Videos of Hogan vs. JJ/Russo Bash At The Beach Shoot

[CBright7831]

Hogan vs Jarrett (the match)

Russo's Shoot On Hogan

Hulk Hogan and Vince Russo were having problems together, Russo was always trying to write off Hogan giving him storylines trying to kill him off, first Hogan agreed to lay down for Sting at Halloween havoc 99, where Russo then said that he would bring Hogan back better than ever. Well Hogan was begged to come back by Eric Bischoff several months later. When Russo took back over the company in 2000, he had Hogan job to kidman, and was basically trying to write him off week after week with storylines that involved Hogan getting beat up and sent to the hospital. Finally after several months of this Hogan had decided to use his creative control right (which he has in his WCW contract which gives him 100% control over his character). So after beating kidman for a shot at the title, the next night on Nitro we saw Goldberg spear hogan and "injure him" for the next 3 weeks Hogan was not seen on tv until his title shot at Bash at the Beach. Russo and Hogan met several times during that week disagreeing with each other's idea. Until finally, Russo told hogan he'd have Jarrett lay down for him at Bash at the beach and the next night on Nitro start a tournament where the winner would face Hogan at the following pay per view, which would determine the real "champion" having Hogan defeat the tourney winner for his final match and send off. Hogan and Russo finally agreed upon this together. So it was set in stone that this would happen. So after Jarrett laid down for Hogan, Hogan left kinda disappointed in himself for what he did. Russo then came out and bashed Hogan calling him racist, saying he held down talent etc... Hulk Hogan sued WCW and Vince Russo that same year, quite frankly Hogan only won money that was already coming to him. So nothing was quite solved except for a damaged reputation. Hogan apologized to Booker T telling him he didn't hold him down, but Booker T held himself down instead. This was Hulk Hogan's last WCW appearance.. Enjoy

[HHHsucks929]

I honestly don't know who to side with in that issue. I'd probably go with Vince Russo if it was anyone but Vince Russo. It's just hard to agree with that tirade when it's coming out of the mouth of a guy who had been there for less than a year and was one of the reasons the company [WCW] went under.

[El Santo]

Wow. It's so weird revisiting that moment after all these years. I think I side a little with Hogan; if you're going to air out your dirty laundry, don't do it on the air, and certainly not in front of the fans who paid good money to go to that show.

And kinda weird to hear Russo shoot that Jarrett was not a backstage politician. Maybe he wasn't in the day, but somehow I doubt it.

[Vega]

Wow, I'd never seen that before. I knew it happened, but it was still shocking to see it.

[CBright7831]

The realism of it.

I remember so many people thinking this was a work, it might have been, I don't know.

We wouldn't see Hulk for nearly two years until he resurfaced in the WWF with the NWO.

[Pegasus Crawford]

I've seen the video of Russo "shoot" on Hogan, but I never did see what transpired in the match itself.

[The Ravishing One]

Originally Posted by Pegasus Crawford I've seen the video of Russo "shoot" on Hogan, but I never did see what transpired in the match itself.

[Rob]

Side with Hogan. He should have done the job just like Bret Hart should have in Montreal but, just like Hart, he had an agreed creative control card and thus could pick his own finishes. It's stupid but WCW should have never given him that right but at the end of the day, he had it so he was in the right.

[Vega]

Originally Posted by Rob Side with Hogan. He should have done the job just like Bret Hart should have in Montreal but, just like Hart, he had an agreed creative control card and thus could pick his own finishes. It's stupid but WCW should have never given him that right but at the end of the day, he had it so he was in the right.

[Fox]

Originally Posted by Rob Side with Hogan. He should have done the job just like Bret Hart should have in Montreal but, just like Hart, he had an agreed creative control card and thus could pick his own finishes. It's stupid but WCW should have never given him that right but at the end of the day, he had it so he was in the right.

I have to disagree with you there.

The Bret Hart/Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan/Vince Russo situations were completely different. Bret was leaving the WWF for WCW and Vince wanted him to drop the belt in his home country. Hogan and Russo were merely arguing over who got to get the belt: Hogan or Jarrett. Obviously Russo wanted to keep the title on the younger, more entertaining Jeff Jarrett, and Hogan wanted the belt for himself.

Bret was being reasonable, opting to drop the title the next night on RAW (which could have been a great moment in WWF history, and would've left the doors open for Bret to return later on). Hogan was, as usual, pushing for himself to win the World Title, which went completely against Russo's booking plans to upgrade the younger guys.

I don't care how big an ass Russo is, I believe that he was in the right. It was thanks to Russo that Hogan left the company and Booker T won the World Heavyweight Championship later that night.

