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Old 09-19-2011, 07:25 AM   #1
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For those of you skeptical about CM Punk and "ball dropping"
You're so right.

I didn't watch NOC, but I read the results, and it's so stupid. They've managed to wash Punk down with pedigrees and powerbombs. Del Rio takes the title from him MITB style after he fended that off already once in Chicago. Then it's Cena's turn to beat Punk, which is fine, but then he actually goes on to win the title.

???????????????????????

Why didn't they just put the title on Punk and keep it there? He could be the outspoken WWE champ that constantly annoys the authority figures, and he could taunt them by being the champ. It'd just add more to it. Instead of HHH being the annoying prick heel that would fit well here, we're washed up in a sea of random shit. Nothing is resolved or changed, except for the fact that the WWE's next big guy just ate a pedigree and a loss to someone who isn't even going to be wrestling anymore.

And Cena's running around all fuel-injected from his feud with Punk with a brand new WWE title.

(I reserve the right to be hypocritical if Rock defeats Cena)

Honestly, we already knew Nash had it in for Punk, we knew HHH was the COO, and this PPV changed none of that. It didn't create new questions for its lack of conclusion. This must be the result of changes due to Nash's other projects or something, no? Congratulations, if so, for starting to fuck up hard with your next big star because of Nash.

(I reserve the right to be hypocritical if Rock goes off to film a movie during Survivor Series)

TLDR/i am retarded, THE PIONT IS THAT THE WEE IS NOT CAPITALIZING AS WELL AS THEY COULD HAVE THUS FAR ON THE RISING OF A NEW STAR!!!!!!





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Old 09-19-2011, 07:28 AM   #2
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I think the side action (Miz/Truth and Nash) was meant to be more important than the finish, instead it came out kind of confusing.

WWE has done a pretty good job of making things lead on into the next show lately.
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Old 09-19-2011, 08:31 AM   #3
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People have been pissing and moaning for most of CM Punk's tenure about how he wasn't being given the opportunity to participate in higher profile feuds and rightfully so (I truly believe he was under appreciated/misunderstood by Vince for awhile). Now he main events a pay per view called "Night of Champions" without an actual title at stake and is involved in a storyline that has taken precedent over SuperCena and the Heavyweight Championships, but people are still complaining.

At this same pay per view last year, Punk jobbed to Big Slow and his shitty KO punch in Chicago. I thought they dropped the ball on him then, but they've managed to build him up to this point and given him an opportunity to cut unconventional promos and say things about the company/executives/other wrestlers that no one else on the roster outside of Cena and Rock would be allowed to say.

It was almost 2 years after "Austin 3:16" that Stone Cold actually won the WWF Championship and he turned out O.K. It's only been 4 months since CM Punk cut his "worked shoot" that had so many people jumping on his nuts he needed Bella Powder for the chafing.

Let's give this storyline and Punk's direction time to fully develop and be fleshed out before we start saying they've dropped the ball. Especially with Miz/R-Truth getting involved and Vince's pending return.
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Old 09-19-2011, 08:36 AM   #4
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For the record I'm guessing that Johnny Ace wasn't texting Nash.
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Old 09-19-2011, 08:38 AM   #5
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I took one look at your signature and realised how biased the argument I was about to read was going to be.

The guy is main eventing PPVs above both world titles and with arguably the biggest star in recent WWE history. I think the match itself was overbooked shite, and his current direction is a little confusing, but this is only the start of Punk's second chapter. Sit it out, and wait - there are certainly more convincing things for him around the corner.

Just be grateful you're not a Christian mark instead.
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I challenge both of you to look beyond whether or not CM Punk belongs in the main event picture. This is not part of the argument, so shut up. It's about how something could be done much better, regardless of who or what it is. In this case it happens to be CM Punk. For the record, when Punk was holding out on resigning, I said that the WWE would be fine without him and that him leaving wouldn't hurt that much. But that isn't what happened. He's starting to get pretty big, and when the WWE begins fucking it up, and people say, hey, the WWE is fucking this up, there are better discussions to be had as opposed to "PEOPLE ARE BITCHING THAT THIS GUY DID THIS AND THIS" and blah blah.

