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Old 05-26-2010, 09:59 AM   #1
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5 Reasons It's Still Not Cool to Admit You're a Gamer
http://www.cracked.com/article_18571...ure-gamer.html

Not particularly C&P friendly, so just click the link.

“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.”

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Old 05-26-2010, 10:10 AM   #2
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Yeah just read this at SRK. Aside from a few weak points (all of #5, half of #4, examples of #3, and most of #2) it's an interesting read.

Completely fucking agree with #1. It's something I voiced before many times and it should be an article to itself, imo.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:14 AM   #3
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:21 AM   #4
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Aside from a few weak points (all of #5, half of #4, examples of #3, and most of #2) it's an interesting read.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:23 AM   #5
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It's something I voiced before many times and it should be an article to itself, imo.
and yet, demonstrated that same entitlement when playing pirated games.

I know, I know, it's unfair to call you out on something you fervently voiced. It's especially unfair because it makes you look like a hypocrite because you demonstrate entitlement as you voice your opinions on it.

Though, on the other hand, you are very likely your own best argument for entitlement.
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:29 AM   #7
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and yet, demonstrated that same entitlement when playing pirated games.
Except that's not true. Keep it up, though. It's always amusing equating playing games with supporting pirates. Me never supporting a pirate or downloading a game torrent ever should have a direct bearing on this sort of thing but you (and everybody else who made that foolish argument) would rather shoot in the dark and hope you hit something.

I often wonder what ridiculous line of thought you guys would use if I never said I played my bro's games. Probably something along the lines of, "You do you and we'll do our thing." But the way things turned out was much more telling.

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Yes it was. You were totally all like, "I'm a big man, and I deserve more free video game stuff than I'm entitled too."
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:34 AM   #9
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It's always amusing equating playing games with supporting pirates.
No, playing pirated games with an anti-piracy argument being hypocritical. No wonder you claim my argument is false. You had to lie and alter my argument to get there.

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I often wonder what ridiculous line of thought you guys would use if I never said I played my bro's games.
Probably nothing, because you wouldn't be a massive hypocrite. Funny how that works, despite your conspiracy theories. All it takes to not be called a hypocrite is to not act hypocritically. For example, not enjoying pirated games while decrying the practice.
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Gotta respond to this line, though:

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Though, on the other hand, you are very likely your own best argument for entitlement.
And this is an incredible claim in the face of not even what I say, but people could attest to you pulling shit out of your ass now. I'm legitimately offended here. Deeply even. Whenever possible I support the industry and call out how 'finicky' gamers can be (I'm sure it's easier to ignore, though).

Giving you a completely undeserved benefit of a doubt here, I'd love for you to cite an occurrence that supports this shit. No links or anything, just talk with me here,
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Old 05-26-2010, 10:43 AM   #11
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No, playing pirated games with an anti-piracy argument being hypocritical. No wonder you claim my argument is false. You had to lie and alter my argument to get there.
Education: Playing the games after the facts doesn't strengthen them. Playing the games doesn't support piracy. I've given no money to shillers* and downloaded no games*. Period. What do you think is motivating anti-piracy gestures? I'm seriously asking.

I suppose you can try and say me playing the games dissuades me from purchasing them, but reality rips that apart - I purchased two games recently, both were already around beforehand as a pirated copy (my XBL buds might recognize them).

I do not support piracy*.

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Probably nothing, because you wouldn't be a massive hypocrite.
Yeah right, bub. Pretty much guarantee somebody would've attempted another asinine counter-argument. If I was new around here I may have believed you but fortunately I have this place well scouted.

Seriously it's clockwork.
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Old 05-26-2010, 01:51 PM   #12
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Good article, I agree with 5, mostly with 4, somewhat with
3, definitely with 2 and as for 1:

I fully support the gaming industry and have never once played a pirated game (actually half true, since I downloaded and installed Doom 3 after my disc got scratched to hell, but I had previously bought the game)

While supporting it, I however do not agree with the prices of some games put out. Yeah they are costly, yrah they take time and money to make, I just don't agree with a $70 price tag on a game that has little replay value if any. My recent purchase of red dead redemption was my first opening week purchase since gta4, before that was svr06.

Only because of overwhelming review by you people did I decide to purchase it.
The other two games, both parts of series of games established to be fun and with loads of replay value.

I don't regret those purchases at all, well worth the money.

That's why I don't ever buy sports games, recent trip to EB Games

NHL 10 - $65
09 - $10
08 - $5
07 - $4

02 - $1

I mean look at that, they release a game every year for $70 and the previous one is next to worthless a year or two later.

Another big irk was Modern Warfare 2, it cost $70 to buy, $15 for DLC 1 and will likely be another for DLC 2, totalling $100 for a game that in 5 months will be obsolete.

