Jim Tressell just resigned!

[Krimzon7]

The cat is out the bag, the dude is done. He couldn't withstand the wave of shit that is going on at Ohio State.

[Krimzon7]

I knew it was on after the 'vote of confidence' from the front office!

Secondly, Michigan is gonna drill these assholes this year!

[Next Big Thing]

He should have. I hate how some of these coaches can allow this shit to go on and not say anything because all they care about is winning, then when the shit hits the fan they leave and it's the schools and innocent players that get fucked in the end.

Mark my words, four or five years from now we'll be hearing similiar things about Kentucky basketball.

[SuperSlim]

Tressel leaving was kind of a surprise to me. Thought he would have toughed out the 5 game suspension and carried on the team one more season... but

I still don't see Michigan being able to overcome Ohio State yet.

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by SuperSlim Tressel leaving was kind of a surprise to me. Thought he would have toughed out the 5 game suspension and carried on the team one more season... but I still don't see Michigan being able to overcome Ohio State yet.

The Michigan thing was just comedy/light hearted trolling.
I dunno Brah, the 'vote of confidence' from a GM/AD is almost always a kiss of death.
I think this will be a public castration for Tressell. The NCAA was coming down on him more than the school. I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of precedent arise from this debacle.

And Calipari will ruin Kentucky ball in two more seasons...you're being waaay too generous with your timetable.

[Evil Vito]

Wait, so let me get this straight. First he blackmails the suspended players by saying "either you agree to return next year or you're out of the Sugar Bowl" - claiming he didn't want them to "skirt the consequences" by going pro. But now he resigns, thereby avoiding his own suspension and the likely next stop for him is an assistant job in the NFL. What a hypocritical douchebag.

[RP]

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing He should have. I hate how some of these coaches can allow this shit to go on and not say anything because all they care about is winning, then when the shit hits the fan they leave and it's the schools and innocent players that get fucked in the end. Mark my words, four or five years from now we'll be hearing similiar things about Kentucky basketball.

Wait. How are the players innocent again? They were the ones pawning off rings and jerseys. These aren't 13 year olds. They're 18, 19 and 20 years old. If they don't know right from wrong by now, they don't deserve scholarships. Rules are rules. No matter what you're opinion is of them.

I would love to see Osu get the death penalty for this stuff. They're close.

[mhirn3]

Adios ya sweater vest wearing cheating fairy.

The ncaa doesn't have enough balls to punish osu with the death penalty for the 400+ violations the school has committed in the last 10 years unfortunately.

How bout we start by making them vacate all their wins they obtained ILLEGALLY last season.....including that joke of a sugar bowl the ineligible players were allowed to play in?

[Hanso Amore]

Its been to long since a Death Penalty killed a powerhouse. DO IT. SMU is still fucked. Put THE Ohio State University in the tank.

[mhirn3]

Originally Posted by Hanso Its been to long since a Death Penalty killed a powerhouse. DO IT. SMU is still fucked. Put THE Ohio State University in the tank.

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Rectal Pertruder Wait. How are the players innocent again? They were the ones pawning off rings and jerseys. These aren't 13 year olds. They're 18, 19 and 20 years old. If they don't know right from wrong by now, they don't deserve scholarships. Rules are rules. No matter what you're opinion is of them. I would love to see Osu get the death penalty for this stuff. They're close.

They're not innocent by a long shot...they ARE underpaid however! I played college ball, and it sucks to see packed stands, your jersey in stores, and coaches sign fat contracts based off of your merit...and you cant afford to gas up your car, or (more appropriately) you have to scrape together money for your next meal of hotdogs. The kids, that we speak of are immortalized in a highly successful, multi-million dollar, video game that they'll never get a goddam penny for.

College scholarships mean shit in this economy, where this thing called unemployment is out of control. And 1 out of every 100 kids will make the NFL. The kids should cash in when they can. More importantly they deserve more of the millions AND MILLIONS of dollars they generate every year by filling them stands and playing football, that we watch on tv.

[weather vane]

NCAA is a joke... the players get fuck all for what they do.

