What was your take on the Monday Night Wars DVD?

**Mjdiesel** · 09-02-2011, 03:33 AM

I own it and watch it regularly but some of it didn't sit right with me.

Gerald Brisco saying "Don't MESS with Vince McMahon!"

Yeah, I thought the self-implosion of WCW, the rise of Stone Cold and the prevailing of the Attitude era on a whole was to credit for WWE winning the war.

Brisco made it sound like Vince McMahon did it all on his own, like one night he did one thing that set off the nuke that ended this whole thing. I give Vince credit, but some dominoes fell his way and WCW chewed itself up and spit it out. They were the Rocky in Rocky III and WCW was Clubber for 80-something weeks.

Granted the company made the DVD and there's going to be some bias.

Thoughts on it?

**Battlekat** · 09-02-2011, 09:14 AM

It was a little biased (like most of their dvd's), but all in all it was ok from what I remember. I haven't seen it in like 6 or 7 years though. Enjoyed the best of Nitro dvd much more.

**St. Jimmy** · 09-02-2011, 11:08 AM

it wasn't very good, tbh.

**whiteyford** · 09-02-2011, 11:46 AM

History is written by the winners.

09-02-2011, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Mjdiesel

I own it and watch it regularly but some of it didn't sit right with me.

Gerald Brisco saying "Don't MESS with Vince McMahon!"

Yeah, I thought the self-implosion of WCW, the rise of Stone Cold and the prevailing of the Attitude era on a whole was to credit for WWE winning the war.

Brisco made it sound like Vince McMahon did it all on his own, like one night he did one thing that set off the nuke that ended this whole thing. I give Vince credit, but some dominoes fell his way and WCW chewed itself up and spit it out. They were the Rocky in Rocky III and WCW was Clubber for 80-something weeks.

Granted the company made the DVD and there's going to be some bias.

Thoughts on it?

My take is you're a fag and should stop shoving hamsters up your ass.

**captaincharismark** · 09-02-2011, 05:13 PM

Definately another biased WWE opinion of how wrestling history happened. Not all that surprizing though since WWE has tainted every WCW or ECW project with all their propaganda. According to Vince, no one but WWE made an impact in pro wrestling, which is wrong, very egotisical and self righteous.

If WWE is so awesome, why do they rely on every WCW or ECW dvd to make profits for them? Note

on't answer it's a rhetorical question...

**Emperor Smeat** · 09-02-2011, 06:01 PM

I haven't seen the whole dvd but it does lean more pro-WWF accomplishments than WCW accomplishments especially after the NwO.

It is less bias overall than the Rise and Fall of ECW dvd that painted Bischoff as the really bad guy between him and Vince while making Vince seemed like he generally cared or wanted to help ECW on his own.

**Londoner** · 09-02-2011, 06:20 PM

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My take is you're a fag and should stop shoving hamsters up your ass.

**Londoner** · 09-02-2011, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by captaincharismark

If WWE is so awesome, why do they rely on every WCW or ECW dvd to make profits for them? Note

on't answer it's a rhetorical question...

Wtf are you on about with 'rely' on??

**captaincharismark** · 09-02-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TL

Wtf are you on about with 'rely' on??

In case you haven't noticed(which apparently you haven't)everytime WWE releases dvd's, be it WCW or ECW, they are instant best sellers. I believe the current "Best Of Nitro" is their second best selling dvd of all time. And every year, it seems there's a WCW or ECW related project in the works. You think that is a coincidence??? I don't think it is, cause apparently wrestling dvd's focusing on the past sell alot better than their current product. While "rely on" may have been a slight exaggeration, it is noticable that WWE cashes in on WCW and ECW at every opportunity...

**Londoner** · 09-02-2011, 08:02 PM

'Slight' exaggeration. Yes, if you say so. They do the DVD's cause they're good and make money. I don't see what's wrong with that.

**captaincharismark** · 09-02-2011, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TL

'Slight' exaggeration. Yes, if you say so. They do the DVD's cause they're good and make money. I don't see what's wrong with that.

