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Old 06-26-2010, 02:33 PM   #1
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UFC Threatens Ban of TapouT For Fedor Emelianenko Sponsorship
http://www.5thround.com/41458/report...o-sponsorship/

The UFC’s hand is getting stronger and stronger as they apparently forced TapouT to back out of their one year, seven-figure sponsorship of Fedor Emelianenko.

To kick-off the agreement between the MMA clothing pioneer and the Russian heavyweight, TapouT created a shirt for Emelinaneko to wear for “Strikeforce: Fedor vs. Werdum” tonight.

“It was our understanding that the T-shirt was in production,” Fedor’s manager Vadim Finkelchstein told Sherdog.com Friday.

Instead, the clothing company called Fedor’s camp earlier this week and informed them that the deal was off.

“However, at the beginning of this week, we were told by our sponsorship representative that Tapout had received a call from (UFC President) Dana (White), which involved him saying that if Fedor signs a T-shirt deal with Tapout, then Tapout would be out of the UFC,” Finkelchstein explained.

According to M-1’s Global Director of Operations Evgeni Kogan, TapouT officials had assured them when the deal was being reached that there would be no issues with the UFC.

Unfortunately there WAS a problem and the deal went up in smoke as the threat of being banned by the UFC was too much for TapouT to lose.

“He’s used to these kind of fallouts from our friend Dana White, and to be honest, this didn’t come as a surprise (to him),” Finkelchstein said.

Emelianenko also lost out on another million-dollar sponsorship with clothing company RVCA after the UFC had threatened to ban them as well.
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Old 06-26-2010, 02:35 PM   #2
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Dana White has become obsessed with a fighter who isnt even with the UFC, and in his words isn't a top 5 heavyweight. He undermines Fedor's credibilty and accomplishments anytime he can. You'd think he would just let it go.
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There's no way he's going to let this go. Not the way that Dana is, there's no way. Dana tried everything he possibly could to get Fedor into the UFC and what he got were completely unreasonable offers. I think Dana thinks that if they're going to make it hard for Dana to make money off of Fedor, he's going to make it hard for Fedor to make money period.
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That's ridiculous, Fedor got a better deal, Dana White cannot live with that. It eats at him every waking moment.
You know what's unreasonable, payings one half of your main event in one of the years biggest shows 40K to show, and 40k to win. That's what Shane Carwin is getting for 116. I'm sure if the UFC's offer was that great, it would have been taken.
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Back to the endorsement rant. TapouT is the BIGGEST provider of sponsorship money (bigger than even Affliction) for MMA. He bans TapouT, that's ALOT of money getting taken out of the pockets of ALOT of fighters.
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i kind of wish they didnt back out... just to see what happens
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I would like to see Dana in the cage.
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That's ridiculous, Fedor got a better deal, Dana White cannot live with that. It eats at him every waking moment.
You know what's unreasonable, payings one half of your main event in one of the years biggest shows 40K to show, and 40k to win. That's what Shane Carwin is getting for 116. I'm sure if the UFC's offer was that great, it would have been taken.
I don't know the specifics of the deal that he got but didn't Fedor's agent basically say that UFC would not get Fedor unless they decided to co-promote with M1? That seems more than unreasonable.
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Like I said, maybe that was their initial offer, but if the money was good enough, and better than Strikeforces, I'm guessing they would have made the deal.

Expecting to hold a monopoly over MMA is unreasonable.
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Fucking hate Dana White. He gets butt hurt easier than a 5 year old. Fucking little girl.
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Anytime he becomes somewhat tolerable, he does something like this.
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UFC is just asking for an anti-trust lawsuit. They should maybe take note of the NFL and other major sports leagues.
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Like I said, maybe that was their initial offer, but if the money was good enough, and better than Strikeforces, I'm guessing they would have made the deal.

Expecting to hold a monopoly over MMA is unreasonable.
This is such a ridiculous argument though. Why would Dana White try to make it easier for his competition to succeed? He's not being some evil son of a bitch, he's being a businessman (admittedly though, sometimes the two aren't far off from each other.)

What it probably comes down to is that Fedor wouldn't agree to terms with the UFC, even though Dana feels that he did everything necessary to get him there. Now Dana is being unreasonable in response. Childish? Yeah. Can he get away with it with little to no backlash? Yeah.
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Dana is an asshole, but Fedor is a bigger one.

Strikeforce is already having problems with him. He's scared of Ovareem and demanded a piss test. Ovareem passed it and now Fedor doesn't even want his title shot. The co-promotion with M1 is killing them (like it does every other company too). Dana bent over and was ready to take it in the ass to get Fedor, and he still pushed his co-promotion bullshit.