Chavo, your assumption that I'm biased based on a graphic in my signature is far more biased than anything I said in the op.
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Old 09-19-2011, 08:55 AM   #7
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I don't mind Punks direction, as others have said, you gotta wait it out, nothings gonna happen instantly.

However, I am kinda disapointed by Cena's direction since the Punk feud. And even Punk called up on this when he said about how we're back to the status quo of Cena just coming out and getting his rematches. Punk never really got his 'rematch', instead, he beat Cena two PPV's in a row, and then went on to feud with Nash and Triple H while for no reason whatsoever, Cena gets more title shots.
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Punk will always be one of those guys who's credibility isn't damaged by losing. Didn't he go something like 14 PPVs without a win? Just sayin' that once they're done with this current storyline after HIAC, he'll probably have another reign and this "ball dropping" you speak of will be forgotten about.

Also, you hurt my feelings when you told me to shut up. Not cool.
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So glad I don't over-analyze things anymore. The last few months have been fun to watch and that includes last night. Cannot wait to see what happens tonight.
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I don't care if I'm a hypocrite for defending my opinion and then telling you to shut up.

There is something to be said about waiting to see how things play out. But it seems obvious that Survivor Series will have a bunch of reluctant faces beating the crap out of heels. Guy doesn't have to be pedigreed and be in some random weird shit storyline to make that happen. This thing is losing momentum.
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So glad I don't over-analyze things anymore. The last few months have been fun to watch and that includes last night. Cannot wait to see what happens tonight.
Agreed, as of late I've been watching in the same way I did when I was younger, without nitpicking at bad things and I've been enjoying the majority of the programming.

In the NOC thread CSL pointed out that some people seem to be viewing wrestling as if it were an HBO show or something. It's not, it's more akin to a soap opera, it will be ridiculous at times and not always make complete sense in terms of characters, but it will entertain if you let it.
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I DIDN'T WATCH IT, BUT LEMME TELL YOU WHAT I THINK...
My bad dude. I'll try not to let my homework get in the way of watching PPV's about men pretending to beat the shit out of each other in spandex so that I can reference things irrelevant to the topic.
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My bad dude. I'll try not to let my homework get in the way of watching PPV's about men pretending to beat the shit out of each other in spandex so that I can reference things irrelevant to the topic.
Wait what? So now you're too cool for wrestling? What is going on here? Why did you make this topic if you have better things to do?
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Agreed, as of late I've been watching in the same way I did when I was younger, without nitpicking at bad things and I've been enjoying the majority of the programming.
Fuck! Me too. Is this a new phenomenon when smarks get so smart that they actually go 360?

It has been a lot more fun lately, with the exception of the clusterfuck main event last night which I'm too stubborn to change my opinion about.
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We were all thinking of posting this the moment we saw the title of the thread.
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I'm obviously not "too cool for wrestling." I just had shit to do, and I didn't watch it. It has no bearing on the topic whatsoever. Why are you trying so hard to be a douche? Just be yourself, and if you end up being a douchebag, good for you.
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I challenge both of you to look beyond whether or not CM Punk belongs in the main event picture. This is not part of the argument, so shut up. It's about how something could be done much better, regardless of who or what it is. In this case it happens to be CM Punk. For the record, when Punk was holding out on resigning, I said that the WWE would be fine without him and that him leaving wouldn't hurt that much. But that isn't what happened. He's starting to get pretty big, and when the WWE begins fucking it up, and people say, hey, the WWE is fucking this up, there are better discussions to be had as opposed to "PEOPLE ARE BITCHING THAT THIS GUY DID THIS AND THIS" and blah blah.

Chavo, your assumption that I'm biased based on a graphic in my signature is far more biased than anything I said in the op.
How can you say the WWE has fucked up if we haven't even had the payoff/ conclusion of the storyline yet? Unless he goes out and jobs to Zack Ryder on Raw tonight, Punk's still in the highest profile feud in the WWE and will likely face off with and beat Nash eventually and continue up the chain the same way Austin did against Bret and Shawn during his run. Hell, like most memorable wrestlers that aren't John Cena.