[Next Big Thing]

Originally Posted by Krimzon7 They're not innocent by a long shot...they ARE underpaid however! I played college ball, and it sucks to see packed stands, your jersey in stores, and coaches sign fat contracts based off of your merit...and you cant afford to gas up your car, or (more appropriately) you have to scrape together money for your next meal of hotdogs. The kids, that we speak of are immortalized in a highly successful, multi-million dollar, video game that they'll never get a goddam penny for. College scholarships mean shit in this economy, where this thing called unemployment is out of control. And 1 out of every 100 kids will make the NFL. The kids should cash in when they can. More importantly they deserve more of the millions AND MILLIONS of dollars they generate every year by filling them stands and playing football, that we watch on tv.

I gotta disagree with you there man. Let's be real, some of these dudes don't have the grades or GPA to get into the school on academic merit alone. They get a full ride. They don't have to deal with the FAFSA bullshit, apply for a loan from Sallie Mae, worry about meal plans or housing. And on top of that, they're pretty much celebrities on campus can walk into any bar and tag any girl. I can guarantee you that no player at Ohio State has ever had to scrape together money to eat a hotdog if he didn't want to. At 18 or 19 years old, what more could any of us want?

We all know someone who fucked up academically or personally and had to leave school. Did they end up getting a second chance at another one that was just as good as the one they left? Think about it. Cam Newton had a full ride to Florida, stole a laptop and got kicked out of school, and bounces back at Auburn. How many regular college students could pull that off?

People should stop looking at total revenues and instead focus on actual profits. Of 120 D1 Athletic Departments, only 14 broke even or made a profit. EA even lost money on the year. Hell, that's like Sony employees saying they deserve a raise because the company brought in $87 billion even though it had a total loss of $3 billion.

Plus there's Title 9 so women sports would also have to get equal compensation. Then how would it be implemented? Would you pay a football player at OSU the same amount as a football player at Boise State when one school generates so much more money than the other? Wouldn't Terrelle Pryor deserve more of a cut than his third string back up? If so, how would any of that be any better or different than a kid who goes to a school becuase the boosters offered him more money?

You go to college for the education, not the paycheck. No one is forcing these kids to play. If they think they're being exploited, they should just apply and enroll to schools as regular students and see if that life is so much better than having to be the starting quarterback at Ohio State and seeing their jersey in the window while all they get is all expenses paid. How can you say a college scholarship means shit in this economy when it allows someone to go to school free for four years? That's a hell of a lot better than not going to school at all or trying to pay out of your own pocket in this economy. I guarantee you that there are hundreds of thousands of college students who would rather play a sport and graduate from a top 50 school with a degree and no debt than have to stress over SAT scores and applications and then leave school with thousands of dollars in debt.

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing I gotta disagree with you there man. Let's be real, some of these dudes don't have the grades or GPA to get into the school on academic merit alone. They get a full ride. They don't have to deal with the FAFSA bullshit, apply for a loan from Sallie Mae, worry about meal plans or housing. And on top of that, they're pretty much celebrities on campus can walk into any bar and tag any girl. I can guarantee you that no player at Ohio State has ever had to scrape together money to eat a hotdog if he didn't want to. At 18 or 19 years old, what more could any of us want? We all know someone who fucked up academically or personally and had to leave school. Did they end up getting a second chance at another one that was just as good as the one they left? Think about it. Cam Newton had a full ride to Florida, stole a laptop and got kicked out of school, and bounces back at Auburn. How many regular college students could pull that off? People should stop looking at total revenues and instead focus on actual profits. Of 120 D1 Athletic Departments, only 14 broke even or made a profit. EA even lost money on the year. Hell, that's like Sony employees saying they deserve a raise because the company brought in $87 billion even though it had a total loss of $3 billion. Plus there's Title 9 so women sports would also have to get equal compensation. Then how would it be implemented? Would you pay a football player at OSU the same amount as a football player at Boise State when one school generates so much more money than the other? Wouldn't Terrelle Pryor deserve more of a cut than his third string back up? If so, how would any of that be any better or different than a kid who goes to a school becuase the boosters offered him more money? You go to college for the education, not the paycheck. No one is forcing these kids to play. If they think they're being exploited, they should just apply and enroll to schools as regular students and see if that life is so much better than having to be the starting quarterback at Ohio State and seeing their jersey in the window while all they get is all expenses paid. How can you say a college scholarship means shit in this economy when it allows someone to go to school free for four years? That's a hell of a lot better than not going to school at all or trying to pay out of your own pocket in this economy. I guarantee you that there are hundreds of thousands of college students who would rather play a sport and graduate from a top 50 school with a degree and no debt than have to stress over SAT scores and applications and then leave school with thousands of dollars in debt.

