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Old 07-29-2011, 02:00 AM   #1
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What's one thing TNA has that WWE doesn't?
Well Other then shitty booking...

But that overhead camera shot. I love that shot, it lets you look at the match in a different way. It's nice for a change. We've been watching with the same 3 camera angles, well forever.

Yeah I know the ring has 4 sides. But you never see the camera on the other side of the ring...you know the one. That main camera view...Imagine watching a match from the other side. The entrance way is at the right, and The King, Cole, and JR are to your left...Why can't we see the match at that angle? It's more forbidden then using the crossface.

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Old 07-29-2011, 02:05 AM   #2
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A few years ago I would've said the six sided ring, but Hogan/Bischoff saw to it that any original concepts TNA had were stripped upon their arrival...
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:13 AM   #3
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They only show that angle when someone is chasing the other around the ring it seems.
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:13 AM   #4
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:31 AM   #5
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Interesting and actually skilled female wrestlers whos matches and personalities

dont put me to sleep or make me go "oops women's match time for a piss break "
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:34 AM   #6
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they do show that shot sometimes where the entrance is to the right it just depends on the venue i guess
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:43 AM   #7
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Never seen it before in my life. Only if the action is on the outside of the ring have I ever seen a camera even over there.
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Old 07-29-2011, 03:20 AM   #8
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I agree with Kira.

Decent women's division with women who are allowed to A) wrestle, B) have a personality, C) get actually story lines, and D) time -- on the mic, in the ring, and building their feuds and angles.

Honestly, some of the Impact! women's matches are better than RAW or Smackdown! matches we get to suffer through.
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Old 07-29-2011, 04:32 AM   #10
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:16 AM   #11
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Well, let's see. WWE DOESN'T have the tag titles for the women's division. And WWE doesn't have divas in a hardcore steel cage or queen of the steel cage battle royale yet some are a bit bleeding unlike the WWE divas who're just plain squash matches that last only 2-3 minutes..
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:17 AM   #12
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I agree with Kira.

Decent women's division with women who are allowed to A) wrestle, B) have a personality, C) get actually story lines, and D) time -- on the mic, in the ring, and building their feuds and angles.

Honestly, some of the Impact! women's matches are better than RAW or Smackdown! matches we get to suffer through.
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:45 AM   #13
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:45 AM   #14
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:47 AM   #15
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A great women's division where the women are given time to wrestle and develop storylines. I mean Mickie James, Tara, Madison Rayne, Winter, Velvet Sky, Miss Tessmacher, Sarita (she's actually really good and I hope she gets better soon after the unfortunate paralysis), even Angelina Love I like right now. There was a time when I couldn't stand her. I do like the way Velvet is getting built up as a top face as I have been following her career since 2004 in WXW. The ODB/Jacqueline storyline with Velvet is really good and I love Mickie James being the top Knockout. That's not to say that there aren't any talented female wrestlers in WWE as there certainly are they just aren't the ones being used. The women's storylines are interesting and I look forward to their matches/segments every week. I liked the Tara/Winter match last night and I am glad to see her getting used unlike WWE who just tossed her aside. I'd like to see Beth Phoenix, Natalya, AJ Lee, Gail Kim and Tamina get used more often but they are only on Superstars or occasionally on Smackdown, but nowhere near a title. I also think Eve is one of the better divas. I know alot don't agree, but she is one of the most improved and can definitely deliver some decent moves and works to make new ones. I just don't like how Kelly Kelly, Alicia Fox, and the Bellas are such focal points. Alicia Fox always wins it seems and it's usually against Natalya. For that matter, the women's title should be the main female belt in WWE, not the divas title. When Natalya was champion, people cared about the title. Her reaction at TLC was awesome.

I also think the BFG series is great as t provides regular matches more than their usually worth, though I do like WWE's main event scene at the moment both on RAW and Smackdown. Both companies have good midcards. TNA also has Fortune, a newly revamped Sting that I really like (he's my favorite of all time), and oh yeah, Kurt Angle who no wrestler can really touch. I would love to see him vs. Daniel Bryan at some point.
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A six-sided...Oh wait.
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they do show that shot sometimes where the entrance is to the right it just depends on the venue i guess
I think you're thinking of when they have to set up the arena "backwards" and hard camera is opposite of where it usually is.