Don't you think it's possible that they're building up to something bigger by introducing Miz/Truth? Don't you think it's going to make more people rally around Punk by him being fucked over in that match than having him win that match? Doesn't it make more sense to have your "next big guy" lose in the short term on minor PPVs and win in the long term on major PPVs like Survivor Series, the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania than be booked like Cena where he wins all the time and people grow tired of it?
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We were all thinking of posting this the moment we saw the title of the thread.
I would like everyone who was thinking of posting that comment the moment they saw the title to say so now.

For extra credit, explain how it's relevant to this topic.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:14 AM   #26
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Don't you think it's possible that they're building up to something bigger by introducing Miz/Truth?
No, I do not.
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I would like everyone who was thinking of posting that comment the moment they saw the title to say so now.

For extra credit, explain how it's relevant to this topic.
I'll assume since you have over 7,000 posts you know exactly why the majority of people were thinking of that little TPWW meme.

It's not 100% relevant. Neither is the Daniel Benoit comment. People are just shitting all over your thread, is all.
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Fuck! Me too. Is this a new phenomenon when smarks get so smart that they actually go 360?

It has been a lot more fun lately, with the exception of the clusterfuck main event last night which I'm too stubborn to change my opinion about.
I'm about to lose all credibility here, but fuck you guys anyways. I am a complete mark for the Divas title/division right now. Whew! That feels better. Only God can judge me.
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Daniel Benoit is going to haunt the shit out of Taint Whisperer and he'll end up going on one of those ghost hunter shows and have to tell some fat fuck who thinks he's a ghostbuster that when he's alone at night he gets the sensation of a bowflex cord tightening around his neck.
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I'm about to lose all credibility here, but fuck you guys anyways. I am a complete mark for the Divas title/division right now. Whew! That feels better. Only God can judge me.
Then, see you in hell... from heaven.

I honestly haven't given the Divas division a chance. I see what they're trying to do with Beth and Natalya, but it's always going to be a piss-break to me; pretty much the same way Henry is always going to be a big hoss to his critics. I will try give it a little chance though, since it probably deserves it for winning at least one of us over.
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I'll assume since you have over 7,000 posts you know exactly why the majority of people were thinking of that little TPWW meme.

It's not 100% relevant. Neither is the Daniel Benoit comment. People are just shitting all over your thread, is all.
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Shit I said
Years ago, people would discuss wrestling. What they thought sucked, what they didn't. Now people here just try extremely hard to shit. There's like a panel of dudes that ride into topics framing what you really said with a bunch of retarded stuff.

So, if I'm going to post something like this, taking the effort to make an actual argument is probably just a waste of time anyway. This whole "THE IWC IS SO CLICHE!" trend that people carry around in sarcasm is a block to reading comprehension, apparently.
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Years ago, people would discuss wrestling. What they thought sucked, what they didn't. Now people here just try extremely hard to shit.
You're such a mong. The ironing here is delicious

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This is not part of the argument, so shut up
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:43 AM   #33
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Angry
But if you want people to actually give a shit about your point, at least learn to not come across as an ignorant twat. Let's breakdown your mistakes to your level so you can understand.

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So context of what happened is lost. Backed up by you not thinking that they're doing anything with Miz and Truth where if you watched it, it would be obvious.

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A line of question marks? Let's read this post further as I'm sure there is an eloquent and concise point to be had with such a fine writing technique!

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You reserve the right to be a tosser if your fave guy does as he pleases, good work

Hope this helps with your future posts!

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I would give my opinion on this matter in this more than adequate thread, however, my opinion may be of such importance that it needs it's own thread.

Alls I know is, I definately couldn't express my view - which is the same as 50% of people here - in the thread for the PPV. I mean, what if my all important opinion were lost amongst everybody else's!?
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Alls I know is, I definately couldn't express my view - which is the same as 50% of people here - in the thread for the PPV. I mean, what if my all important opinion were lost amongst everybody else's!?
I dunno why, but I read all of that in Zack Ryder's voice, and made myself laugh.
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We were all thinking of posting this the moment we saw the title of the thread.
When I saw the thread, I thought there was a chance his balls really had dropped and he would become a developed character rather than a one-note douche beloved by the IWC because of their love for one-note douches.
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:03 AM   #38
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Hi, you must be new here.
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:12 AM   #39
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I meant in general.

Not a dig at anyone in particular. You will know those by their sledgehammer-like subtlety.
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