of talk of him becoming a starter next season.
The guy is really awesome but I'm not too sure about Papelbon being a starter. I mean if I was a Red Sox fan I would have a little bad feeling about a closer turning into a starter. I can't imagine it working out.Take my team I just can't see Mariano Rivera pitching 6-7 innings. And I can't really picture Papelbon doing it either. Pitching 1-2 innings as a closer is one thing it's a completely different story when they're asked too play 5 or 6 innings.
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Wasn't he normally a starter though?
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Wasn't he normally a starter though?
He was? If he was sorry. I have no idea what he was on the farm team before he joined the Red Sox.
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Old 09-16-2006, 08:11 PM   #3092
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Old 09-16-2006, 08:41 PM   #3094
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I like Oakland in the playoffs against Detroit and Chicago, a series with New York could go either way but I think Minnesota would destroy them. As long as they avoid the Twins they're good.
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Old 09-16-2006, 09:24 PM   #3095
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Yeah Papelbon was a starter before so its all gravy

I still like having a LIGHTS OUT closer after dealing with Foulke (even when he was good he was still giving up like pop outs to the warning track and shit and I cant take that) so they gotta address that sitatution, I bet the Red Sox spend a ton of money this season because the backlash from this medicore finish is definetly going to be big deal.
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there are no worthy free agent closers this off season. Wagner is about it and people state he couldn't handle the Boston scene. I dunno, if a rookie can, why couldn't he? Mind you, he's not the same guy he was 3 or so years ago.
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Starting pitchers out in the bullpen is something that should be done more often. Johan Santana and Francisco Liriano are two good examples, they got their control down in the pen and then were both dominant once coming out as starters. Then you have guys like Matt Garza and Scott Baker who have both stuggled trying to jump up to the majors as starters. It seems like it would make a certain amount of sense for more teams to try that.
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what did you just witness?
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I dunno, what?
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huh?

I would assume if you're asking that question, you just witnessed a very long at bat.
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Yeah like 13 pitches, but I'm sure theres more than that right?
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There was one at bat a long time ago where this guy was really pissed off at his manager and back then I guess the managers had to pay for all the balls that were being used so this guy fouled off like 30 pitches just to make his manager pay
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I saw Matt Clement threw close to 20 pitches in an at-bat to Alex Cora in 2004. Cora hit a solo HR on the 21st pitch (I think).

I would imagine that the record has to be more than that. Maybe around 25-30 in one at bat during a regular season game. Do they even keep that stat?
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I saw Matt Clement threw close to 20 pitches in an at-bat to Alex Cora in 2004. Cora hit a solo HR on the 21st pitch (I think).
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there are no worthy free agent closers this off season. Wagner is about it and people state he couldn't handle the Boston scene. I dunno, if a rookie can, why couldn't he? Mind you, he's not the same guy he was 3 or so years ago.
Gagne is a free agent this year along with these I'm pretty sure of:
Baez
Dotel(who's coming off injury but has closing experience)

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All three of those are pretty risky closers to have.

Gagne could be a good investment if he gets healthy, Baez is just bad and Dotel is coming off surgery like you said.

Dotel has been pretty bad in the limited time he has been able to pitch this year but I think he is just rusty. He needs some innings and hasn't gotten them from Torre, he never gets used really which is a shame because he could have been a big piece of the bullpen this postseason for the Yanks.

Especially with Villone basically dead. Had an ERA under 3 the first 4 months and then August rolled around and the innings caught him to him and he had an ERA of 6.04. He's given up 14 ERs in 4 innings this month as well, I'm pretty sure he is done helping this team this year. I dunno, pretty sure all my posts now turn into rants about the way the Yanks bullpen is managed lol
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Haha @ tonight's lineup:

SS Anderson Hernandez
CF Endy Chavez
LF Lastings Milledge
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1B Michael Tucker
2B Chris Woodward
RF Ricky Ledee
C Mike DiFelice

...the ultimate "starters have hangovers" lineup

yet despite this they are winning
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