I think Fred means is that it may be interesting to have a camera opposite the hard one. It's likely not done due to there being a visible cameraman on screen, and that only happens when:

1) a wrestler is in disguise, complete with baseball cap, to sneak attack someone
2) The Rock is making fun of the cameraman or using "the People's Camera" in an I Quit match with Mick Foley
3) The Undertaker is supposed to land on you at a high-profile PPV match against Shawn Michaels

Camera crew and stage hands are supposed to be relatively invisible.
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:49 AM   #19
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Even the best women's wrestling is kinda lame.
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WWE has actually gotten a lot better at hiding the ringside crew over the last decade. They make it on relatively rarely, compared to ten years ago.
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Yeah I know the ring has 4 sides. But you never see the camera on the other side of the ring...you know the one. That main camera view...Imagine watching a match from the other side. The entrance way is at the right, and The King, Cole, and JR are to your left...Why can't we see the match at that angle? It's more forbidden then using the crossface.
Video production 101, once you've established action going in one direction, don't cut to a camera that shows it going the other way. It's disorienting to the viewer.

Basketball games do the same thing, to use another example. If you have Kevin Durant driving to the rim going left-to-right and they go to a camera where he's now finishing his drive going to the left, it's incredibly distracting and takes you out of the moment. That's why it never happens.

Even in sports (-entertainment), there needs to be a logical visual flow to people's actions. Hence the hard camera to establish a "world" for them.
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Even the best women's wrestling is kinda lame.
I don't know....There's some pretty good stuff out there...On par with any luchadore. Of course, that's a big problem in terms of viability. Nobody cares about luchadores or cruiserweights or anything else along those lines.

Plus, they're allowed to develop about as much personality as a cardboard cutout, and watching the shit in TNA, they have about as much "ring psychology" as a two-by-four.

Plus, there's tits. Tits make everything better.

I suppose it's kinda moot with regards to this thread, though. I mean, TNA's not exactly a dynamic example of what they're doing right.
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TNA has nothing on WWE, even when it comes to women. WWE's women are so much hotter and that's all that really matters.

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Less money and exposure
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lots of things

a 'cruiserweight" division

blood- not all the time but it's nice to see a bit of blood now and again to up the magnitude of the match

tag teams and not just 2 random wrestlers pushed together

wayne from the wonder years - its cool seeing the camera getting acknowledged, often in wrestling you see a wrestler doing something backstage and you think " do they not see the camera guy there" i know the suspense of disbelief and all that but part of wrestling is making it look realistic/legit
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lots of things

a 'cruiserweight" division

blood- not all the time but it's nice to see a bit of blood now and again to up the magnitude of the match

tag teams and not just 2 random wrestlers pushed together

wayne from the wonder years - its cool seeing the camera getting acknowledged, often in wrestling you see a wrestler doing something backstage and you think " do they not see the camera guy there" i know the suspense of disbelief and all that but part of wrestling is making it look realistic/legit
WWE is beyond a weight division, the push smaller weights who can hang like Bourne, Mysterio, Bryan, Rhodes, and Sin Cara.

Yes, it's so dreadfully important that the fake sport we all watch has the performers mutilating their skin with small razors. Fuck that. If they bleed it's cause it's real in WWE, not some teenage cutter bullshit.

Tag Teams... okay I stand corrected MCMG and Beer Money were the two best things TNA had, and.... yeah they don't have'm anymore.

Wayne....

Well WWE's got Freddy Prince Jr., suck that.
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Jeff Jarretts Mexican Title is 6 sided lol
MExican title? First they took our jobs, now our wrassling!
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They've got Scott Steiner, the stuff he says in more entertaining than anything Cena has said in years

Favorite recient Steiner quote "You've been screwing Hogan around, but now I'm here and I'm doing the screwin!"
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Old 07-29-2011, 06:06 PM   #37
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That is not entertaining at all.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:34 PM   #38
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I read TNA signed a reality star to a contract. How many wrestling fans do you know that watch Big Brother or other equally useless realty shows?
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:37 PM   #39
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That is not entertaining at all.
Don't you like everything?
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:39 PM   #40
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4) Video production 101, once you've established action going in one direction, don't cut to a camera that shows it going the other way. It's disorienting to the viewer.

Basketball games do the same thing, to use another example. If you have Kevin Durant driving to the rim going left-to-right and they go to a camera where he's now finishing his drive going to the left, it's incredibly distracting and takes you out of the moment. That's why it never happens.

Even in sports (-entertainment), there needs to be a logical visual flow to people's actions. Hence the hard camera to establish a "world" for them.
That's an excellent point... but your number 4 had nothing to do with the 3 things I listed. I noted 3 semi-acceptable times to have a cameraman on screen. You just listed a reason not to. Ruin'd the flow of my joke there, bud. Plus it applied more to the original question, so you should have just quoted Fred Bizkit insted.

As for "logical visual flow", the thread is supposed to be about Impact Wrestling. Therefore, "logic" and "flow" in the same statment is an oxymoron.
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