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Old 12-02-2015, 12:09 PM   #1
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The CyNick is doing some god-tier level trolling in this thread/forum.
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Old 12-02-2015, 01:22 PM   #3
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The CyNick is doing some god-tier level trolling in this thread/forum.
That may be nonetheless it is fascinating that someone could defend and even love the BS the WWE has churned out.
It's like he's on the payroll to tow the company line.
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Old 12-02-2015, 02:23 PM   #4
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Old 12-02-2015, 03:41 PM   #5
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Why halt R-Truths awesome heel run? He was in a feud with John fucking Cena.
and before you say he was too goofy to be taken as a real threat



Oh man if they had just let him cut lose
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Old 12-22-2015, 02:25 PM   #6
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Why halt R-Truths awesome heel run? He was in a feud with John fucking Cena.
and before you say he was too goofy to be taken as a real threat
Cynick you never answered my question
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Old 12-23-2015, 11:43 AM   #7
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Cynick you never answered my question
I never watched Truth in TNA. Ive said before I only watch the big leagues.

Truth has always seemed like a comedy act. I've never bought him as a serious character. I'll watch those clips this afternoon and give my thoughts.
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Old 12-23-2015, 08:45 PM   #8
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Truth has always seemed like a comedy act. I've never bought him as a serious character. I'll watch those clips this afternoon and give my thoughts.
That's WWEs fault. The dude is super talented and being in WWE has done wonders for his career and has made him welk known but he really could be a great heel. Also would like to see him in ROH joining the House of Truth.
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Old 12-03-2015, 01:55 AM   #10
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lol it's hilarious in the casual forum guys who've read like 3 of the cynick's posts are like "IT'S AMAZING HOW THE WRESTLING FORUM GUYS CAN'T DEAL WITH A GUY NOT THINKING CESARO IS AMAZING" and it's like no, pretty much all of us understand people not being into guys we like. We'll debate about it for days but I feel like we all have a healthy understanding of differing tastes.
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Old 12-03-2015, 04:54 PM   #11
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lol it's hilarious in the casual forum guys who've read like 3 of the cynick's posts are like "IT'S AMAZING HOW THE WRESTLING FORUM GUYS CAN'T DEAL WITH A GUY NOT THINKING CESARO IS AMAZING" and it's like no, pretty much all of us understand people not being into guys we like. We'll debate about it for days but I feel like we all have a healthy understanding of differing tastes.
To play devils advocate, people on here do seem to take their favourites and when they don't get pushed to the moon, they chalk it up to creative bring inept. You rarely hear about the fact that Cesaro has holes in his game.
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To play devils advocate, people on here do seem to take their favourites and when they don't get pushed to the moon, they chalk it up to creative bring inept. You rarely hear about the fact that Cesaro has holes in his game.
I'm gonna do it again,whatever"holes" Cesaro has Roman has a lot more. You said Roman wrestles like a main eventer I just took that to mean "as basic as possible (and he doesn't even do that all that well) Cesaro at least has the wrestling part down and unlike Roman he has gotten over just on that.
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I'm gonna do it again,whatever"holes" Cesaro has Roman has a lot more. You said Roman wrestles like a main eventer I just took that to mean "as basic as possible (and he doesn't even do that all that well) Cesaro at least has the wrestling part down and unlike Roman he has gotten over just on that.
When you hear main event talent talk about putting together a match, they say you only need a few moves that people can identify, and you need a sequence of those moves that can be done with fire during a comeback.

Up until the last couple months, I don't think Cesaro had the right mix of moves to create a proper sequence to finish a match. He also was weak in terms of selling and playing babyface in peril. I think he's gotten better at it, and that's why you saw him getting more focus. But he got hurt so we're back to square one.

So for me the booking made sense, because you want to showcase his power in the ring to help him stand out. But at the same time if you push him hard before he's ready he'll fail

Difference to me with Roman is he has the in ring part of his game more polished. He could still add a move or two, but generally I feel like he's there. His issue is the long promo that top babyfaces traditionally are expected to do. He needs to get comfortable with that aspect or he will ultimately fall as a top face. Cesaro is even further behind Roman in terms of just flat out talking, nevermind cutting a 15 minute promo. Which is ANOTHER strike against Cesaro.

Cesaro reminds me a lot of Davey Boy Smith.
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Old 12-03-2015, 05:52 PM   #14
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When you hear main event talent talk about putting together a match, they say you only need a few moves that people can identify, and you need a sequence of those moves that can be done with fire during a comeback.