I personally don't blame Russo for the downfall of WCW. The ship was already sinking when he jumped aboard, and he atleast came up with a dynamic plan to save them, although it ultimately failed.

[HHHsucks929]

Originally Posted by Mr Sunday Night I have to disagree with you there. I personally don't blame Russo for the downfall of WCW. The ship was already sinking when he jumped aboard, and he atleast came up with a dynamic plan to save them, although it ultimately failed.

Yeah, like giving David Arquette and himself the World Title. Yes, quite dynamic, indeed.

[Wondermouse]

Originally Posted by HHHsucks929 Yeah, like giving David Arquette and himself the World Title. Yes, quite dynamic, indeed.

For all the pushing of young stars Russo did, he gave them horrid gimmicks, ill-conceived storylines, and put the belts on guys like Bill Ferrera, David Arquette, and, of course, himself.

But he still changed things up. Guys who actually had talent and worked hard for the company became more or less the focus. And after seeing years of the old guys as the face of the company, it was nice to tune in and see Booker T as the champ. He had some good ideas. It shook things up. It just didn't move the company anywhere.

[HHHsucks929]

Originally Posted by Wondermouse For all the pushing of young stars Russo did, he gave them horrid gimmicks, ill-conceived storylines, and put the belts on guys like Bill Ferrera, David Arquette, and, of course, himself. But he still changed things up. Guys who actually had talent and worked hard for the company became more or less the focus. And after seeing years of the old guys as the face of the company, it was nice to tune in and see Booker T as the champ. He had some good ideas. It shook things up. It just didn't move the company anywhere.

Yeah, well the emergence of Booker T and Rey Mysterio and the like were just bright spots of a horrible management job by Vince Russo that IMO played the biggest role in WCW going under.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Mr Sunday Night I have to disagree with you there. The Bret Hart/Vince McMahon and Hulk Hogan/Vince Russo situations were completely different. Bret was leaving the WWF for WCW and Vince wanted him to drop the belt in his home country. Hogan and Russo were merely arguing over who got to get the belt: Hogan or Jarrett. Obviously Russo wanted to keep the title on the younger, more entertaining Jeff Jarrett, and Hogan wanted the belt for himself. Bret was being reasonable, opting to drop the title the next night on RAW (which could have been a great moment in WWF history, and would've left the doors open for Bret to return later on). Hogan was, as usual, pushing for himself to win the World Title, which went completely against Russo's booking plans to upgrade the younger guys. I don't care how big an ass Russo is, I believe that he was in the right. It was thanks to Russo that Hogan left the company and Booker T won the World Heavyweight Championship later that night. I personally don't blame Russo for the downfall of WCW. The ship was already sinking when he jumped aboard, and he atleast came up with a dynamic plan to save them, although it ultimately failed.

I disagree entirely.

For a start, in my opinion, Jeff Jarrett is not more entertaining than Hulk Hogan. Jarrett is one of the most stale acts I have ever seen. Aside from a haircut and a "slapnuts" catchphrase, he has done the exact same thing for the past 15 years. Hogan at least turned heel and was different in that time. Plus his stale act is actually marketable.

Hogan telling Russo he was invoking his creative control clause didn't even matter because not only was Booker T getting the title anyway, Hogan was double crossed. You don't agree on a finish and then change it without telling all parties involved. Also remember that the deal with Jarrett laying down and Hogan walking out was all a work. Russo's interview was the only shoot there.

Russo is obsessed with shoots. He is obsessed with Montreal and he is obsessed with the internet voice. The guy does not have a clue about professional wrestling. I said at the time and I'll say it again now, Vince Russo could have easy gave Hogan an ultimatium and said "Hey pal, lose to Jeff Jarrett or you'll be working with El Dandy every week on Thunder until your contract expires" and he would have been within his legal right to do so. The guy should have taken a look at RF Video's shoot interview tape sells and saw that only about 100 people care about shoots and they don't watch wrestling for shoots.

You might not blame Russo for the downfall of WCW but I certainly do give him his share (Bischoff, Hogan and Nash all have blame too) and it's probably the biggest share. He took control of that company on 3 separate ocassions and each time ratings went down, PPV buyrates went down and house show numbers were non existant. His ideas were piss poor. Who in their right mind puts the World Heavyweight Championship David Arquette and himself? He also wanted to put the belt on Tank Abbott who might have been the least over wrestler in the company as well as being the worst. TV was good for the two weeks after he and Bischoff returned and then it all went tits up. He had 2 good weeks of TV in 3 runs!!! You think that is good booking? For every good booking plan he had, he had 50 bad ones.