I can see you missed my entire point above. If WCW and ECW didn't make an impact, as WWE propaganda would have you believe, then why do they sell dvd's about them? If anything, putting out those dvd's say the complete opposite. Hell, WCW was even on the verge of putting WWE out of business. And WWE stole basically the whole "Attitude era" idea from the rawness of ECW. So, for them to claim WWE was always the only big game in the wrestling industry is a laughable statement...

**DLVH84** · 09-02-2011, 10:24 PM

I say that the WWF would've died around late 1997-early 1998, if they didn't do the whole Austin vs. McMahon deal. Besides, it also forced them to break on one of their big contracts (the 20-year contract Bret Hart signed in 1996), due to their financial state.

**Mjdiesel** · 09-02-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DLVH84

I say that the WWF would've died around late 1997-early 1998, if they didn't do the whole Austin vs. McMahon deal. Besides, it also forced them to break on one of their big contracts (the 20-year contract Bret Hart signed in 1996), due to their financial state.

Wasn't Vince literally a phone call away to calling Ted Turner and basically giving up?

Of course we'll never hear about that in a dvd....That did in fact really happen.

**Theo Dious** · 09-02-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball

I haven't seen the whole dvd but it does lean more pro-WWF accomplishments than WCW accomplishments especially after the NwO.

No, they mentioned Goldberg.

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Originally Posted by Mjdiesel

Wasn't Vince literally a phone call away to calling Ted Turner and basically giving up?

Of course we'll never hear about that in a dvd....That did in fact really happen.

Yeah because the DVD should really focus on what almost happened, what might have happened, was close to happening, instead of, you know, what did happen. If you actually watch the DVD you will hear Mick Foley state "I didn't know how close we were to going out." What do you want, ten minutes of wailing and garment-rendering about how they might have lost?

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Originally Posted by Smelly Meatball

It is less bias overall than the Rise and Fall of ECW dvd that painted Bischoff as the really bad guy between him and Vince while making Vince seemed like he generally cared or wanted to help ECW on his own.

So, you're saying that Heyman didn't have a personal animosity for Bischoff that he didn't have for Vince? Or that Vince didn't really hand out checks to ECW to keep then going? Or that the DVD doesn't make the WWF look like assholes for putting HHH over Tazzz?

**BigCrippyZ** · 09-02-2011, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mjdiesel

Wasn't Vince literally a phone call away to calling Ted Turner and basically giving up?

Of course we'll never hear about that in a dvd....That did in fact really happen.

Really? I wasn't aware that things were ever really that bad. I'm not saying you're lying, but given that I haven't heard of it until now, I just find it hard to believe.

**Theo Dious** · 09-02-2011, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DLVH84

I say that the WWF would've died around late 1997-early 1998, if they didn't do the whole Austin vs. McMahon deal. Besides, it also forced them to break on one of their big contracts (the 20-year contract Bret Hart signed in 1996), due to their financial state.

So you're basically saying that, if not for Austin vs McMahon, the WWF would have died... before the Austin/McMahon angle began? Austin/McMahon didn't actually get started until after Austin became champion at WM14. I think you have your dates wrong.

**Theo Dious** · 09-02-2011, 11:32 PM

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Really? I wasn't aware that things were ever really that bad. I'm not saying you're lying, but given that I haven't heard of it until now, I just find it hard to believe.

There was genuine fear in the company as far as long-term survival was concerned, but I don't buy this idea that Vince's sweaty hand was trembling over the phone receiver as he fought to keep himself from tapping out to Billionaire Ted.

**BigCrippyZ** · 09-02-2011, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedious

There was genuine fear in the company as far as long-term survival was concerned, but I don't buy this idea that Vince's sweaty hand was trembling over the phone receiver as he fought to keep himself from tapping out to Billionaire Ted.

Me neither. I can believe and understand fear about long term stability, but I just don't buy that he was just going to call it quits after only a couple of years of struggling against the competition.

**Mjdiesel** · 09-03-2011, 12:02 AM

The whole funny thing about this is I'm pretty sure it was legal to oppose a wrestling federation....

The way Vince made it sound was as if it was his right to be the only show in town.