Up until the last couple months, I don't think Cesaro had the right mix of moves to create a proper sequence to finish a match. He also was weak in terms of selling and playing babyface in peril. I think he's gotten better at it, and that's why you saw him getting more focus. But he got hurt so we're back to square one.

So for me the booking made sense, because you want to showcase his power in the ring to help him stand out. But at the same time if you push him hard before he's ready he'll fail

Difference to me with Roman is he has the in ring part of his game more polished. He could still add a move or two, but generally I feel like he's there. His issue is the long promo that top babyfaces traditionally are expected to do. He needs to get comfortable with that aspect or he will ultimately fall as a top face. Cesaro is even further behind Roman in terms of just flat out talking, nevermind cutting a 15 minute promo. Which is ANOTHER strike against Cesaro.

Cesaro reminds me a lot of Davey Boy Smith.
Oh and you never answered my R-truth question

as for Cesaro being less polished I'm gonna have to disagree its easy to be polished when there is nothing complicated about your in-ring game as for main-eventers walking through their matches sure they keep it simple but they have more in them Romans moveset isn't kept simple IT IS simple.

Also Dean should totally be in Roman's place if Ambrose was doing this storyline they are pushing with Reigns it would look so much better.
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When you hear main event talent talk about putting together a match, they say you only need a few moves that people can identify, and you need a sequence of those moves that can be done with fire during a comeback.

Up until the last couple months, I don't think Cesaro had the right mix of moves to create a proper sequence to finish a match. He also was weak in terms of selling and playing babyface in peril. I think he's gotten better at it, and that's why you saw him getting more focus. But he got hurt so we're back to square one.

So for me the booking made sense, because you want to showcase his power in the ring to help him stand out. But at the same time if you push him hard before he's ready he'll fail

Difference to me with Roman is he has the in ring part of his game more polished. He could still add a move or two, but generally I feel like he's there. His issue is the long promo that top babyfaces traditionally are expected to do. He needs to get comfortable with that aspect or he will ultimately fall as a top face. Cesaro is even further behind Roman in terms of just flat out talking, nevermind cutting a 15 minute promo. Which is ANOTHER strike against Cesaro.

Cesaro reminds me a lot of Davey Boy Smith.
You're right Roman Reigns is a much better wrestler than Cesaro.
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To play devils advocate, people on here do seem to take their favourites and when they don't get pushed to the moon, they chalk it up to creative bring inept. You rarely hear about the fact that Cesaro has holes in his game.
Most are aware of his holes. Its not that he isn't pushed to the moon's, it's the inconsistancy. He can put guys over no problem, but it has to be done right.
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Most are aware of his holes. Its not that he isn't pushed to the moon's, it's the inconsistancy. He can put guys over no problem, but it has to be done right.
If people were aware of his holes, they would understand how he is booked.
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If people were aware of his holes, they would understand how he is booked.
I understand his one flaw is his mic work, and a simple manager/valet would do the trick for him. Reigns on the other hand has alot more flaws other than mic work (which in my opinion is worse than Cesaro's). He has a cookie cutter moveset and two finishers that have the same set up. I understand both of thems "holes" and dont understand why either of them are in the spot they are in.

Roman could be something if they would let him show some personality. His best promo in WWE was when superstars were impersonating Macho Man. He is very green in the ring and should be climbing through the mid card right now, maybe even holding the IC or US title or even both but i dont feel he is a main even talent at the moment.

Cesaro has all the tools in the ring and has got over simply from his in ring work. He has been in WWE for some time and has a solid fan following. His time with Heyman could have been great had it not been for all the focus being on Brock. His work with the Real Americans was great as well but they stoped any momentum the dude had. He would have been a better choice for the MITB and would be great in a suited heel role.
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If people were aware of his holes, they would understand how he is booked.
Just because he has holes doesn't mean he needs to be booked as an afterthought.

Don't get me wrong, the guy takes his part in featured bouts, but he's "Just another guy" and that is the main issue.

Just because guys aren't world champions or main event guys doesn't mean they need to be essentially put in a spot where they can just be interchangeable with literally anyone else on the roster.

Cesaro needs to get a clean win over a legit talent (Not a world title win, but a "rub" ) and from there, it doesn't mean he goes and wins a championship, it just means he's a guy that it actually means something to feud with, and he can be featured in intense non world title programs, instead of wrestler a facing wrestler b.

You have an incredibly narrow viewpoint on this stuff, or at the very least, assume we all do, which makes you rather insufferable.
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If people were aware of his holes, they would understand how he is booked.
Here is the thing that you are glossing over. With Cesaro the holes are such that they can be easily filled in provided you wish to make the effort to do so, much like they are doing with Reigns right now.