He's ducking top talent in both companies and holding out for more money. Fuck Fedor.
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This is such a ridiculous argument though. Why would Dana White try to make it easier for his competition to succeed? He's not being some evil son of a bitch, he's being a businessman (admittedly though, sometimes the two aren't far off from each other.)

What it probably comes down to is that Fedor wouldn't agree to terms with the UFC, even though Dana feels that he did everything necessary to get him there. Now Dana is being unreasonable in response. Childish? Yeah. Can he get away with it with little to no backlash? Yeah.
They couldn't come to terms, Dana needs to get over it. Fedor got a BETTER deal. Dana did everything he feels was necessary, yet we don't know what he offered him. To Dana White 500k a fight would be more than reasonable, but Fedor was unreasonable for taking a better deal if he could?

Dana White is bad for the sport of MMA. These kind of things are anti-competetive tactics, and can get him and the UFC into trouble.
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Dana is an asshole, but Fedor is a bigger one.

Strikeforce is already having problems with him. He's scared of Ovareem and demanded a piss test. Ovareem passed it and now Fedor doesn't even want his title shot. The co-promotion with M1 is killing them (like it does every other company too). Dana bent over and was ready to take it in the ass to get Fedor, and he still pushed his co-promotion bullshit.

He's ducking top talent in both companies and holding out for more money. Fuck Fedor.
How is holding out for more money in a sport where the top companies pay next to nothing in compared to their revenues and profits a bad thing?
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And the ducking top talent is bullshit, if Fedor signed with UFC, Dana White would let him fight whoever he wanted, within reason. Matt Hughes is still around, and wants another title shot, but refuses to fight anyone good, UFC doesnt care. They just bring a Gracie in to job to Hughes.
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Feel like your hatred for Dana White is causing you to not be able to be reasonable yourself when it comes to this subject. Fedor and his agent were the ones being ridiculous during negotiations because they would only make a deal under impossible conditions. There would be absolutely NO good reason for Dana to agree to co-promote with m1. M1 would offer him absolutely nothing besides Fedor and then he runs the risk of it blowing up in his face. He would be fucking insane to agree to such a deal.

All the while, Fedor is looking pretty good right now because he isn't refusing to fight top level competition because he's afraid of tarnishing his image, he just "can't come to terms" with the UFC. Pretty convenient overall.
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ok IC your done...


of course hughes would like another title shot, but he also knows he doesnt have a lot of fights left and he has not once said in an interview since he lost to alves, that he deserves a shot. They brought in gracie to fight hughes because it was in abu dabi and gracie is as popular out there as hughes is here.

Fedor is getting very picky with his fight selections and has requested ovareem get a piss test. Upon passing that test, Fedor started talking of retirement.

Dana is not being unreasonable when saying he doesnt want to co-promote. Every company gets hurt badly by that type of arrangement and why would the UFC share their wealth that they made from less than nothing and turned into this giant business. M-1 is trying to leach off of what ufc made without doing the work.
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I don't even hate Dana White. He's become more tolerable. We don't know the exact details of the neogotiations. We know the the initial offer was to co-promote under the M-1 banner, and UFC refused. Anything beyond that is speculation. We do know that Fedor got the deal he wanted from Strikeforce.

So Fedor should have taken a lesser deal because you want to see him fight top level competition? Fedor did that in Pride, when it was the top promotion in the world.

Fedor is at the tail-end of his career, can you blame him for taking the best possible money or deal?
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How is holding out for more money in a sport where the top companies pay next to nothing in compared to their revenues and profits a bad thing?
Not in a "they're not paying me reasonably" way (and truthfully, they aren't with most guys). I mean in an "M-1 Global gets half the profits and pays none of the production costs" way. Why do you think Affliction folded?

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And the ducking top talent is bullshit, if Fedor signed with UFC, Dana White would let him fight whoever he wanted, within reason. Matt Hughes is still around, and wants another title shot, but refuses to fight anyone good, UFC doesnt care. They just bring a Gracie in to job to Hughes.
Matt Hughes is done. He is still a name, so they give him fights, but realistically, who could he beat other than old ass Gracies? Matt Serra won their fight but got robbed.

As for Fedor, the top talent in Strikeforce is Ovareem. He's the god damn champion. Fedor has a shot at him but wants to fight Werdum. Who in their right mind ducks the champion to fight a "middle of the road at best" guy? Ovareem is a fucking beast. A clean beast. Like I said, Fedor wanted a piss test before their fight and Ovareem passed it. Now he doesn't want any part of him.

Fedor knows it's not much better in the UFC. He'd maybe have to fight Ben Rothwell, then Cheik Congo then Cain Velasquez then the champ? There's a lot of risk of exposure once you get to the top 5. Even if he got an immediate titleshot he's looking at exposure from the top guys.

