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Old 03-30-2011, 03:25 AM   #1
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Rock is getting weird
Still my favorite. But man. This "Team Bring It" shit, and the stuff he posts on twitter is kind of weird. I guess his life is a lot different now. I think he's kind of out of his element. Especially with this PG rating thing. The Rock telling people to "stick their insecurities straight up the doubter's candy ass" or whatever he said, that's just... Not The Rock we remember.

I'm not even talking about the ring rust. That's to be expected. Looks like he's in good shape and everything. But I wonder if guys like Rock or Austin could thrive in today's atmosphere. I think so, but not as much. They're already established icons. So yes, they will blow roofs apart when they come out.

Rock vs. Cena promo struck me as a little weird. The Rock isn't the "believe in yourself" type, or he wasn't, anyway. He was the opposite.



Sorry for the shitty quality, just grabbed what I could. That's what got Rock over. He and Austin kind of snowballed, they had everyone sucked in so far that they were in the palms of their hands, and everything they said and did was pretty awesome. To their credit, they both managed to heel for short periods even after their stardom. But that only made them more over when they turned back or returned.

Just an observation. Not meant to be another Rock and Cena debate, because it still isn't close. But Rock is a little restrained and seems a little out of his groove. Cena seems to hold his composure really well in these circumstances and I have to give him some credit for that.

I have to admit though, overall, that The Rock's fan response are dividends from his years in the attitude era. Would I still be a fan if he were to have had his first match a month ago? Probably, but perhaps not as big.

Still a Rock mark. Still consider Austin to be the top dog of all times, and Rock at an asshair's 2nd place somewhere in the ball park of Hogan. Time will tell on that, but for the most part, I'm anxious to see whether The Rock can ride this new wave, or if he'll be out so quickly it won't matter. One of his major successes was moving up the way he did, not being completely beaten up and injured. And it won't happen next month, or next year, but there is still the possibility that in this era of wrestling, he could beat up his image.

Not because he's bad, but because he used to be that good. Maybe he's reached his potential, always seemed to be getting better as time passed. Now that he's been away, it's just, well, weird.
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:27 AM   #2
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I remember watching this. Damn.
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:38 AM   #3
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When Cena, Rock, and Miz were in the ring I felt Rock really looked out of place. He just seems so much more above them.
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Old 03-30-2011, 03:42 AM   #4
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That's a good point, but when Rock was around there was a lot of talent that people actually took seriously. WWE seems like they sabotage their guys wish fast aborted pushes.

And to clarify, I think Rock/Austin were better than Hogan because of the fact that they didn't have to be superman all the time to be over. They gave up big matches. You can say what you want about Austin not jobbing for Lesnar, but that's another topic entirely. He lost his fair share of matches. Rock took a lot of three counts though.

Hogan never did that. Doesn't look like Cena did either, (I really suck at not making this a Rock/Cena debate, just trying to find any sort of parallel) but I can't really say for sure on that, haven't followed him nearly as closely.

But that takes you back to the talent pool. Or at least a talent pool that wasn't as badly/hastily chewed up and spit out.

I have to give merit to the point that Rock's company isn't exactly what it used to be either, and that may have a lot to do with it. Still one of the greatest though, all this discussion and the fucker hasn't even wrestled yet.

If Austin weren't busy with Tough Enough I'd have loved to see The Rock interact more with him. But that might bury the talent a little too much. Cool kids club that no one else would be in.
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Old 03-30-2011, 04:04 AM   #5
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When Cena, Rock, and Miz were in the ring I felt Rock really looked out of place. He just seems so much more above them.


On a different planet entirely.
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Yeah this is what i thought. Seemed kinda odd.
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Must have missed that episode of Raw.

Ew.
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Old 03-30-2011, 04:25 AM   #8
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Must have missed that episode of Raw.

Ew.
It wasn't on Raw.

They spent a few minutes alone in a room after WM19. THIS IS TRUE
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Old 03-30-2011, 05:46 AM   #9
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Yup leave it to you guys to try to spoil even The Rock's return. Nothing is ever good enough for you so why bother even living? The Rock was awesome both times he's been on Raw simple as, so please please shut the fuck up
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Old 03-30-2011, 06:26 AM   #10
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Yup leave it to you guys to try to spoil even The Rock's return. Nothing is ever good enough for you so why bother even living? The Rock was awesome both times he's been on Raw simple as, so please please shut the fuck up
Lol. Was waiting for this response.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:43 AM   #11
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Anyone would be hamstring by the restrictions placed on them in this scenario.

