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Old 09-06-2010, 05:54 PM   #1
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Hypothesis: If PG ended tomorrow
What's the one thing you most want to see in today's WWE which has been outlawed by the PG era thing?

For me, I want to see Shaemus vs. Orton in a fucking brutal Last Man Standing match, blood and barbed wire bats and all.

Also, CM Punk and the Miz being allowed to do more 'cutting edge' promos.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:57 PM   #2
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Definitely agree with the CM Punk and Miz promos.
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You don't seem to care about the Superstars who seek to entertain you.
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Although not IWA-MS Punk where he's swearing all over the place.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:22 PM   #5
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Although not IWA-MS Punk where he's swearing all over the place.


lol 1:00.
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Old 09-06-2010, 05:59 PM   #6
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The main reason I never watched ECW was because of the Barbed Wire shit, there is no need for any of it.

The one thing I would like is for the trainers too piss off when someone is bleeding.
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I don't even specifically want him to be able to swear... I just want him to really push the limits of his gimmick. Every gimmick in WWE right now is lacking in intensity, simply because the guys are not allowed to exploit probably their most interesting parts i.e. stuff that children wouldn't necessarily understand, or would scare them.
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Would love to see Cena go back to the anti-hero style that got him over in the first place.
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The promos could be "spiced" up a little, however, like I said before the unnecessary violence is uncalled for. The barbed wire, glass, tacks, and all that garbage should have died along with the garbage promotion that used them.
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Just wanna say ECW was much more than the trash matches.
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Just wanna say ECW was much more than the trash matches.
Fair enough, however, I am going to need some examples
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Fair enough, however, I am going to need some examples
lol are you kidding me?
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lol are you kidding me?

Thanks for your pointless and laughable take on things.
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Fair enough, however, I am going to need some examples
You know what? I'm lying. ECW was trashcans and tables the entire time. Goodbye.
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Old 09-06-2010, 06:36 PM   #15
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Just wanna say ECW was much more than the trash matches.
Yeah but it did have its share of those too.
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Yeah but it did have its share of those too.
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I think a barbed wire bat, used properly, is relatively harmless.

Ala Royal Rumble main event 2000. And it just adds a little edge to the match.
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I just want the PG era to end so everyone can shut the fuck up about it.
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I just want the PG era to end so everyone can shut the fuck up about it.
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I like the idea of edgier promos. Especially for Punk.

I do think the PG rating has watered down the intensity of certain fueds. The Jericho/HBK fued when Jericho turned was immense. I feel that we will never get such a personal fued like that so long as the PG era is relevant.

Outside of Orton/Triple H from 2009, I can't think of any fued that pales in comparison. Seems as if that was last blood fued in WWE.
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The thing is, PG can be done well with a decent amount a violence, and it can be done like it is with WWE, catering to a younger audience.

The original Nexus beat down was easily PG, and that was fucking awesome, even without the tie choking (which was probably TV-14 to be honest).

If swearing and blood is all you care about for wrestling, good for you, but you're missing A LOT of the really good stuff.

Also, I'm pretty sure they could get away with a little blading here or there on a PG rating, as long as it wasn't in bucket loads or a common occurrence, which it SHOULDN'T be, anyway. It should be something that means something to the angle or match, not just there as a passive prop.

This isn't a matter of the ratings, it's a matter of WWE's style and how they cherish special effects and cheesy storylines over realistic feuds and engaging storylines.
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Do you not think that cheesy storylines are just far more likely to happen in a PG rated show? Realism is hard to attain with PG when what wrestling feuds are really about is the desire two guys eventually have to beat the living shit out of each other. How do you get two guys to that point without breaking PG rules? I'm genuinely interested to hear suggestions.
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Do you not think that cheesy storylines are just far more likely to happen in a PG rated show? Realism is hard to attain with PG when what wrestling feuds are really about is the desire two guys eventually have to beat the living shit out of each other. How do you get two guys to that point without breaking PG rules? I'm genuinely interested to hear suggestions.
PG has nothing to do with the realism of storylines. You can have a personal fued, sans cussing and bleeding, if written correctly.

Danielson's original fued with Micheal Cole came off as a very realistic situation that any hard working individual could relate to. You have a guy who has a proven track record everywhere he's been, has an elite level of ability, and yet here he is, feeling he's being held down by the company becuase he doesn't fit their model of a wreslter even though he has earned the oppurtunity through past work.

That's not realistic? The problem has been stated; the writing team doesn't understand how to book a wrestling show.
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Suggestions? It's obviously been done for a while now.
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How many feuds have come off as gripping and realistic in the current era?

Taker vs HBK?
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How many feuds have come off as gripping and realistic in the current era?

Taker vs HBK?
And gee, that was a VERY SIMPLE, PG story.

