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Old 04-12-2011, 08:46 AM   #1
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Wow......that did not go well. Primo got in way too much offense, and that botch in the end was pretty bad. I don't know how Sin Cara is gonna keep that as his finisher with any wrestler over 250 pounds.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:51 AM   #2
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Doubt it was his finisher. He seemed abit nervous i think. Looked abit lost in the ring at times but some of the spots were good. I hope he ain't gonna do that same entrance of jumping over the top rope everytime...
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:52 AM   #3
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That's WWE's style - the heel getting in the offense and the face making a comeback. If Primo did not get in that offense, that match wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. WWE is different than wrestling in Mexico or whatever, it's a different atmosphere, so he looked a little lost.

Besides the botch, I thought it was pretty well. I loved his entrance, how he jumps over the top rope.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:53 AM   #4
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It's going to be tough for him once he gets in the ring with guys who don't speak Spanish. That and the one man spanish fly won't work on other guys, surprised they didn't let him do his armbar.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:58 AM   #5
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Yeah... I don't see a top rope C4 staying as his finisher, but I think he has WAY bigger problems in that botch than most of you guys do.

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Primo shouldn't have sat on the top rope after the slip. He should have tried a dive or something. Accidents happen, but you gotta adapt quickly. HBK and Piper seemed to be the best two guys at reaction to fuck ups/botches.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:13 AM   #7
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Yeah, thought it was weird that they just decided to do the spot anyways. Primo could have crotched himself on the ropes and fell down or something. Kinda made it look like they didn't want to deviate from the plan of the match. His moves were impressive.

The Long Island Iced Z would have done better
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:15 AM   #8
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That's WWE's style - the heel getting in the offense and the face making a comeback. If Primo did not get in that offense, that match wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. WWE is different than wrestling in Mexico or whatever, it's a different atmosphere, so he looked a little lost.

Besides the botch, I thought it was pretty well. I loved his entrance, how he jumps over the top rope.
Usually debuting wrestlers pretty much squash whoever they face. It just seemed the match had no flow.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:26 AM   #9
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It was a great, short match. Sin Cara looked amazing, and damn I forgot how good Primo is. I wish WWE would do something with him.

Dunno what TL and Porksoda are on about though, 'looking lost at times', Sin Cara seemed fine. The slip at the end was pretty bad, but to be fair it wasn't awful. It wasn't like when Shelton Benjamin tries a springboard and fucks up, or when Jeff Hardy tries a WINT and crash-and-burns.
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It was a great, short match. Sin Cara looked amazing, and damn I forgot how good Primo is. I wish WWE would do something with him.

Dunno what TL and Porksoda are on about though, 'looking lost at times', Sin Cara seemed fine. The slip at the end was pretty bad, but to be fair it wasn't awful. It wasn't like when Shelton Benjamin tries a springboard and fucks up, or when Jeff Hardy tries a WINT and crash-and-burns.
What I meant was in between moves he looked liked he didn't know what to do. I found it abit annoying, as Gertner said it seemed to have no flow. I aint shitting on him, just an observation of his debut.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:49 AM   #11
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A lot of people want to blame Sin Cara for that botch, but it was Primo's fault. Sin Cara was up against Primo and Primo's foot slid off of the rope and he fell. That caused Sim Cara to lose his balance and fall. That being said...Sin Cara looked pretty good, but I am thinking that eventually 4 hurricanranas during each of his matches may get stale. I will admit though that I haven't seen many of his matches and so I may be way off base.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:51 AM   #12
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Match was fine, but it was kind of a dick move by Lawler to say "I don't think that's what happened there" when Matthews tried to cover for the botched finish by saying Primo fought him off.

Wouldn't be surprised if they made him scrap the leap over the top rope entrance, considering that's twice in two weeks he's barely cleared it. It's definitely impressive, but it hasn't looked very clean and it's a YouTube botch waiting to happen.

Thought it was kinda funny that he got a huge pop at first and then the crowd died down pretty quick once he came out. Wonder if the Tron made it seem like Rey with new music or something.
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Yeah... I don't see a top rope C4 staying as his finisher, but I think he has WAY bigger problems in that botch than most of you guys do.

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this guy slipped ON THE RAMP at WrestleMania on a cape that was a couple of inches too long and was never seen again.
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:29 AM   #14
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Other than that botch before the end of the match, I found him to be pretty decent. His theme sounds like a combination of Enigma, Porn music and jungle sounds

And I really hope that he remains silent like Snake Eyes.
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Old 04-12-2011, 10:58 AM   #15
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Remember Goldberg's debut? He did not dominate that one at all and look at the run he started with.

As for him being a bit lost, it might take him time to adjust and learn how to fill the in between moves time more as he stopped and looked around a lot I found.
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Old 04-12-2011, 11:45 AM   #16
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Goldberg also wasn't being built up like Sin Cara.
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Old 04-12-2011, 11:56 AM   #17
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I dont really care for Sin Cara. I think there are better high flyers in Mexico or Japan that they could have promoted and hyped up. He should have at least spent some time in FCW to "adapt" his skills to America kinda like Del Rio and Hunico did.


Side note, (I'll say it again) Why the hell did they bring in Sin Cara when they have Hunico still sitting in FCW? Hunico has been in FCW for awhile and is apart of a high flying team with Epico (Tito Colon) right now. I dont see why WWE did hype them up and bring them onto the main roster instead
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u guys r stoopid, his debut went good
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Old 04-12-2011, 12:26 PM   #19
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Sin Cara was huge in Mexico and will bring more fans to WWE right off the hop.
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Doubt it was his finisher. He seemed abit nervous i think. Looked abit lost in the ring at times but some of the spots were good. I hope he ain't gonna do that same entrance of jumping over the top rope everytime...
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That's WWE's style - the heel getting in the offense and the face making a comeback. If Primo did not get in that offense, that match wouldn't have lasted as long as it did. WWE is different than wrestling in Mexico or whatever, it's a different atmosphere, so he looked a little lost.

