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Old 01-31-2011, 03:31 PM   #1
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The Cobra: Legit Finisher?
Figured I should get this out of the Rumble thread.

I'm of the opinion that the Cobra is not a legit finish. It has no impact, it doesn't look good at all, and no one of worth should be selling the move, let alone losing to it.

Something like the People's Elbow was USUALLY used in conjuncture to the Rock Bottom or Spinebuster. Also, Rock was a legit competitor. A better example is the Samoan Spike, which had a shit ton of visual impact.

With Santino, his entire arsenal of moves consists of joke spots, and the Cobra has no impact. He doesn't seem like he can hang with anyone outside of a joke match. I know he CAN, if he were allowed to go, but I'm going on the character.

Someone like Yoshi Tatsu selling and losing to it would be fine. But someone like Del Rio, or anyone from Nexus, selling it makes them look weak as hell to me and puts them down in my eyes.

For the record, I think if Santino was allowed to go in the ring and had some legit matches, I could absolutely buy him, even if his out of the ring character was exactly the same. I've hoped for him to be able to go for the longest time now.

Discuss the Cobra and Santino in general in here.

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Old 01-31-2011, 03:33 PM   #2
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Hold still a second while I strike you in the throat. We'll see if you sell it or not.
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Old 01-31-2011, 03:36 PM   #3
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You gotta just accept the comedy aspect of WWE. Santino didn't win the Rumble, but it's a move that in incredibly over and gets people excited. It is a huge sign of respect for anyone to sell it, sure, and Santino is widely regarded as one of the best pound for pound workers WWE has. He has a unique grappling style from the 30's and his own brand of comedy. I am all for it, sorry Xero.
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Old 01-31-2011, 03:36 PM   #4
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Let take something back...

Santino will be regarded as one of the best pound for pound workers in WWE, by the end of 2011.
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Of course it's not, it's never gonna drop anybody for a World title. But it also doesn't matter, it's over and it works for him.
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It could count as a legit finisher since the move itself attacks the throat while the comedic part is him setting up the move. If he was to be a heel, all he needs to do is get rid of the setup and just have it as a throat strike and it still would be believable as a finisher.

Its sort of like HBK "tuning up the band" with his set up for the sweet chin music. He takes a while to prepare and during the whole time, the other wrestler can hear him kicking the mat. All that part is meant for is to get the crowd ready for his finisher.
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Santino's been having legit matches for a few months now. They've been pushing the "being trained by Kozlov" thing, and it has allowed him to actually get in offense in matches now.

Sure, he still does his comedy spots, the splits, and stuff like that.... but tons of legit wrestlers have had spots like that that they do mid-match.

Santino is a whole lot more legit now than he was six months back.
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I'd be more likely to break it out in a fight than a rolling arm-bar.
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Old 01-31-2011, 04:03 PM   #9
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The Cobra is over though. So is Santino.
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Still trying to find a vid on the underground from while Nash was getting ready for the Rumble applying his new submission so I can use it in real life. Can't find one where it goes all the way before the otter guy taps though.
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Wow, those Nash jokes continue to be not funny.
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If he didn't make it look so ridiculous, it could be. I mean it's a similar move to the samoan spike. He just executes it in a comedic way. Which is fine, because as everyone said here, that's what is over right now.
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Legdrop was a legit finisher for years for Hogan, who otherwise did no high impact moves. Yet guys bigger than Hogan did legdrops as standard moves.

The actual strike of the Cobra is a pointed strike to the throat, which has the potential hurt like hell.
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did'nt ming have the same move in wcw, the finger of death or something like that.
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did'nt ming have the same move in wcw, the finger of death or something like that.
His finished was the Tongan Death Grip which was a submission type move.
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Tongan Death Grip was a nerve hold, up under the chin.
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It could be, and I kinda hope they do one day, all they need to do is drop the comedy set up turn it into something he can pull out of nowhere and have the announcer's put it over as a debilitating shot to the throat, sell it that it causes temporary never damage or something who cares, if the announcer's get doom and gloomy enough over it's effects people will buy it. Some of the coolest finishers come from that area, Tongan Death Grip (aka BEST FINISHER EVER, loved the nerve hold pinfall), Samoan Spike and kinda even Sweet Chin Music is in that area.
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His finished was the Tongan Death Grip which was a submission type move.
It was a Pinning move! Meng pinned guys with his fingers, sickest finisher
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Socko,ballin elbow,peoples elbow,U can't C me,worm,boom drop,Piper eye poke...etc. Yes it can,and has. Because this is "Sports-entertainment" and those type of moves work,because the guys sell being hurt. Anything,and I mean anything can be sold. Aluminum trash cans and lids,cardboard cutouts of Goldberg,Vince Mcmahons muscle and fitness magazine cover and plenty more. The cobra is legit,and Santino should have won the rumble.
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Honestly, in a real fight it would be a more legit finisher than the Attitude Adjustment.

