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Old 10-13-2005, 12:23 AM   #321
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WTF are you talking about? 3rd string had nothing to do with it. He caught it and the UMP called the guy out twice. It was over turned only when A.J got on the base. There was nothing to be done. They got robbed plain and simple.
A catcher shouldn't rely on the ump's call. The play was close, Pierzynski was standing right next to him, why not tag him?

If Molina (either one) is in there this whole thing wouldn't have happened.
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The Ump called him out twice.
Neither time verbally
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well a catcher that plays everyday would know NOT to throw/roll a ball anywhere until he is SURE what the call is.
Hard to say. That was a fuck up of a play.
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A catcher shouldn't rely on the ump's call. The play was close, Pierzynski was standing right next to him, why not tag him?

If Molina (either one) is in there this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

he should have tagged him no doubt, but if he heard the UMP call him out twice. I could see why he just walked away.
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Neither time verbally

We dont know for sure... yet.

Bad call anyhow. I dont get why he would get overuled. He made the right call . Did the First base UMP overule him?
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Like I said, I'm glad this happened. This series has been stale up until now. Both games have been decided by 1 run, yet the games haven't been inspiring.
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Pierzynski running to first was brilliant.
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Yeha but it's pointless. The Angels just said they are playing under protest right now. No game has ever been overturned and no game ever will
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Old 10-13-2005, 12:36 AM   #331
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The head of the Umps or whatever basically spoke for Doug Eddings and said that he ruled the ball was trapped.

Fuck they dont even know.lol
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Old 10-13-2005, 12:42 AM   #333
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Yah wtf was Washburn thinking.
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But heres my question. If the Umpire makes the geture saying he is out. Does he also have to yell that he is out to make it official? I mean he punched out. At what point is the batter officially out and how many gestures do you have to make to officially call him out? This stuff really needs to be clarified.

Josh Paul should have tagged him.
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I don't think the Astros have the offense to win the series.
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Old 10-13-2005, 01:34 AM   #336
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just got back from the game. wow.

all i can say is... what the fuck was paul thinking? he should of tagged AJ.

thank fucking god he didn't. leave it to the catcher to make that run to first.
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just got back from the game. wow.

all i can say is... what the fuck was paul thinking? he should of tagged AJ.

thank fucking god he didn't. leave it to the catcher to make that run to first.
When a catcher catches the ball on a third strike, he does not need to tag the guy.

Be thankful you got the game handed to you.
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When a catcher catches the ball on a third strike, he does not need to tag the guy.

Be thankful you got the game handed to you.
He needs to tag the guy if there was suspicion that the ball hit the dirt, but obviously it didnt and the catcher saw the 3rd strike call and saw the UMP call him out. Its really messed up. Apparently the Umpires strike call is the same as his out call. Theres no distinction of the 2 so how the fuck does the catcher know? That umpires lack of detail cost the Angels the game and could ultimatley cost them the series.
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Didn't see the game, why was Paul in there?
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Didn't see the game, why was Paul in there?
Josh Paul replaced Jose Melina and Benji was already in the game as DH.
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I think one of the Molina's were pinch hitting. I forget what happend to the other Molina.
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When a catcher catches the ball on a third strike, he does not need to tag the guy.

Be thankful you got the game handed to you.
The catcher needs to tag the batter when it comes to a dropped 3rd strike (or a 3rd strike in the dirt as was this case). Both AJ & Jose Melina were doing that all game long. Paul didn't hear the ump and that was it.

Whether it was in the dirt or not, the ump made the right call. Paul shouldn't of been so quick to toss the ball away when it was that close. Did any of you notice that he wasn't out there arguing the call? Players (especially catchers) try to sell plays all the time. He sold the 3rd strike and it didn't work.

No matter how many times you guys post or comment "the umps blew the game for the Angels", it won't change the fact that the series is now tied at 1.

If the Angels' offense would of hit Buehrle during the game, that call would of never mattered. Oh well.

And if anyone points to that play as the reason the Angels lost the series (if they in fact do), I'll throw this out ahead of time:

GET THE FUCK OVER IT. :foc:
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I think one of the Molina's were pinch hitting. I forget what happend to the other Molina.
Jose was catching & Benji was the DH. Jose was then pinch run for late in the game because they weren't going to take his brother out and lose the DH spot.
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You're only saying that cuz your team got the win. If it was the opposite, you'd be completely pissed off.
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Seriously are there any umps/refs worse than in MLB?

Other than in the CFL I can't think of any, but those guys need second and third jobs to make ends meet.