Not sure if that's how business works.

**Mjdiesel** · 09-03-2011, 12:05 AM

[QUOTE=Tedious;3619857]No, they mentioned Goldberg.

Yeah because the DVD should really focus on what almost happened, what might have happened, was close to happening, instead of, you know, what did happen. If you actually watch the DVD you will hear Mick Foley state "I didn't know how close we were to going out." What do you want, ten minutes of wailing and garment-rendering about how they might have lost?"

No. And way to miss the fucking point. I've watched the dvd (as I already stated) countless times. It was very much biased. McMahon would have rather took a 5 miler in traffic than EVER disclose that he was close to calling it a day with WWF. No one would expect someone to broadcast that information, but add that to Vince's "I never LOSE goddamnit" ego and its ever thus.

**Shisen Kopf** · 09-03-2011, 12:39 AM

Vince McMahon is a modern day Jesus Christ of rasslin. Do not besmirch his name. WWF beat the WCW because of Vince McMahon sign Xpac in 98. Xpac was what turned it to the WWF. All hail Xpac!

**Aguakate** · 09-03-2011, 12:43 AM

Vince McMahon owns the WWE.

The WWE was in a war against the WCW.

The WWE bought the WCW.

Vince McMahon won.

...pretty simple.

**Shisen Kopf** · 09-03-2011, 12:49 AM

If the WCW had won they woulda made a video tape in 2001 about how WWF was garbage and woulda had a nitro party in Stamford that night. Man I miss the nitro parties.

**Aguakate** · 09-03-2011, 12:52 AM

...I miss those shows they'd do down in Florida, near a pool...

...those were awesome...gave the show a whole different feel.

**Shisen Kopf** · 09-03-2011, 12:55 AM

Yeah the spring break shows were cool because Nash or Hall usually ended up in the pool. The WWE needs to have shows outside like that. I'm in Florida and me neighbor has a pool.

**Aguakate** · 09-03-2011, 12:58 AM

When the Bash at the Beach was ACTUALLY held at a beach, they were awesome too...

...Hog Wild, as well...

...Come to think of it, WCW was pretty innovative...they did things WWE hasn't done to this day.

...I mean...they had a Nitro INSIDE A MALL!

**Shisen Kopf** · 09-03-2011, 01:02 AM

As much shit as WCW gets, they do have some really good ideas. Like outside shows, Wargames, chucky feuding with rick steiner, just to name a few.

XL · 09-03-2011, 02:14 AM

Biggest issue I took with the DVD was the presentation of WWE as a tiny, family business that was being run out of town by a huge corporate machine.

Y'know, the same WWE that smashed the territories apart and became the "only gig in town".

Other than that it was pretty good.

**Mjdiesel** · 09-03-2011, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Aguakate

Vince McMahon owns the WWE.

The WWE was in a war against the WCW.

The WWE bought the WCW.

Vince McMahon won.

...pretty simple.

Yeah, but to say "Don't mess with Vince Mac-mahon..." and look furious while saying it---that's an incorrect assessment.

Gerald Brisco's world renown as being the biggest suckup to Vince known to man.

That aside, it's not like Vince was holding back for 83 weeks of losing the ratings war and going "Ok, im gonna strike here, try this and that".....

if that was the case (which it oh so fucking wasn't)....then that would be a correct assessment.

Vince won, no question about it and I think the better promoter won. But I have respect for Bischoff (not as a human, but as a businessman) so there's other factors other than not messing with Vince McMahon when the guy himself almost went under.

**Aguakate** · 09-03-2011, 03:10 AM

LOL dude, Jerry Brisco worked (works?) for the WWE...whaddaya expect him to say?

**Londoner** · 09-03-2011, 04:26 AM

Lol, nice pm MJdiesel. Loser.

**Londoner** · 09-03-2011, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by captaincharismark

I can see you missed my entire point above. If WCW and ECW didn't make an impact, as WWE propaganda would have you believe, then why do they sell dvd's about them? If anything, putting out those dvd's say the complete opposite. Hell, WCW was even on the verge of putting WWE out of business. And WWE stole basically the whole "Attitude era" idea from the rawness of ECW. So, for them to claim WWE was always the only big game in the wrestling industry is a laughable statement...