You've got some valid points. I can understand and agree that a degree has ts merits, but does having a degree merit the same respect as before? 10 years ago, a degree promised an opportunity at gainful employment. Now, the promise is still there, but there are plenty of young and old out of work bachelor degree recipients. Look the free ride ain't so free. Players don't get four year scholarships...you get one year deals that have renewal clauses. It's a contract. And you produced an interesting statistic. Did you take into account how many colleges/universities are NOT FOR PROFIT? They have to play shell games with the resources and "allocate" their money for the betterment of their institution. Nonetheless, I think you have a very sexy stat to prove your argument. I would simply want to know how many of those schools actually benefit from showing that loss (in the form of booster drives, soliciting donations etc)

[Krimzon7]

Another thing, are you familiar with the upper tenth? A similar theory applies to college football athletes. It is hard to feel sorry for the cam newtons, and Maurice clarrett's. But fir every one of them, there are a thousand kids who aren't the media darlings, who aren't receiving agents dollars, and who actuall live off the stipend...while they block/kick/tackle in front of thousands...and generate millions in tv revenue ticket sales, merchandise deals, and bowl revenue.

[Emperor Smeat]

Would be impossible for the NCAA to give OSU the death penalty or even think about it as a choice unless they are willing to do it to another 5+ schools at the same time (Florida has 50+ arrests since Meyer won his 1st title, Auburn with the Newton scandal, USC, etc).

NCAA's biggest problem is they don't actually run college football but leave that to the BSC cartel and get paid a couple hundred thousands of dollars per yer to not interfere. Even though they just started again on the Pryor investigation, I doubt he's going to get an even serious punishment since OSU already banned him for 5 games and the school itself did most of the discipline work.

In comparison, NCAA is usually great when dealing with other sports and doesn't do a lot of the BSing like it does with football.

[DrA]

Who's going to teach his football class?

[The Genius]

The SI article that supposedly has the most damning evidence is now up.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...&sct=hp_t11_a2

[Next Big Thing]

Originally Posted by Krimzon7 Another thing, are you familiar with the upper tenth? A similar theory applies to college football athletes. It is hard to feel sorry for the cam newtons, and Maurice clarrett's. But fir every one of them, there are a thousand kids who aren't the media darlings, who aren't receiving agents dollars, and who actuall live off the stipend...while they block/kick/tackle in front of thousands...and generate millions in tv revenue ticket sales, merchandise deals, and bowl revenue.

That argument works in reverse too though Krim. It's the upper 10th (the Newtons, Clarretts and Teboes) who people use as the basis for justifying why college athletes should be paid. No one goes to see the Left Tackle or Center play. It's the Quarterback whose jersey is sold. It's the Running Back who gets featured on ESPN.

So if you want to justify it by basing it purely on the cold numbers associated with revenue generation, those thousands of kids aren't deserving of payment because they aren't draws.

It's that same logic that explains why the highest paid Center in the NFL makes half as much as the highest paid QB. I don't think we want to apply that to college athletics.

As far as college ball players being on a "contract" that's no different than someone who gets accepted to the school on an academic scholarship. If someone on an academic scholarship flunks their first year that's it for them. They have to maintain a certain GPA and stay out of trouble. All scholarships are evaluated on a year by year basis like that.

[Next Big Thing]

Originally Posted by DrA Who's going to teach his football class?

Jim Harrick Jr.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

South Park episode last week was great.

[Tom Guycott]

Sad day in sports indeed.

Maybe he can go back to YSU. They've sucked since he left.