I may sound cheap, but I like many of you don't have several hundred to spend every month or so on games, especially ones with zero replay value or that will be relaced roughly a year later, asking you to spend another $70 on a game not a lot different from what you bought the year before.

In the future, my planned purchases are:

Next GTA
Crackdown 2
Fable 3

All established games I like, loads of replay and well worth the $70.
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Old 05-26-2010, 02:08 PM   #13
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Old 05-26-2010, 02:17 PM   #14
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Just to provide a bit of insight, my 360 collection.

Red Dead Redemption - $70 - very happy to pay price
Modern Warfare 2 - $70 - very happy to pay, but not for price gouging DLC.
Fable 2 -$12 (pawn shop) - would have paid full price
Crackdown - $10 - (pawn shop) - fun but not great, would have paid $50
Dead Rising - Came with system - $20 or less
GTA4 - Came with system - would have paid full like I did for my PS3 copy when I had it.
Kung fu panda/lego indy Jones - Came with system - $0 would not pay for such dumb games
Mass Effect $7 (pawn shop) - would have paid $40 (not finished though so could be more)
Saints Row 2 - $8 (pawn shop) - $40 for a GTA wannabe would have pushed my limit
Nhl 09 - $10 - Seeing NHL 10 for $55 more on the shelve next to it angered me.
Gears of War (came with system) - $20 for generic shooter

I of course don't set prices, this is merely what I think they are worth to me.
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:36 PM   #15
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Fuck the article. If people ask me if I'm a gamer, and are not cool with people who are, I'll just be like "Hell, yes I am. Is that a problem?"
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Old 05-26-2010, 03:41 PM   #16
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#3 is a crock of shit. I bet they never touched Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age, or any high quality RPG. They are generalizing the plots of those games down to what their gameplay is, not what to story is.

#5 is a crock too. Our generation grew up on video games, and the generations after us are even MORE surrounded by techonogy and games. Sure there is always someone out there, be it male or female, who doesnt play, or lacks interest in it...but i dont think anyone goes 'ew gross' when someone mentions they play games.
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Old 05-26-2010, 04:48 PM   #17
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Fuck the article. If people ask me if I'm a gamer, and are not cool with people who are, I'll just be like "Hell, yes I am. Is that a problem?"
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:47 PM   #24
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LMAO oh my shit. This kid acted like demons were escaping his body. And how the fuck did he go under the blanket and them come out undressed?
Probably because it's fake?
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Old 05-28-2010, 02:51 PM   #25
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Fuck the article. If people ask me if I'm a gamer, and are not cool with people who are, I'll just be like "Hell, yes I am. Is that a problem?"
Well, being that I don't hang out with high schoolers I've never had to say this. Grown adults don't typically judge people based on something as trivial as a hobby.

Unless I suppose the hobby is eating babies or something to that effect. Kane Knight would know better than me.
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Old 05-29-2010, 08:53 AM   #26
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And this is an incredible claim in the face of not even what I say, but people could attest to you pulling shit out of your ass now.
People would be lying, though. Like you. Like the dude who played pirated games, openly admitting it, and couldn't grasp the hypocrisy of the stance against pirated games and tried to defend it.

I completely get why you wouldn't want to be associated with piracy, but in playing the games you inextricably tied yourself because at the very least, you were enjoying those pirated games. It's hard to argue that you're not involved since you were reaping the benefits and chose the moral stance you did.

Yes, it flies in the face of what you say, but not what you did. When someone says something and does another, they're a hypocrite. At that point, falling back on how what you say is different no longer means much.

Is this explicit enough, because I thought it was clear before.

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I'm legitimately offended here. Deeply even.
BDC's offended when he's called a racist. Doesn't mean that there's no grounds for calling him one, since he makes racist talk all the time.

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Whenever possible I support the industry and call out how 'finicky' gamers can be (I'm sure it's easier to ignore, though).
Well, mostly because neither of those change the rest of the time. It's easy enough to make the claim that I'm not focusing on your good qualities, but if you're playing pirated games instead of paying for them and calling other people out on it isn't negated because you opt to go the high road when it's convenient.

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I'd love for you to cite an occurrence that supports this shit.
The one we've been discussing? The one you don't dispute and are trying to now justify, again?

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Education: Playing the games after the facts doesn't strengthen them.
It certainly gives you neither the moral high ground to talk nor any bearing to the idea that you're supporting the industry.


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I suppose you can try and say me playing the games dissuades me from purchasing them, but reality rips that apart
mmmm...token argument.

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Yeah right, bub. Pretty much guarantee somebody would've attempted another asinine counter-argument.
And you'd be wrong. Again.