Rock and Cena aren't bad; They're just working with a bad situation.
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:51 AM   #12
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:32 AM   #13
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Did anyone else get the feeling that Rock didn't have an answer for what Cena said.

As much as I hate to admit it, Cena had a point.

Noticably though, there was no Rock Bottom's handed out on Raw, so someone is getting one come 'mania.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:55 AM   #14
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:37 AM   #15
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"team bring it" is weird, and it does feel forced to me.
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:48 AM   #16
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He's off, but just remember Jericho when he came back and feuded with JBL, how off he was. It will take a while, obviously he's one of the boys again, especially after Monday. He's character will form itself organically and change in the correct way as it progresses.
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:52 PM   #17
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I share a lot of the same views as you guys. My take on the Rock and Cena confrontation is that whenever Rock was in the shit with whoever, they were always going back and forth trying to get under each others skin. Or just flat out saying "I'll whip your ass" or "kick your ass" or whatever. Cena doesn't say that, which is kind of lame, but at the same time works. He takes a laid back approach, and basically does a worked shoot on him. It didn't give Rocky anything to work off of in terms of The Rock "character."

Back in the day if Rock was allowed to interrupt Cena's (which I bet he wasn't on Monday) he would have.

Plus I remember the specific part when Cena was talking and the fans started a huge "Cena Sucks" chant. Attitude-era Rock would have simply stopped him with a "The Rock can't hear what you are saying because there are 20,000 people yelling that you absolutely SUCK"

But EFF y'all The Rock is AWESOME
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Old 03-30-2011, 02:19 PM   #18
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if there is nit-picking to be done on the rock its the team bring it speech was overdone on monday and his first promo from his house via satelite he kissed ass a little too much that it seemed out of character.

as far as having no response to cena on monday.. the rock could have buried cena without even a written script but Cena has to be protected. rock will be on raw next week then after that will likely ride off again so why have your top guy get buried only to have rock leave? protect your top guy
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As for the Team Bring It thing, I've been reading his tweets for a couple of weeks now and it seems like he's religious and wants to inspire people and from the responses he gets it seems like he does.
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As for the Team Bring It thing, I've been reading his tweets for a couple of weeks now and it seems like he's religious and wants to inspire people and from the responses he gets it seems like he does.
Been seeing that on facebook to.

Got to say though I marked like crazy for the DDT he did.
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Been seeing that on facebook to.

Got to say though I marked like crazy for the DDT he did.
Couldn't embed on my crappy work computer, but skipt to about 11:30

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Old 03-30-2011, 04:18 PM   #22
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And yeah, as far as the DDT, he used to do a cooler one, when he could pull it off. "Layin' the Smack Down DDT" was pretty cool when he did it right. He stopped doing Samoan Drops as well.
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Old 03-30-2011, 04:50 PM   #24
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Yup leave it to you guys to try to spoil even The Rock's return. Nothing is ever good enough for you so why bother even living? The Rock was awesome both times he's been on Raw simple as, so please please shut the fuck up
Dunno if you're just trolling or what but I'm one of the hugest Rock marks on the planet. Not spoiling his return. Just noticing the difference between the attitude era and him being inserted into this PG stuff. Rock is mega restrained. And at the same time I wanted to be somewhat fair to Cena, because it's hard to say how well he'd have been received in the attitude era. Do I think it's close, no, but this is an example of having tied hands at its best.
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There wasn't too much the Rock could do without overshadowing the Cena-Miz feud and for a while his promo war with Cena did just that until the final "throwdown" by Cena and Miz sneak attack.

WWE probably didn't want anything similar to when Austin was involved in the Lesnar-Goldberg feud and at Mania the crowd cared only for Austin. It also didn't help the match was bad wrestling-wise.
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There wasn't too much the Rock could do without overshadowing the Cena-Miz feud and for a while his promo war with Cena did just that until the final "throwdown" by Cena and Miz sneak attack.

WWE probably didn't want anything similar to when Austin was involved in the Lesnar-Goldberg feud and at Mania the crowd cared only for Austin. It also didn't help the match was bad wrestling-wise.
I actually think the way they've went about the Miz/Cena build has been spot on. Cena has been too busy making gay references and cutting promos on the Rock, and Miz laid him out for weeks.

Last week was really the only week Cena didn't get his ass handed to him. And even then, Miz didn't get mauled either, up until last night, by a guy who's attention he's been in dire need of since the whoe Rock/Cena promo war started.

The way they've handled it has made the Miz look like a great threat. He has dominated Cena in this build, and even last Raw, instead of booking Cena to go after Miz, they have him cheap shot the Rock. That's great stuff right there. Having Cena overlook Miz going into Mania gives the feel that he could possibly be unprepared and too focused on somebody who he's not in match with, thus giving the feeling that he could lose.

