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Old 06-14-2011, 01:03 PM   #1
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What do you think of Jack Swagger?
Last year, he won the annual Money-in-the-Bank ladder match at WM XXVI
and cashed it in on Chris Jericho less than a week later to become the new World Heavyweight Champion.

He would eventually hold on to the title for almost three months before losing it to Rey Mysterio.

But a couple of months before all this, he was practically a jobber, losing to a comedy act, Santino Marella, which made it hard for me to take Swagger seriously as the WHC.

I'm not knocking his skills. I think he's incredibly talented when it comes to performing in the ring. But IMHO, he's been the victim of bad booking.

What do you think of Jack Swagger?
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:16 PM   #2
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I agree with you. His title win was booked well. His title reign was miserable for me to watch. Since then he has been out in left field. He has a long career so I'm not worried I just feel bad for him. Watching him go from jobber to champ back to jobber so quickly...it's hard to catch my breath.
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:21 PM   #3
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I don't care for Jack Swagger.
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:26 PM   #4
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I care for Jack Swagger.
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:29 PM   #5
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:36 PM   #6
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Old 06-14-2011, 01:44 PM   #7
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:01 PM   #8
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I concur, Jack Swagger's descent down the card has been sad. His title reign was entertaining, he had some great matches with Orton. Virtually beat him clean in one of them as well.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:08 PM   #9
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He did kick the fuck out of Rey Mysterio a bunch..which I enjoyed tremendously.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:17 PM   #10
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:19 PM   #11
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Jack Swagger has everything he needs to be great, except a decent spot on the card. He's great in the ring, easy to hate, and can work with anyone from The Big Show to Rey. He's not bad, he's just booked that way.
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Old 06-14-2011, 02:26 PM   #12
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Jack Swagger has everything he needs to be great, except a decent spot on the card. He's great in the ring, easy to hate, and can work with anyone from The Big Show to Rey. He's not bad, he's just booked that way.
I agree with everything you said. Personally, I wish they would invest more time with guys like him, Kofi and Ziggler instead of Miz and A-Ri. I saw them wrestle each other at a house show in Bethlehem, PA this weekend and it was terrible, actually the only bad match on the card. Kofi vs. Ziggler and a triple threat with Cena, Punk and Truth and Bourne vs. Swagger were great. That was such a dud and the arena was silent for that match (Miz and Riley).
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Victim of bad booking..... Make him a Kurt Angle, Jr. like when Angle first debuted..... precahing abstinence, drinking milk, etc.....
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Old 06-14-2011, 03:06 PM   #14
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Victim of bad booking..... Make him a Kurt Angle, Jr. like when Angle first debuted..... precahing abstinence, drinking milk, etc.....
I think they should write him off tv for a while, then re-introduce him as a hybrid Benoit/Angle/Lesnar wrestling machine who doesn't speak much and give him a good manager as a mouthpiece. I can't take him seriously when he talks, not too mention the shitty booking they've done to him.
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Caring for Swagger has brought me immense disappointment and sadness.
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Old 06-14-2011, 03:25 PM   #17
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:17 PM   #19
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Old 06-14-2011, 04:32 PM   #20
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Used to like him. Don't anymore. Needs to win me back, but it is not gonna be easy. Needs a retooling.
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I like Swagger a lot. Not a big fan of him using the Ankle Lock though. Being compared to Kurt Angle is huge honor, but having him also use one of his finishers makes him look more like they're trying too hard to make him Angle II.
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Yeah, not a fan of him doing the Ankle Lock. I am not opposed to SOMEBODY using it, but I dunno. It just... Swagger seems too awkward and lanky to be using it. Somehow. To me. I dunno.
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The Hardy's? What do they have to do with anything?
When trying to explain how Good/Bad something is, sometimes it's useful to compare them to something that is Better/Worse than them. In this case:

Jack Swagger is the topic.
Matt/Jeff Hardy is the comparison.

In the example Matt/Jeff Hardy are terrible/not good/very bad.

So the implication is that

Jack Swagger = X
Matt/Jeff Hardy = Y

X > Y.

Simple enough for you?
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:03 PM   #30
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When trying to explain how Good/Bad something is, sometimes it's useful to compare them to something that is Better/Worse than them. In this case:

Jack Swagger is the topic.
Matt/Jeff Hardy is the comparison.

In the example Matt/Jeff Hardy are terrible/not good/very bad.

So the implication is that

Jack Swagger = X
Matt/Jeff Hardy = Y

X > Y.

Simple enough for you?
He won't get it at all. Way to complicated for El Juan. Next time use tacos and burritos in your example. Neg rep from Juan!
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:23 PM   #33
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Actually Juan never Neg Reps me, In fact he doesn't rep me at all. I usually positively rep most of his posts. Also, he's far more intelligent than you think. He's probably one of the smartest posters on here, he just hates my style of posting.
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Old 06-14-2011, 09:24 PM   #34
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Juan neg reps me all the time. I think he jerks off after every neg rep he gives me hence the constant neg rep. Oh well, I'm just glad he is getting off withou having to rape a White girl!
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We got this magical segment courtesy Swagger, I am a fan for life.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:28 AM   #38
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I honestly think that Swagger has been a "victim" of being the World Champion.

Hear me out.

I read (in UK wrestling magazine Power Slam) that the winner of the MitB that year was decided by "drawing names out of a hat" because Vince didn't know/couldn't decide who he wanted to push. Swagger's name came out, he gets a title shot.

Now, in order to keep the gimmick of MitB alive and well, Swagger pretty much HAS to win when he cashes in. So, by that logic they HAVE to put a World Title on him.

Let's not forget that he tried to cash in on Cena on the Raw after Mania and of course failed. This is to remind the audience that, despite having the clear advantage, he (nor anybody else for that matter) is better than Cena. Fast forward "4 days" and he takes the World Heavyweight Championship on SmackDown (perhaps a reminder than either Raw > SD or Cena > Jericho).

Now, to my memory, he was pretty "over" as Champ, in so far as the audience booed the hell out of him. They gave him a 3 months reign, his matches were good, his promos were hilarious. Then...nothing.

Kinda feels like he's being punished for them "having" to put the belt on him.

Dunno. Maybe I'm just filling in the blanks a little too much here.
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Old 06-15-2011, 02:57 AM   #39
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Never been a fan; his look is too vanilla, his work in and out of the ring bores me, and I can't take him seriously so long as he has that lisp.
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Old 06-15-2011, 04:51 AM   #40
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I think if he improved on the mic he'd be set for life.

He's an awesome wrestler tho, as far as in ring skills go.
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