I can go on all night. Vince Russo was the worst thing that happened to pro wrestling in the last 20 years. He made me turn off WCW at the end and I grew up watching that show. Before he lost me as a fan, I only ever turned off one show in 10 years optionally and that was because Nitro clashed with Raw here on Friday nights and this was the night of the Owen Hart Raw special (I usually watched Nitro and caught the Raw replay).

After the way he pissed on this business, I would pay good money to piss on him. Hey Vince! That's a internet shoot for you. Get an Ebay auction up or something.

[Gerard]

Weird as hell to watch that, was obvious hogan had no clue wtf was going on for a few seconds till he seen russo parading about with the title. If a guys given creative control and uses it then its the companys fault for giving him it in the first place, its not being underhanded in any way if you have the option.

[The Ravishing One]

Originally Posted by Gerard Weird as hell to watch that, was obvious hogan had no clue wtf was going on for a few seconds till he seen russo parading about with the title. If a guys given creative control and uses it then its the companys fault for giving him it in the first place, its not being underhanded in any way if you have the option.

I agree, but whats the deal with your signature being posted?

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by The Ravishing One I agree, but whats the deal with your signature being posted?

Just go to advanced reply and click on "show signature box".

[Hired Hitman]

-edit-

Fixed.

anyway, interesting to say the least

[diamondcutter]

Originally Posted by CBright7831 Hogan vs Jarrett (the match) Russo's Shoot On Hogan Hulk Hogan and Vince Russo were having problems together, Russo was always trying to write off Hogan giving him storylines trying to kill him off, first Hogan agreed to lay down for Sting at Halloween havoc 99, where Russo then said that he would bring Hogan back better than ever. Well Hogan was begged to come back by Eric Bischoff several months later. When Russo took back over the company in 2000, he had Hogan job to kidman, and was basically trying to write him off week after week with storylines that involved Hogan getting beat up and sent to the hospital. Finally after several months of this Hogan had decided to use his creative control right (which he has in his WCW contract which gives him 100% control over his character). So after beating kidman for a shot at the title, the next night on Nitro we saw Goldberg spear hogan and "injure him" for the next 3 weeks Hogan was not seen on tv until his title shot at Bash at the Beach. Russo and Hogan met several times during that week disagreeing with each other's idea. Until finally, Russo told hogan he'd have Jarrett lay down for him at Bash at the beach and the next night on Nitro start a tournament where the winner would face Hogan at the following pay per view, which would determine the real "champion" having Hogan defeat the tourney winner for his final match and send off. Hogan and Russo finally agreed upon this together. So it was set in stone that this would happen. So after Jarrett laid down for Hogan, Hogan left kinda disappointed in himself for what he did. Russo then came out and bashed Hogan calling him racist, saying he held down talent etc... Hulk Hogan sued WCW and Vince Russo that same year, quite frankly Hogan only won money that was already coming to him. So nothing was quite solved except for a damaged reputation. Hogan apologized to Booker T telling him he didn't hold him down, but Booker T held himself down instead. This was Hulk Hogan's last WCW appearance.. Enjoy

WOW! I have Russo's shoot on audio CD, but never saw the video since it's so hard to find. Do you have the Booker/Jarrett match as well?

[CBright7831]

Originally Posted by diamondcutter WOW! I have Russo's shoot on audio CD, but never saw the video since it's so hard to find. Do you have the Booker/Jarrett match as well?

Unfortunatly no.

Let me go back to the board I found this on. They might.

[diamondcutter]

Originally Posted by CBright7831 Unfortunatly no. Let me go back to the board I found this on. They might.

Thanks! I hope you're able to find it. I keep hearing how great that match was.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

I loved the whole thing. I thought it was entertaining as hell.

Did you see how small that ring was and the shitty set? Plus that terrible crowd.

WCW should have produced their own talent just like WWF did. Hogan sticking around for the title year after year isnt going to draw tickets. But Russo was also an asshole by putting the title on Arquette, himself, Booker/Nash every other week.

What WCW needed was to put the title on Jarrett and keep it on him for at least a year or more and build up challanger after challanger after challanger.

Who wouldn't have wanted to see Jarrett vs Mysterio? Jarrett vs Guerrero etc.

Seriously, WWE shouldn't have given Hogan the WWE Undisputed title in 2002 either. What a waste.

[CBright7831]

FINALLY! A DISCUSSION IS UNDERWAY!!!

^^lmao

[MVP]

Great find CBright.