Besides the botch, I thought it was pretty well. I loved his entrance, how he jumps over the top rope.

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Old 04-12-2011, 12:40 PM   #21
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I think it made Primo look good... which is good for Primo fans (all 7 of you). I feel they should have gotten a Million Dollar Man wrestling buddy out for Sin Cara's opponent instead if they wanted Cara to dominate.

The super C4 looked cool, but completely over the top. That should be a finisher in the WWE All Stars game. As it was said in this thread, let's see Cara do that on someone 250 pounds or more

I like the guy, I like his style, however as WWE's style goes, it looks like they're just hyping up a future X-Division champion.
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Wow......that did not go well. Primo got in way too much offense, and that botch in the end was pretty bad. I don't know how Sin Cara is gonna keep that as his finisher with any wrestler over 250 pounds.
It was fine, the botch wasn't even that bad. im sure he'l change his finisher for bigger guys like the way ummmm...everyone is that position does.

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Usually debuting wrestlers pretty much squash whoever they face. It just seemed the match had no flow.
'usually' isnt 'always' and the match was fine so what the fuck is your problem?? you shud go back to sending me private messages about your sister and your cock you sssssssssick fffffreak.

you know jack shit about wrestling too dude
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Not sure what the wtf smiley is for? I'm just fearing one time he'll fuck it up and look incredibly fucking stupid. Cringed when he just made it over even though its a cool new idea.
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Old 04-12-2011, 01:57 PM   #24
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He'll eventually use his normal finisher.
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:20 PM   #25
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Having not seen any mistico matches i was looking forward to this guy as some new blood. but hes 2 for 2 botching the jump in the ring, thats a bad sign that hopefully gets adjusted.

my main question is..is he doing anything that rey didnt do years ago with the luchadors in WCW? and everybody on here hates ray so how long before there are sin cara bashing threads left and right

and the realistic problem.. who can he have a program with other than rey, morrison and bourne who are all faces and who all wont garner him a push. way too early to decide his career so hopefully business picks up
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Old 04-12-2011, 02:28 PM   #26
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I was surprised by how over he was already. Fans chanting "Sin Cara" and all.

I guess if you build someone up, and they actually look "kinda cool"/shiny, the fans can get behind them like that.
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For the record, wwe.com have edited out the botch in the video recap of the match.

I've watched the botch a couple of times over now, and its not so much the mistake but more how SC handles it. He would have been fine to get right back up and attempt the move again on a taped show like Smackdown, but it happened live on Raw instead. Basically, he no-sold a fall from the top rope to the outside. That never looks good. He should have thought enough to improvise another series of moves to get back in the position for the finish, or at least took his time getting back in the ring.

Instead he jumps right back in, executes the same set-up and hits the move on the second attempt making his mistake look blatantly obvious. It's not the end of the world though - he'll learn.
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Anyone who was a fan of his work in Mexico probably won't take too much of a liking to him being forced into the WWE style.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:07 PM   #30
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Not a good way to start

"– Vince McMahon is down on Sin Cara using a trampoline for his ring entrance since he’s botched it two out of three times at television events. Following last night’s flub, the unique entrance may be altered or completely scrapped.

Cara was said to be very nervous prior to his first television match last night in regards to converting to the WWE style of wrestling. Personnel were down on both him and Primo following their match."
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Cara was said to be very nervous prior to his first television match last night in regards to converting to the WWE style of wrestling. Personnel were down on both him and Primo following their match."
Told ya.
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Old 04-12-2011, 08:45 PM   #33
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Primo has to set up awkward on the top rope in order for Sin Cara to execute the finisher. It's a move that will not be perfectly executed every time. I also agree that he'll be in the doghouse for giving Primo too much offense. Primo did look impressive, though.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:11 PM   #34
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:36 PM   #35
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The end is nigh!

Jesus did you guys watch the same match or what?

Primo made Sin Cara look like gold. The one botch was Primo's fault however as his foot slipped on the ring post rope and momentum took Sin Cara down now it must have went pretty much un-noticed or it was quickly forgiven by the crowd because I didn't hear any "you fucked up" chants.

As long as WWE don't do something stupid Sin Cara will go to the top but they have to give him time to adapt. You can't have him run down the ramp and jump on a trampoline, flip over the top rope 100's of times a year and not expect some form of error he is only human!

I personally don't feel he needs the flip over the top rope anyway.

As for the match I think Primo really showed he can help Sin Cara have a good match, it was back and forth I really think Sin Cara got the upperhand though judging by my gut feeling and watching the crowds reactions. Again Sin Cara excelled the guy is a human highlight reel he's amazing.

I think people just want Sin Cara to fail but I have news for you he won't.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:37 PM   #36
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Anyone who was a fan of his work in Mexico probably won't take too much of a liking to him being forced into the WWE style.
Yeah about that he's really not doing anything too different in WWE from what I have seen so far compared to when he wrestled in Mexico and Japan.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:44 PM   #37
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No, his debut was good.
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:45 PM   #38
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Old 04-12-2011, 09:51 PM   #39
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The botch sucked, they should've had something happen between the botch and Cara coming back to do it all again. You can't no sell a botch on the top ropes.
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