I'm loving this right now. And with Rock ending Raw on his back, it's just making me wonder what the hell they have up their sleeve come Sunday.
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His fans on Twitter are messaging him saying he changed their lives with his "bring it" attitude. These fans are saying that they beat depression, got fit, got promoted, etc, all because of The Rock. It's funny, because all The Rock does is say "bring it" or something like that in his tweets. These fans are just trying to get a retweet.
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His fans on Twitter are messaging him saying he changed their lives with his "bring it" attitude. These fans are saying that they beat depression, got fit, got promoted, etc, all because of The Rock. It's funny, because all The Rock does is saying "bring it" or something that in his tweets. These fans are just trying to get a retweet.
Yeah, fucking retards.
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Old 03-30-2011, 08:42 PM   #29
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I loved the second half of Cena's promo to be honest. It was passionate and from the heart, like something he's been wanting to say to someone for ages.

If The Rock sticks around after Mania, I hope they turn Cena. Or at least give him an edge and let the fans decide or something.
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I don't think Cena should be turned. I like the idea of letting the fans decide. There's no replacement for Cena if he were to turn, unless they build someone up to that level, and have Cena turn on them and use that help propel the new guy.

With Rock only hanging around for so long, turning Cena heel would be pointless. Just get them in the ring and let great crowd reactions ensue.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:00 PM   #31
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Did anyone else get the feeling that Rock didn't have an answer for what Cena said.

As much as I hate to admit it, Cena had a point.

Noticably though, there was no Rock Bottom's handed out on Raw, so someone is getting one come 'mania.
It depends on how scripted it all was. If it was scripted word for word, for both men, then they could've done way better with Rock's part, he could've did his whole "How dare you jabroni, come out here and kiss my ass, blalbahblaala" and then addressed how Cena started it all to begin with.

It could've been a lot more entertaining and epic than it turned out to be.
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The thing is, with Rock's feuds sometimes the show ends with him getting beat or something and then the next time he gets even.
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I loved the second half of Cena's promo to be honest. It was passionate and from the heart, like something he's been wanting to say to someone for ages.

If The Rock sticks around after Mania, I hope they turn Cena. Or at least give him an edge and let the fans decide or something.
I think everything Cena says to The Rock is absolute garbage. Him talking shit about Rock on MTV or whatever was out of line. He probably has a hard-on for Rock competition wise, and Rock probably barely knows shit about him. That's the feeling I got Monday. Like Cena overestimated himself or something. Rock measured him Monday night when Cena got booed out of the building. Cena may have handled himself well, but from the beginning of this entire situation, Cena's been an idiot.
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I do agree with you though. The thing about him wanting to say it for ages. That's what makes it so gay. Cena seems to have had some illusion that he's in some contest with The Rock. And now he is. He likes to use his "love for the business" as ammo because that's all he has. It is a really weird imaginary war.

Wouldn't you think Show were out of line if he said he loved the business more than Andre the Giant? lol
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I do agree with you though. The thing about him wanting to say it for ages. That's what makes it so gay. Cena seems to have had some illusion that he's in some contest with The Rock. And now he is. He likes to use his "love for the business" as ammo because that's all he has. It is a really weird imaginary war.

Wouldn't you think Show were out of line if he said he loved the business more than Andre the Giant? lol
Pretty sure he meant that Cena wanted to say it to the WWE audience for ages. Not just to The Rock. Especially the part about his fan base being kids, because a lot of people tend to hate that his character is directed towards kids. This was not something with Cena being in an illusion thinking he has been competing with The Rock.
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Especially the part about his fan base being kids, because a lot of people tend to hate that his character is directed towards kids.
I don't hate that his character is directed towards kids, I hate that his character is directed away from adults.

People of ALL ages like The Rock, only kids like Cena.

Its a bit like Toy Story, yes its a kids movie, but there are some bits in there to keep the adults entertained. Cena doesn't get it.

Who cares, Rock is back for a while.
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I don't hate that his character is directed towards kids, I hate that his character is directed away from adults.

People of ALL ages like The Rock, only kids like Cena.

Its a bit like Toy Story, yes its a kids movie, but there are some bits in there to keep the adults entertained. Cena doesn't get it.

Who cares, Rock is back for a while.
Pretty sure there are bits and pieces of Cena that you like. And no proper adult would have their 5 year old watching The Rock or anything to due with the WWF in the attitude era.
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The only bits and pieces of Cena that I'd like would be those that would result from an explosion.
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