Anyways, Hogan was just using his privilege given to him by his contract, even though he should've used it to put younger stars over. Russo is a hypocrite when he says he didn't hold down talent, Bischoff too.

[James Steele]

This is why i can't wait til' RD Reynolds (www.wrestlecrap.com) comes out with the "Death Of WCW" book in the fall....


And... is Vince Russo still in NWA:TNA (i have only seen TNA once and that was awhile back)


And what forum did you get this off of?

[Vega]

Wait, so the entire Jarrett lying down, Hogan saying "This is why this company is going down the shitter", the announcer saying "I hate to say this but this is off the script so to speak" and hogan putting his foot on Jarett for the pin was all a work?

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Vega Wait, so the entire Jarrett lying down, Hogan saying "This is why this company is going down the shitter", the announcer saying "I hate to say this but this is off the script so to speak" and hogan putting his foot on Jarett for the pin was all a work?

Yes. The plan was for this to happen, Booker T to get the belt later that night and then for Booker T and Hulk Hogan to have a match way down the line when Hogan came back for the "undisputed" WCW championship.

[Pegasus Crawford]

lol @ Hogan saying he'll power bomb Jarrett

When I saw a tape of Fall Brawl 1999, Hogan was coming out to "American Made" and was in the yellow/red garb... When/how did he revert back to Hollywood Hogan?

[El Santo]

Originally Posted by Pegasus Crawford lol @ Hogan saying he'll power bomb Jarrett When I saw a tape of Fall Brawl 1999, Hogan was coming out to "American Made" and was in the yellow/red garb... When/how did he revert back to Hollywood Hogan?

I'm guessing it's something like the Undertaker's deal. Hogan's been pushed so far that he has to resort to his more intense "nWo" self.

[Gerard]

Originally Posted by Pegasus Crawford lol @ Hogan saying he'll power bomb Jarrett When I saw a tape of Fall Brawl 1999, Hogan was coming out to "American Made" and was in the yellow/red garb... When/how did he revert back to Hollywood Hogan?

It was some storyline to do with bischoff, he stated that "hulk hogan" was not allowed to be able to compete so hogan came out as hollywood hogan.

[Batsu]

Vince Russo may suck, he should have never been on TV and stayed backstage...and some of his ideas may have been the courtesy flush that sent WCW down the drain, but that sequence... man, I wish I had seen that when it aired.

WCW could have built on that big time.

I loved the way that Hogan was clueless for a second or two then went off...

that was almost ECW-like.

[Rob]

Originally Posted by Batsu Vince Russo may suck, he should have never been on TV and stayed backstage...and some of his ideas may have been the courtesy flush that sent WCW down the drain, but that sequence... man, I wish I had seen that when it aired. WCW could have built on that big time. I loved the way that Hogan was clueless for a second or two then went off... that was almost ECW-like.

WCW couldn't have built on it at all. Russo was in charge. If the guy was stranded on a desert island with 10,000 bricks and a step by step Idiots guide to bricklaying, he would still not come close to ever building shelter.

[Batsu]

Originally Posted by Rob WCW couldn't have built on it at all. Russo was in charge. If the guy was stranded on a desert island with 10,000 bricks and a step by step Idiots guide to bricklaying, he would still not come close to ever building shelter.

In a situation where that happened and Russo wasn't in charge, I think they might have been able to do something with that angle. Even though I think some of the things Russo said in that "shoot" were asstronomical, that did make for an interesting change of hands. In one fell swoop, the old guard of WCW ends, and a brand new feud begins. While Hogan will be Hogan, as seen at WMX8 -- even though he is an ass of collossal proportions, he can draw at the right place and the right time...

...too much of the guy can get stale, esp. in today's style of business.

the problem with WCW was that they gave the wrong people too much power (the same thing is happening to WWE in a sense)....

after seeing that, I wonder if Russo was somehow responsible for that great Bret Hart "shoot"-style, heel interview on RAW.

[Oxstar]

I cant believe i missed all this wen it happened and i have no memory of it.

[Boondock Saint]

I was never too into WCW and didn't order the PPVs, but usually read the results. I remembered when this happened, and thought "Wow. If they can somehow use this to their advantage...things could get interesting".

Anyways, never got the chance to see the video of that, so it was cool to see.

[Sensei Of Mattitude]

Hell, why did anyone bother to buy those PPVs? Did you hear what Tony said what was coming later?

Goldberg vs Nash

HOW MANY F*CKING TIMES DO WE HAVE TO SIT THROUGH THAT BULLSHIT.

Jesus, no wonder WCW was such shit.

[Disturbed316]

lol El Dandy, I remember him