Cesaro would have been a better fit for the Authority rather than Sheamus just based on looks alone. Throw in his ring ability and he can work with pretty much anyone and make them look like a credible threat in the ring. The only reason Sheamus fits is storyline wise he is easier to manipulate, that is it. Sheanus should be the awkward face chasing Cesaro but just coming up short.
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To play devils advocate, people on here do seem to take their favourites and when they don't get pushed to the moon, they chalk it up to creative bring inept. You rarely hear about the fact that Cesaro has holes in his game.
People talk about Cesaro's holes all the time. It doesn't mean he wasn't booked shitty.
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People talk about Cesaro's holes all the time. It doesn't mean he wasn't booked shitty.
He wasn't booked shitty

You do understand is a big deal to just be on RAW every week, right?
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Old 12-03-2015, 02:53 AM   #23
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Old 12-03-2015, 03:18 AM   #24
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I don't think Cesaro is a main event caliber guy either. That's definitely not the problem with CyNick. lol
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Old 12-03-2015, 09:25 AM   #25
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you two had better watch your Nash based words
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:49 AM   #26
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you two had better watch your Nash based words
Out of respect for Big Kev I refrained from bashing him and contributed to the Nashvember thread but,Nashvember is over.
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Old 12-03-2015, 11:51 AM   #27
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Kevin Nash is the greatest man who ever lived. He's nice enough to allow others to win the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Old 12-03-2015, 12:52 PM   #29
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Is Cesaro's sexual orientation keeping him from Main Event status?
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Old 12-04-2015, 01:00 AM   #30
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Is Cesaro's sexual orientation keeping him from Main Event status?
Isn't he bangin' Sara Del Ray on the regular?
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Old 12-03-2015, 01:25 PM   #31
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Old 12-03-2015, 05:40 PM   #32
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But I know, the dirt sheets say he killed WCW, so we gotta all hate him.
We just had a whole month dedicated to the man, but yet we all hate him.
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Old 12-03-2015, 05:43 PM   #33
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We just had a whole month dedicated to the man, but yet we all hate him.
IKR?
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:02 PM   #34
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No he's not.
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Old 12-03-2015, 07:57 PM   #35
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Cesaro I would say is put in featured bouts, but never actually FEATURED in a bout.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:38 PM   #36
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Had they not bungled his post-Mania push, Ceasro could easily have been a cornerstone of the mid-card or viable main event star by now. Pairing him with Heyman as a manager was the best to cover his weakness with promos while having the signature moment from the Battle Royale should have been the start of something bigger.

Instead the WWE squandered both for no real reason. Even when it looked like Ceasro was on track again to be a potential big star, the WWE squashed that too since they didn't have an active hand in it.

Reigns could end up as an absolute failure as a top star but WWE wouldn't care since they could just treat him as another Orton or Batista. Both failed as possible mega stars but kept getting big chances due to their hand picked status. Same for Sheamus and Del Rio being a lot lower than what the WWE wished they'd be as stars.
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:55 AM   #37
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Cynick, another huge problem Roman has is Vince I know you think the guy walks on water but he's just gotten old and ridiculous.
He seems to think that we are all stupid and he doesn't realize that the audience does not consist of a bunch of easily lead rubes like back in the day.(And what Simple Plan said earlier was accurate some people don't give kids enough credit they are smarter than you like to think)
Look at Roman in the rumble and how badly Vince's attempts to manipulate the crowd in to cheering using the Rock failed.(I was so proud of the crowd for that)
He likes to claim he listens to the fans but the truth is his mindset is "You don't like what think you like, I tell you what you like" And in this day and age that just won't fly. Trying to force a relationship with Reigns that fans clearly don't want is doomed to fail.
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:56 AM   #38
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I feel bad for Roman Reigns, because he's certainly not a slouch, he works hard, seems like a genuinely nice guy, but he's been put in a situation where it's more-or-less gonna be impossible to sincerely win over anyone over the age of 12. Pretty much all his angles and storylines since the SHIELD split have been so boring and predictable. It's horrible to watch.
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Old 12-04-2015, 12:58 AM   #39
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Someone said on here recently, and this isn't an exact quote but it seems pretty realistic, something along the lines of "Vince would rather have 2/3 of an arena full with his guy, than a full arena of guys he didn't pick."
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Old 12-04-2015, 10:10 AM   #40
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The only hole in Nash's game was underestimating his drawing power and sticking to arenas. Stadiums wouldn't been more appropriate.
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