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I do not support piracy*.
Except when you do. While codemning others. I mean, it's okay when you're playing pirated games, because dammit, you're entitled.

This was fun. It was also fun watching a guy who calls people faggots for not liking the things he does try to zing me for "judging" people's hobbies.
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Old 05-29-2010, 09:17 AM   #27
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#3 is a crock of shit. I bet they never touched Fallout 3, Mass Effect 1 & 2, Dragon Age, or any high quality RPG. They are generalizing the plots of those games down to what their gameplay is, not what to story is.

#5 is a crock too. Our generation grew up on video games, and the generations after us are even MORE surrounded by techonogy and games. Sure there is always someone out there, be it male or female, who doesnt play, or lacks interest in it...but i dont think anyone goes 'ew gross' when someone mentions they play games.
#3: With very, very few exceptions, video game plots are stuck at this level.

Ummm...Yeah. So you listed a few exceptions. They already acknowledged not all games are B movie plots, but hey, ignore that, call it a crock of shit, whatever.

#5: I think you missed the mark entirely. Video games are booming business right now, but just because "everybody does it" doesn't mean that there's no stigma carried along with it. It's not that gamers are a minority, or that the world is technophobic. When they mention the study that 2/3 of gamers are women, that should be an indicator that they're nto saying it's true that all gamers are angry loser virgins.
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Old 05-30-2010, 09:04 AM   #28
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If my problem was people merely playing pirated games you would have a leg to stand on, unfortunately an argument that easy only exists in KK's World. My beef is the industry not getting its due for the content it produces. Hence the emphasis on downloading/shilling content you did not make. Actually playing the games is nigh irrelevant, as you could legally buy a game at Gamestop and trash it right after you leave the store. In this way the industry was supported, but there was no game being played. Conversely, you could rip off the industry by purchasing a copied game or selling copies without playing a damn thing, and play it without supporting piracy.

Don't hurt your head computing that.
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Old 05-30-2010, 11:20 AM   #29
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Old 05-30-2010, 03:36 PM   #30
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Im sorry Kaylx but let me ask, are you actually saying that playing pirated games is not supporting piracy...

If you say that you dont agree with piracy thats all good, but you are supporting it.

- You didnt pay for the game
- The person you got it from (real person or torrent site) likely didnt pay for it
- The publishers of the game didnt get paid for it

That in short is piracy, no matter how you twist your thinking, even if you didnt even pay for the copy and use that as an argument as to not supporting piracy, it still is piracy.

If you dont agree, when you download a movie or a song and play it and enjoy it, is that piracy?

Yes it is, you didnt pay a cent for either, yet you enjoyed the benefits from others hard work yet they received no conpensation for it.

That is stealing or in the media world, its piracy.
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Old 05-30-2010, 04:07 PM   #31
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Im sorry Kaylx but let me ask, are you actually saying that playing pirated games is not supporting piracy...

If you say that you dont agree with piracy thats all good, but you are supporting it.

- You didnt pay for the game
- The person you got it from (real person or torrent site) likely didnt pay for it
- The publishers of the game didnt get paid for it

That in short is piracy, no matter how you twist your thinking, even if you didnt even pay for the copy and use that as an argument as to not supporting piracy, it still is piracy.

If you dont agree, when you download a movie or a song and play it and enjoy it, is that piracy?

Yes it is, you didnt pay a cent for either, yet you enjoyed the benefits from others hard work yet they received no conpensation for it.
They got the exact same compensation as a used game.
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Old 05-30-2010, 04:13 PM   #32
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A used game was actually paid for at one point compared to never having been paid for.

Definitely exactly the same there.
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Old 05-30-2010, 04:28 PM   #33
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Right, but according to your argument, that doesn't matter as you're arguing based on the morality of an individual compensating the designers. Where KK is coming at the hypocrite angle, you're saying that if you don't financially support the company, it's wrong. Or you've just explained your argument slightly terribly.
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Your argument is retarded, so I am not even going to dignify it with a response.
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When you say a publisher received the same compensation from a stolen game and a used game that was previously paid by someone else, you are an idiot.
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I didn't receive a game from anyone, FAngel. Thanks for playing.
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#3: With very, very few exceptions, video game plots are stuck at this level.

Ummm...Yeah. So you listed a few exceptions. They already acknowledged not all games are B movie plots, but hey, ignore that, call it a crock of shit, whatever.
i dont think you read what i said very well. They werent discussing the PLOT of the game at all, they were discussing the GAMEPLAY and calling it the plot.
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I didn't receive a game from anyone, FAngel. Thanks for playing.
So you downloaded it and burned it to disc (or played on your computer) yourself?
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