You have no real point. You're just whining really.

**Mjdiesel** · 09-03-2011, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by TL

You have no real point. You're just whining really.

I love TL. This boy is too complacent with his "anonymity" behind the keyboard.

He'll learn.

**Londoner** · 09-03-2011, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mjdiesel

I love TL. This boy is too complacent with his "anonymity" behind the keyboard.

He'll learn.

That's now 2 pms you've sent and 1 notification. You seem abit mental.

**Juan** · 09-03-2011, 04:51 AM

He used to send me PM's all the time. Just ignore them and he'll stop.

**Juan** · 09-03-2011, 04:51 AM

Either that or he'll get banned again. Which ever comes first

09-03-2011, 11:43 AM

He's such a fucking queer

**DLVH84** · 09-03-2011, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Tedious

So you're basically saying that, if not for Austin vs McMahon, the WWF would have died... before the Austin/McMahon angle began? Austin/McMahon didn't actually get started until after Austin became champion at WM14. I think you have your dates wrong.

Technically, the feud slowly began in September 1997, when Austin first gave a Stunner to McMahon. It was slowly building up, until the night Austin challenged McMahon to a match in April 1998.

**Captain of Fun** · 09-03-2011, 03:16 PM

I just got a PM from him asking which Halloween costume he should wear. What the hell?

09-02-2011, 03:33 AM	#1
Mjdiesel M. Harry Smi-rac Posts: 812	What was your take on the Monday Night Wars DVD? I own it and watch it regularly but some of it didn't sit right with me. Gerald Brisco saying "Don't MESS with Vince McMahon!" Yeah, I thought the self-implosion of WCW, the rise of Stone Cold and the prevailing of the Attitude era on a whole was to credit for WWE winning the war. Brisco made it sound like Vince McMahon did it all on his own, like one night he did one thing that set off the nuke that ended this whole thing. I give Vince credit, but some dominoes fell his way and WCW chewed itself up and spit it out. They were the Rocky in Rocky III and WCW was Clubber for 80-something weeks. Granted the company made the DVD and there's going to be some bias. Thoughts on it?

09-02-2011, 05:13 PM	#6
captaincharismark reeking of awesomeness Posts: 447	Definately another biased WWE opinion of how wrestling history happened. Not all that surprizing though since WWE has tainted every WCW or ECW project with all their propaganda. According to Vince, no one but WWE made an impact in pro wrestling, which is wrong, very egotisical and self righteous. If WWE is so awesome, why do they rely on every WCW or ECW dvd to make profits for them? Noteon't answer it's a rhetorical question...

09-02-2011, 09:14 AM	#2
Battlekat Posts: 210	It was a little biased (like most of their dvd's), but all in all it was ok from what I remember. I haven't seen it in like 6 or 7 years though. Enjoyed the best of Nitro dvd much more.

09-02-2011, 11:08 AM	#3
St. Jimmy Last of a Dying Forum Posts: 16,215	it wasn't very good, tbh.

09-02-2011, 11:46 AM	#4
whiteyford Out Of Step Posts: 12,059	History is written by the winners.

09-02-2011, 06:01 PM	#7
Emperor Smeat Former TPWW Royalty Posts: 66,676	I haven't seen the whole dvd but it does lean more pro-WWF accomplishments than WCW accomplishments especially after the NwO. It is less bias overall than the Rise and Fall of ECW dvd that painted Bischoff as the really bad guy between him and Vince while making Vince seemed like he generally cared or wanted to help ECW on his own.

09-02-2011, 08:02 PM	#11
Londoner One Of A Kind Posts: 22,178	'Slight' exaggeration. Yes, if you say so. They do the DVD's cause they're good and make money. I don't see what's wrong with that.

09-02-2011, 10:24 PM	#13
DLVH84 Samurai Rocker Posts: 2,876	I say that the WWF would've died around late 1997-early 1998, if they didn't do the whole Austin vs. McMahon deal. Besides, it also forced them to break on one of their big contracts (the 20-year contract Bret Hart signed in 1996), due to their financial state.