If he loses, his mystique is gone and so is his ability to demand so much money. Plain and simple.
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of course hughes would like another title shot, but he also knows he doesnt have a lot of fights left and he has not once said in an interview since he lost to alves, that he deserves a shot. They brought in gracie to fight hughes because it was in abu dabi and gracie is as popular out there as hughes is here.

Fedor is getting very picky with his fight selections and has requested ovareem get a piss test. Upon passing that test, Fedor started talking of retirement.

Dana is not being unreasonable when saying he doesnt want to co-promote. Every company gets hurt badly by that type of arrangement and why would the UFC share their wealth that they made from less than nothing and turned into this giant business. M-1 is trying to leach off of what ufc made without doing the work.
I never said the UFC should co-promote, they chose not to. So why keep acting like a child? M-1 was trying to leach of UFC, and UFC ass-rapes it's employees.
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And I know why they brought Renzo in, I was just kidding. I just hate Hughes.
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Old 06-26-2010, 07:23 PM   #24
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This has somehow become about the UFC's failure to sign Fedor. This was really about the UFC's dirty and questionable business tactics.
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If he loses, his mystique is gone and so is his ability to demand so much money. Plain and simple.
This pretty much sums it up nicely, even without the backstory.
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Old 06-26-2010, 07:38 PM   #26
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Again, while we can debate the Fedor/UFC situation all day, it's about the ramifications of black mailing of one of the sports biggest sponsors in a sport that relys heavily on sponsorships, in part because salaries are so low.
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At the end of the day though, he can get away with it because of the position he's in. The moral of the story is probably to not piss Dana White off.
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Until someone decides to bring an Anti-trust lawsuit against white and the UFC.
I shouldn't be surprised no one cares, who cares in UFC has a monopoly, and fighters are treated fairly, and if there's competetion. So long as UFC houses the best named in the world, and gives us the best shows, it's all good.

I don't know if you are or not, but you sound like your justifying White's position Narc. This hurts fighters in MMA as a whole. This appears to be a case of the UFC using it's power and position to maintian a monopoly, and I believe that is illegal.
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I'm not justifying anything, I'm just saying that he's going to do it and nobody will probably stop him from doing it for a long time.
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And you see nothing wrong with what he is doing?
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And so what if there is? He's going to do it until somebody stops him. Basically Fedor and his representation pissed off the wrong guy and paid for it. That's really all there is to it.

I'm not saying that it's right, I'm saying that it's just the way that it is.
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We can see that's how it is. We know Dana White is gonna do what he wants, this is nothing new. What I was asking is don't you think this is bad for fighters and MMA? That the UFC is going to far, and hurting the sport by trying to maintain in monopolistic hold over MMA?
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Every company is going to do what's best for business and make decisions that make them money. I'm not sure Dana White minds being an "evil monopolistic asshole" and I don't think he cares whether it's good for MMA or not. He only cares what's best for the UFC.

However, I'm not convinced that his decision to blackball Fedor is hurting MMA as a whole.
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I completely agree with what White is doing here.
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So you don't believe in competetion laws, or you don't think this policy will extend past Fedor?
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I think you're over exaggerating the situation. MMA is so hot right now, there will not be a lack of competition for quite some time nor is there a lack of competition now. The competition just aren't where the UFC is right now and I think that it's gotten a good portion of MMA fans upset. There are tons of promotions where fighters can go for employment, they just can't offer what the UFC can. It feels like you're coming down on the UFC for being a successful promotion. Need us remember that MMA was nowhere NEAR where it is now before Dana and the Fratitas resurrected the UFC. Other promotions owe Dana White a bit of gratitude, to be honest, I guess it's just hard to do when he's making most of the money.

To your second question, no. I don't think this time of behavior will extend past Fedor. Dana White is pretty emotional for a businessman and I think this was Dana's final "Fuck you" to Fedor for being so difficult during contract negotiations. Not saying that I think this was a completely moral move, but try to stop him.
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I'm not coming down on the UFC in anyway, other than saying what they are doing is wrong. Should we not question anything Mr. White does or the UFC? They did resurrect MMA in America afterall. The UFC is the promotion I prefer to watch, I'm not grinding an axe. I only pointed out they don't always use the most ethical business practices and don't particularly pay their fighters the greatest.
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Well, it doesn't really seem to keep fighters from working for the UFC so it probably won't get any better for a while. There aren''t many other higher paying alternatives either so I suppose UFC kind of sets the bar on purse.
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Does anybody know how much it costs to run a PPV? I'm sure they have their business plan and structure and pay the fighters based on what they can afford to keep their business profitable. Dana always says his fighters are very well taken care of in ways we don't know, I'm sure he's not bsing with that.
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