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing That argument works in reverse too though Krim. It's the upper 10th (the Newtons, Clarretts and Teboes) who people use as the basis for justifying why college athletes should be paid. No one goes to see the Left Tackle or Center play. It's the Quarterback whose jersey is sold. It's the Running Back who gets featured on ESPN. So if you want to justify it by basing it purely on the cold numbers associated with revenue generation, those thousands of kids aren't deserving of payment because they aren't draws. It's that same logic that explains why the highest paid Center in the NFL makes half as much as the highest paid QB. I don't think we want to apply that to college athletics. As far as college ball players being on a "contract" that's no different than someone who gets accepted to the school on an academic scholarship. If someone on an academic scholarship flunks their first year that's it for them. They have to maintain a certain GPA and stay out of trouble. All scholarships are evaluated on a year by year basis like that.

Touche' on the point made about the Centers, and your view of the upper tenth.

I do not pretend to be a genius, but I feel that there should be some updates to such an archaic structure.

[Next Big Thing]

I was thinking about this a little more. I would support the NCAA allocating a portion of revenues its revenues from money making sports like football and basketball to a trust fund for the athletes that play those sports.

Then, each athlete gets some kind of payment if they graduate within a set period ( I say six years is fair). That way, the kids whose images are used in the video games and on the tickets get some kind of payment for that, but at the same time, fuck ups and people who are only in college because they're waiting to go pro aren't being paid to waste classroom seats.

You reward the dudes who put in the work, but at the same time you're not paying anyone to play since they have to get their degree anyways and that's really supposed to be the point of them going to college anyways.

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Next Big Thing I was thinking about this a little more. I would support the NCAA allocating a portion of revenues its revenues from money making sports like football and basketball to a trust fund for the athletes that play those sports. Then, each athlete gets some kind of payment if they graduate within a set period ( I say six years is fair). That way, the kids whose images are used in the video games and on the tickets get some kind of payment for that, but at the same time, fuck ups and people who are only in college because they're waiting to go pro aren't being paid to waste classroom seats. You reward the dudes who put in the work, but at the same time you're not paying anyone to play since they have to get their degree anyways and that's really supposed to be the point of them going to college anyways.

This is brilliant. Did you hear what spurrier recommended? He says coaches should pay outta their salary 300 per player per game. No more no less. I like this, but not as much as the trust fund!

[Nervous Ferret]

Dunno, can you get away with paying some athletes and not others? Not just ALL the sports but you'd also have to pay the female athletes. The same amount. I am not so sure all 300whatever Division 1 Athletic Departments are a burning furnace of cash revenue. (obviously some are)

[Evil Vito]

Terrelle Pryor has left Ohio State. He'll either be going to the NFL Supplemental Draft or the CFL.

[Krimzon7]

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 Terrelle Pryor has left Ohio State. He'll either be going to the NFL Supplemental Draft or the CFL.

Amazing...purely amazing. I'm astounded that he came back in the first place.

[Emperor Smeat]

Supposedly, Pryor was getting paid around $20,000 to $40,000 to sign autographs and other stuff during one year which also explained how he was able to afford to buy or at least rent the multiple of cars he was driving around on campus during his time at the university.

Him and the other players involved would basically steal game used equipment either meant to be tossed or to be cleaned/reused for other sports and sign them to sell later.

[Next Big Thing]

That's not true. Some jock sniffer would bring him merchandise and he would sign it. No one was stealing anything.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6637444

Are these people's lives so pathetic that they feel the need to kiss some kid's ass with cars and money? Christ, it's Ohio State not Bumblefuck Community College. Tor every one of him there's 10 five star recruits waiting in the wings.

[RP]

Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball Supposedly, Pryor was getting paid around $20,000 to $40,000 to sign autographs and other stuff during one year which also explained how he was able to afford to buy or at least rent the multiple of cars he was driving around on campus during his time at the university. Him and the other players involved would basically steal game used equipment either meant to be tossed or to be cleaned/reused for other sports and sign them to sell later.

Cracks me up that someone paid 60,000$ for memorabilia of a CFL qb