09-03-2011, 12:02 AM	#20
Mjdiesel M. Harry Smi-rac Posts: 812	The whole funny thing about this is I'm pretty sure it was legal to oppose a wrestling federation.... The way Vince made it sound was as if it was his right to be the only show in town. Not sure if that's how business works.

09-03-2011, 12:05 AM	#21
Mjdiesel M. Harry Smi-rac Posts: 812	[QUOTE=Tedious;3619857]No, they mentioned Goldberg. Yeah because the DVD should really focus on what almost happened, what might have happened, was close to happening, instead of, you know, what did happen. If you actually watch the DVD you will hear Mick Foley state "I didn't know how close we were to going out." What do you want, ten minutes of wailing and garment-rendering about how they might have lost?" No. And way to miss the fucking point. I've watched the dvd (as I already stated) countless times. It was very much biased. McMahon would have rather took a 5 miler in traffic than EVER disclose that he was close to calling it a day with WWF. No one would expect someone to broadcast that information, but add that to Vince's "I never LOSE goddamnit" ego and its ever thus.

09-03-2011, 12:39 AM	#22
Shisen Kopf They're eating the dogs.. Posts: 27,469	Vince McMahon is a modern day Jesus Christ of rasslin. Do not besmirch his name. WWF beat the WCW because of Vince McMahon sign Xpac in 98. Xpac was what turned it to the WWF. All hail Xpac!

09-03-2011, 12:43 AM	#23
Aguakate Posts: 6,350	Vince McMahon owns the WWE. The WWE was in a war against the WCW. The WWE bought the WCW. Vince McMahon won. ...pretty simple.

09-03-2011, 12:49 AM	#24
Shisen Kopf They're eating the dogs.. Posts: 27,469	If the WCW had won they woulda made a video tape in 2001 about how WWF was garbage and woulda had a nitro party in Stamford that night. Man I miss the nitro parties.

09-03-2011, 12:52 AM	#25
Aguakate Posts: 6,350	...I miss those shows they'd do down in Florida, near a pool... ...those were awesome...gave the show a whole different feel.

09-03-2011, 12:55 AM	#26
Shisen Kopf They're eating the dogs.. Posts: 27,469	Yeah the spring break shows were cool because Nash or Hall usually ended up in the pool. The WWE needs to have shows outside like that. I'm in Florida and me neighbor has a pool.

09-03-2011, 12:58 AM	#27
Aguakate Posts: 6,350	When the Bash at the Beach was ACTUALLY held at a beach, they were awesome too... ...Hog Wild, as well... ...Come to think of it, WCW was pretty innovative...they did things WWE hasn't done to this day. ...I mean...they had a Nitro INSIDE A MALL!

09-03-2011, 01:02 AM	#28
Shisen Kopf They're eating the dogs.. Posts: 27,469	As much shit as WCW gets, they do have some really good ideas. Like outside shows, Wargames, chucky feuding with rick steiner, just to name a few.

09-03-2011, 02:14 AM	#29
XL Feeling Oof-y Posts: 17,151	Biggest issue I took with the DVD was the presentation of WWE as a tiny, family business that was being run out of town by a huge corporate machine. Y'know, the same WWE that smashed the territories apart and became the "only gig in town". Other than that it was pretty good.

09-03-2011, 03:10 AM	#31
Aguakate Posts: 6,350	LOL dude, Jerry Brisco worked (works?) for the WWE...whaddaya expect him to say?

09-03-2011, 04:26 AM	#32
Londoner One Of A Kind Posts: 22,178	Lol, nice pm MJdiesel. Loser.

09-03-2011, 04:51 AM	#36
Juan Doin' It Right Posts: 35,461	He used to send me PM's all the time. Just ignore them and he'll stop.

09-03-2011, 11:43 AM	#38
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	He's such a fucking queer

09-03-2011, 03:16 PM	#40
Captain of Fun Member Posts: 1,467	I just got a PM from him asking which Halloween costume he should wear. What the hell?