2009: Shawn Michaels never faced The Undertaker at WrestleMania. Well, let's do this. Shawn needs to qualify. He does. He cuts some promos, they brawl a bit. Match happens, best match of 2009.

2010: Shawn Michaels is obsessed with losing to The Undertaker. He tries to qualify, loses. Costs Undertaker a match. Undertaker is pissed. Let's do this. Match happens, best match of 2010.

WWE doesn't write this stuff often because the majority aren't over to the point of Michaels and Taker are and, more than likely, both Taker and Michaels had A LOT of say in everything they did.

The writing staff, for the most part, is inept at booking wrestling. They book entertainment. Again, it's a matter of WWE's style, not the rating.
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How many feuds have come off as gripping and realistic in the current era?

Taker vs HBK?
Which may have something to do with the lack of top tier talent and writing, rather than the rating.

Wait, sorry, that would be injecting an element of logic into an argument that seems solely designed around wish fulfillment. Let me correct myself.

PG ratings make good writing impossible. Linda is killing wrestling. Blood can totally make everything better.

Tongue in cheek? Wazzat?
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How many feuds have come off as gripping and realistic in the current era?

Taker vs HBK?
Well, let's see. There was Taker vs HBK, JBL vs HBK, Jericho vs HBK, Flair vs HBK, Batista vs HBK.......

I'm sensing a pattern here....
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The point I am getting at is, if a character is really well built there is no need for swearing, or extreme violence.
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They're far more likely if you present your company in a certain way, yes.

The PG rating really comes down to more extreme violence, language, blood and sexual content. None of this is required for good wrestling.

If they replaced the current characters with UFC-like persona and just had them wrestle matches in a competitive atmosphere, it would be easily attainable on a PG level. I'm not saying they SHOULD go this route, but it's one route that's possible.

Matches now, while slower and a bit safer, aren't that much less violent than (non-hardcore) Attitude Era matches (Taker vs Austin SummerSlam 98, for example). And that's another thing you need to realize. Even if the PG rating was dropped, they would still be presenting the safer, less fast paced in-ring product to protect their workers.
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Thanks Champ, but I didn't ever say that I wanted peeps to be able to swear. I take your point... good stuff can be attained without extreme violence, but it's not like Sting has never bladed to make a match more entertaining. Shit, he's (his stunt double) been set on fire and thrown off the top of the Nitro Tron. Anyway I guess that's beside the point.

Xero... the stuff about worker protection... you think Vince would care quite so much if A. his wife wasn't politicking and B. it looked as though less safe working conditions would lead to a greater market share?

And your suggestion about the faux UFC route... I know you didn't fully endorse it but do you think that could really work? It'd be a shot to the heart of everything unique about pro wrestling. But then again... maybe that's what it needs.
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Xero... the stuff about worker protection... you think Vince would care quite so much if A. his wife wasn't politicking and B. it looked as though less safe working conditions would lead to a greater market share?

And your suggestion about the faux UFC route... I know you didn't fully endorse it but do you think that could really work? It'd be a shot to the heart of everything unique about pro wrestling. But then again... maybe that's what it needs.
A. Yes. He has way too many people on his ass right now and is a target of the government and the media.

B. That may technically be true, but it's also not good for anyone, really, except the fans. And personally, I don't want to see anymore early deaths and anything that can prevent it I'm all for it.

And yes, I do think that the UFC realistic route could really work. It would take A LOT of retooling and years of transition if WWE were to do it, but if done right it could be money for them. Though of course I don't mean straight up UFC, they need to add SOME aspects of sports entertainment in there to keep it as a different entity. But the silly stuff could be done away with and they could do more Taker vs Michaels stuff.
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And I said HBK Taker feud DID work... no need to go off on me like that.
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The PG era began much earlier than Linda's campaign.
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OK. But Vince currently believes that 'PG' will earn him more money through sponsors. If that money goes away, does he go back to how it was?
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OK. But Vince currently believes that 'PG' will earn him more money through sponsors. If that money goes away, does he go back to how it was?
The transition to PG really started around Mania 20 (very very general time frame). Unless another company comes along and starts to damage WWE directly like WCW did, I don't see them going all the way back. Maybe incorporate some of the slightly more "edgy" stuff (blood will be back, I have no doubt about that, but no where near what it once was), but for the most part what we see today is what we're going to see until the day Vince leaves the company or gives his major power over to Hunter.

One thing you don't seem to understand is that Vince changed because he HAD to. The Attitude Era was not Vince McMahon's vision. The Rock 'n Wrestling era and today's era are Vince's vision. Until the company is on the brink of extinction , I don't see things ever going back to how they once were.

Also, WWE is fucking enormous right now. Without someone like WCW coming along, it would take them YEARS to slide back to where they were in the Rock 'n Wrestling era, let alone 92-96.
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