Jabbing a guy in the throat vs. picking him up on your shoulders, and then throwing him onto his back

Gonna bust out The Cobra next time I am in a bar fight.
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Honestly, in a real fight it would be a more legit finisher than the Attitude Adjustment.

Jabbing a guy in the throat vs. picking him up on your shoulders, and then throwing him onto his back

Gonna bust out The Cobra next time I am in a bar fight.
Make sure ya do the whole taunt set up and then have fun getting cold clocked right in the kisser.
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Honestly, in a real fight it would be a more legit finisher than the Attitude Adjustment.

Jabbing a guy in the throat vs. picking him up on your shoulders, and then throwing him onto his back

Gonna bust out The Cobra next time I am in a bar fight.
Hey, try picking a guy up for the FU but switch to an Aeroplane Spin and watch the sheer confusion/mild terror on the other guys face. Nobody fucks with the Aeroplane Spin.
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I wasn't going to say the whole "But it hurts in reality" thing, but the people do have a point.

Getting stabbed in the throat with five fingers hurts. It hurts more than getting a falling chop to your chest, yet The Worm was extremely over back in the day. I still remember the crowd loving it when Scotty 2 Hotty got Austin in position for The Worm on SmackDown, he didn't manage to get it all done though but the reaction to the possibility of it was great.

The Cobra is just the new Worm. Theatrics and a weak looking move that entertains the crowds greatly.

I see no problem with The Cobra.
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If someone like HHH took it and sold it then i think everyone would buy it as legit. Getting hit in the throat hurts, even by a jobber, but i think its more the way its presented and how commentators react that makes it seem like a comedy finisher. Santino was the last guy eliminated from the rumble so he's not the problem.
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It was a Pinning move! Meng pinned guys with his fingers, sickest finisher
You're right. Completely forgot that it was a pinning move. My bad.
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Wow. Santino looked fucking dangerous there. And that arm bar move he had looks lethal.
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That santino OVW vignette is well good!
Yeah, i would like to see him go back to that sort of character.
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:50 PM   #32
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Doesnt Santino have a legit Judo background?
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Old 01-31-2011, 05:57 PM   #33
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Doesnt Santino have a legit Judo background?
I think so, also thought he did some UFC stuff?
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:19 PM   #34
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:22 PM   #35
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You're right. Completely forgot that it was a pinning move. My bad.
No worries I think it actually was used sometimes as a submission. Such an awesome move totally loved that WCW/NWO Revenge actually had a version of it that ended in a pinfall. (The animation was techicnally a choke hold)
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:23 PM   #36
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It's a "realistic" move, and I CAN understand from that point. And I don't even have a problem with the setup. It's the move itself.

Yes, realistically, it's going to hurt. But this is pro wrestling, where theatrics matter a lot more than "what hurts". It's all about, to me, the fact that it just doesn't look like it hurts. He pokes the guy. It's to the throat, but it needs impact. I don't know if it's the way he does it or they sell it, because I'm sure if it was done at a specific angle or in a specific way it COULD look good. But to me it just doesn't come off as painful at all.

It's actually similar to MMA, at least to me. I've seen enough fights to have seen that the moves DO NOT look impressive, mostly the strikes. Knee lifts are something that's a good example to me. I KNOW they hurt, and I can get behind them BECAUSE I know they hurt, but I also know that MMA is real. Nothing has to look "impressive". It just has to look like it hurts.

It's completely different with wrestling. Yes, there needs to be a degree of realism, but at the same time, when you have something that looks weak compared to 90% of moves, there's a problem. It's like it's out of place.

In the end, my whole problem is that it looks weak, whether it's "realistic" or not.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:23 PM   #37
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I didn't think it ended in a pin? The game, I mean. Wasn't it one of those chokes where the other guy wiggled his legs around?
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:25 PM   #38
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I still don't even think it looks weak, like at all.
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Old 01-31-2011, 06:25 PM   #39
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