This isn't like a catcher framing a ball. He rolled it out to the mound because he knew he caught it. Why would he want to fake that when he could easily of tagged him out or threw to first.

In what inning will you see the Angels make fun of this call next game? I'm assuming the first strike out the catcher will touch the player even if it is obvious he caught the ball. Childish, but I can definitely see it happening.
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The catcher needs to tag the batter when it comes to a dropped 3rd strike (or a 3rd strike in the dirt as was this case). Both AJ & Jose Melina were doing that all game long. Paul didn't hear the ump and that was it.

Whether it was in the dirt or not, the ump made the right call. Paul shouldn't of been so quick to toss the ball away when it was that close. Did any of you notice that he wasn't out there arguing the call? Players (especially catchers) try to sell plays all the time. He sold the 3rd strike and it didn't work.
LOL you are so wrong and so blinded by your love for your team. Have you ever played baseball? Catchers do that all the time on a third strike/third out which they catch. He made the right call? Are you fucking kidding me? He sold the 3rd strike? He didn't have to sell it. Get the fuck out of here.
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LOL you are so wrong and so blinded by your love for your team. Have you ever played baseball? Catchers do that all the time on a third strike/third out which they catch. He made the right call? Are you fucking kidding me? He sold the 3rd strike? He didn't have to sell it. Get the fuck out of here.
I was a pitcher for about 12 years so don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
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I saw the replay online, so it was a small screen, but it does look like at the bottom/end the pitch changes direction and goes into the glove in an upward motion then downward, which is what the Ump says he saw.

Now, pitches do dip and rise etc... but that sharp an angle, right off the ground? I doubt it.

I might have seen it bad, will try and catch it on ESPN later.

He says he never called him out, that his signal was a strike signal, same one he always use and used all game.

Dunno... plenty of catchers when it's close tag the batter just in case, Teck does it all the time.
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yea, he definately DID NOT sell the thrid strike. I saw the replay at least 20 times already and that ball did not hit the dirt.
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LOL the umpires for that game have blew this call so bad. They were so indecisive it's not even funny. I can see a call being blown but the name of the game for the UMP is to be 1. decisive and 2. consistent, but he signalled a strike and punched him out and basically the play is dead. AJ was even walking to the dugout but then started running. So he basically changed the call just because he wasn't sure if the catcher caught it or not, which he obviously did. What the hell were the other umpires doing?
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I was a pitcher for about 12 years so don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about.
Well obviously you were a 10th string reliever because if you actually believe what you wrote, then I feel sorry for whoever you played for. If this would have happened to my team I would obviously not be pissed that it happened but I would at least admit that it was a fuck up.
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Old 10-13-2005, 08:01 PM   #352
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LOL the umpires for that game have blew this call so bad. They were so indecisive it's not even funny. I can see a call being blown but the name of the game for the UMP is to be 1. decisive and 2. consistent, but he signalled a strike and punched him out and basically the play is dead. AJ was even walking to the dugout but then started running. So he basically changed the call just because he wasn't sure if the catcher caught it or not, which he obviously did. What the hell were the other umpires doing?
Only thing I'll say is AJ said he ran because he heard a difference Cadence from the UMP then he had heard all game on strike outs, so he figured the ball must have hit the dirt.
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Old 10-13-2005, 10:50 PM   #353
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:05 PM   #354
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Well obviously you were a 10th string reliever because if you actually believe what you wrote, then I feel sorry for whoever you played for. If this would have happened to my team I would obviously not be pissed that it happened but I would at least admit that it was a fuck up.
I was a drafted RP, so there goes your theory on thinking you know me.

And why shouldn't I believe what I wrote? It was a heads up play by AJ to run when he didn't hear himself called out. Yes he saw the sign for the 3rd strike but he was never called out.

The game is fucking over people. Like it or not the series is still tied at 1.

God, if this happened to the Yankees.. Fox might lobby for the game to be replayed.

And for all of you up in arms that the Angels got screwed, go find the audio clip from the Angels' own braodcast team. They didn't bitch and moan, they just called it a "heads up play by AJ".
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What year/round
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Dunno... plenty of catchers when it's close tag the batter just in case, Teck does it all the time.
AJ & Molina did it all game for plays nowhere near as close. Paul fucked up. Even Ryan Sandburg said so...

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...yhoo&type=lgns

Hey Outlaw... Paul didn't try to sell the 3rd strike? Read Sandburg's 3rd paragraph. Did you ever play baseball?
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Old 10-13-2005, 11:48 PM   #358
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lol Ryne Sandberg said it guys, case closed
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