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Old 08-08-2005, 04:10 AM   #281
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I wouldnt say the " U " should stick together in a situation like that , but Vilma could have used better judgment and stayed out of it. He'll it was 2 on 1 and they still couldnt fuck with Shockey. Seriously. Shockey may be my favorite player not playing for the Colts. I love his attitude he brings. He's not afraid of no one. He's probaby the only white football player with a decent TD celebration. Shockey is just straight up the man.
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Why? Because he flips out after he touches a pass at the 40 yard line? lol

Jets are about to sign Ty Law, damn, I was hoping he was going to stay out of the AFC East.
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Shockey is so overrated. He's not a top 5 TE and he's not that good of a player. He's just a clown so he gets on tv.
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Damn. So much for my dream of Law signing with Detroit.
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Why? Because he flips out after he touches a pass at the 40 yard line? lol
Precisely. Easily the most exciting TE in the NFL, even if he isn't necessarily the most talented.
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That time when he caught that TD pass over Brian Dawkins head and started talking shit to him before he even hit the ground was good though. I'll give him that
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Shockey is in pretty good shape last time i checked.
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Shockey is so overrated. He's not a top 5 TE and he's not that good of a player. He's just a clown so he gets on tv.

He's not overrated. No one calls him a top 5 tight end. He's had injuries the past 2 season and he played with a rookie QB last season. He's every bit as talented as Todd Heap and Gonzales. If he stays healthy he will be the main target for Manning , because he's big and dependable. Sure he talks shit. Sure he says stupid things, but thats Shockey being Shockey. He's been like that since Hurricane days. Shockey will blow up this year. I think Eli might too.
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No one calls him a top 5 tight end.
Wrong. People talked about him being a top 3 TE all the time. But clearly he isn't. Jason Witten is miles ahead of him and Shockey dreams of throwing blocks like Alge Crumpler.
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Jason Witten has one good year where he's pretty much they're only recieving threat and all of a sudden he's a top tight end? Witten isnt miles ahead of Shockey. The only reason he can be mentioned in the same breath as Shockey is because Shockey has been injured the last 2 years. When Shockey has been healthy in games, he's ripped secondary's apart. Oh yah he can block too. Alge Crumpler is a good blocker, but he's a tight end. He should be a good blocker.
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Pretty good numbers . Especially since in 2004 he was playing injured and with a rookie QB.
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K, and Witten has had 1 out of 2... and his good year was better than anything Shockey has done. More TDs than Shockey's best TD season, and more yards than any season of Shockey's.

We'll see how Witten does this year.
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He had 6 td's. Shockey had 6 td's.
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I meant, same TDs, but he had more yards. And when Shockey had his most yards, Witten had more yards AND more TDs. See what I'm saying. Overall, Witten's season was better than any of Shockey's.
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I dont dispute that at all. I'm saying that Shockey battles injuries and missed 1 game and played with a rookie at qb. That stuff takes its toll on individual numbers. This season will be different. I think he's gunna rip it up.
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I dont dispute that at all. I'm saying that Shockey battles injuries and missed 1 game and played with a rookie at qb. That stuff takes its toll on individual numbers. This season will be different. I think he's gunna rip it up.
Excuses.

Injuries? Better conditioning. Rookie QB? Meet cokehead, and 45 year old backup.

And Witten had to earn his numbers. He was never christened. Shockey was given his catches.

And then, as well, consider draft place. For a 1st-rounder, I'd say Shockey has been something of a disappointment. Good? Yes. Worth his attitude? Fuck no.

This season, we'll see. But then, Cowboys will dominate with a healthy Dallas, Witten, and MARION BARBER III running the ball.
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Inexperienced QB's usually help TE numbers because they are the safety valve. Look at Eric Johnson last year in San Fran.
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I can't stand when people compare players by statistics only, there are plenty of other tangibles to include when you're measuring the value of a player. I'm not going to say Shockey is the best TE, or a top 5, 10 TE etc etc. I know there are guys better with certain aspects of the game and vice versa. I like Shockey and I think he fits well in New York. You don't have to like him, you don't have to think he is good, no one told you to do so.
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Marion Barber III is set up to fail in the NFL, running backs are a dime a dozen now and he's nothing special. One more year could have done him a lot of good, considering the records of Big 10 running backs in the NFL.

I would hardly call Shockey a first round dissapointment either, going into his fourth year he is better then the top tight end for probably 25 of the 30 teams.
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Marion Barber III is set up to fail in the NFL, running backs are a dime a dozen now and he's nothing special. One more year could have done him a lot of good, considering the records of Big 10 running backs in the NFL.

I would hardly call Shockey a first round dissapointment either, going into his fourth year he is better then the top tight end for probably 25 of the 30 teams.
He's not better than Antonio Gates, and when was HE drafted?

Anyway, Barber is a beast. You're a liar and I hope you die. He will follow in the footsteps of Telis Redmon and Thomas Tapeh.
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I can't stand when people compare players by statistics only, there are plenty of other tangibles to include when you're measuring the value of a player. I'm not going to say Shockey is the best TE, or a top 5, 10 TE etc etc. I know there are guys better with certain aspects of the game and vice versa. I like Shockey and I think he fits well in New York. You don't have to like him, you don't have to think he is good, no one told you to do so.

I'm not sure if you meant that towards me or not, but i agree. I like Shockey.
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He's not better than Antonio Gates, and when was HE drafted?

Anyway, Barber is a beast. You're a liar and I hope you die. He will follow in the footsteps of Telis Redmon and Thomas Tapeh.

BCWWF cleary said he was better then the top tight end for probably 25 of the 30 teams.


Gates , Gonzales , Crumpler are all better probably ( until this season ). No one has said Shockey is the best. Seriously Alphabean. Relax.
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I'm not real familiar with the drafting process so maybe someone could answer this for me:

What happens if a draftee holds out and doesn't agree a deal with the club? Do they get left in limbo or what? I understand they want to secure the best deal they can but what happens if the club just refuse and there's a standoff?
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Then I think they re-enter the draft the next year. Or atleast that's what Eli Manning planned on doing if the Chargers kept him
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I think the team can try to trade him or just let him rot on the bench. I don't really know.

I think the player might be able to go to a different league too.
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I'm not sure if you meant that towards me or not, but i agree. I like Shockey.
AlphaBean. I'm a diehard Giants fan and I can't justifiably say Shockey is the best TE in the league or even the best receiving or blocking TE etc etc. I think what he brings to the game is a lot different than that of a Tony G, Gates, Crumpler, Heap which is the ability to incite a fire in his team. That is why I like him and why I think he fits well in New York. He sparks the offense. Too bad he had to deal with injuries last year. I'm looking for him to do much better this year due to the fact we have the addition of Plaxico Burress, Toomer playing the Z and Barber at RB. The only unknown is Eli Manning, if he comes into his own I'm hoping for at least an 8-8 season to build upon. Thats as high as I think we'll go though.
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