DISCUSSION - Is it stupid to have Hirohito be on RAW?

[Heyman]

DISCUSSION - Is it stupid to have Hirohito be on RAW?

From the sounds of it, this Hirohito character could be quite interesting...and controversial (for more info on this, check out the newsboard. I'll provide link in a minute).

However - does anyone else feel (besides me) that Hirohito is better suited for Smackdown? Here are my reasons:

1) Smackdown is in DIRE need to new star power. ANYTHING new that can get the fans more interested.

2) With so many established stars on Raw (and a few who are in store for a push), Hirohito is more likely to get buried on Raw.

Personally - I would have much rather seen Hirohito head to Smackdown to perhaps lead the other two Japanese guys that are there (I can't remember there names......since I don't get Smackdown.). I don't know about Hirohito's size, but I'm assuming that he's small. Perhaps he could've fit in the Cruiserweight division?

What's he going to do on Raw? Feud with Taijiri? Become a tag team with Taijiri?

Still - I don't understand why Raw is getting this NEW talent. Perhaps the rumors are true.............the WWE genuinely does care more about Raw, and genuinely does see Smackdown as the 'inferior' brand.

Originally Posted by Heyman [b]1) Smackdown is in DIRE need to new star power. ANYTHING new that can get the fans more interested.

coughMORDECAIcough

[PureHatred]

First off, Hirohito is Kenzo Suzuki, who's 6'3" 260 lbs. Good of you to assume all asian people are tiny though.

Secondly, with Mordecai coming in, the writers probably figured they couldn't properly introduce two characters on the same show.

Nice PureHatred. The Thrillers are making an impact right off the bat.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon coughMORDECAIcough

I realize that SD is getting Mordecai.

However - I think that ALL new talent should be heading to SD right now (atleast for the next little while). Smackdown needs to garner fan interest right now. Due to lack of star power, ratings are dwindling.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by PureHatred First off, Hirohito is Kenzo Suzuki, who's 6'3" 260 lbs. Good of you to assume all asian people are tiny though. Secondly, with Mordecai coming in, the writers probably figured they couldn't properly introduce two characters on the same show.

Like I said - I had no idea who this Hirohito character was.

As far as your second point is concerned, BULLSHIT. The WWE have introduced new characters back-to-back plenty of times (in a very short time span). Edge and Gangrel almost debuted around the same time.

Spike Dudley and Rhyno debuted on the same night. Justin Credible debuted practically around the same time as well.

John Cena, Randy Orton, Nathan Jones, and Brock Lesnar's debut's were too far off from one another either.

Smackdown's ratings are going to be dwindling right now anyway. You got the last few episodes of Survivor All-Stars on CBS and you have the last few episodes of aruguably the most popular show of ALL-Time in Friends. Just wait until these shows are finished and the ratings will probably go back up.


And you don't want to have two people, who are getting promos run for them, debut at the same time on the same show because you don't want to have one overshadow the other. Each guy looks more important if one went to Raw and one went to Smackdown.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon Smackdown's ratings are going to be dwindling right now anyway. You got the last few episodes of Survivor All-Stars on CBS and you have the last few episodes of aruguably the most popular show of ALL-Time in Friends. Just wait until these shows are finished and the ratings will probably go back up.

That's true, but Smackdown could also use some new heels right now. This Hirohito character might be able to fill that role (something which "John Layfield Bradshaw" will not in a zillion years).

Also - I think Hirohito will be less likely to get buried on Smackdown.

[The CyNick]

Well, one thing that hasn't been touched on and thats the fact that by my claender its NOT 1950, and therefore bringing in a guy whose character is based on being angry about WW II is doomed to fail.

How many people even know about Hiroshima, or even care? And beyond that, what Amercian faces are there for Hirohito to feud with? I guess thats why Jericho, Edge and Benoit are suedo Americans now.

Another problem, and this is second hand information, but I have not heard one positive thing about this guy in the ring, so liek I said I think he's doomed for failure.

In terms fo putting him on SD, I say why? The whole problem with SD is that they dont have ESTABLISHED stars. They will have no problem making guys like Dupree, Mordecai and Jindrak into stars, their problem is that they have a lack of guys that fans see as main event stars, especially on the heel side. Hirohito isn't an established star, so why add to the problem?

I remember when I used to care about this stuff.

[MVP]

Hirohito can definitely benefit from facing some of the more experienced roster on RAW even though he will possibly be buried.

If he's not then he'll get some good wins on his belt, move to Smackdown and be a credible superstar against some of its own blood.

Originally Posted by YOUR Hero I remember when I used to care about this stuff.

Even more evidence of the CWO trying be bury the wrestling forum. We're just 2nd rate to them up there.

Raw is overloaded IMO, right now. And Hirohito could be used on Smackdown as the new leader of Kyo Dai (Akio and Sakoda).

He could cut a promo about how under Tajiri, they were going nowhere, but under Hirohito "a true leader of men", Kyo Dai will come to be feared and respected. Follow up with a decisive victory over say Rikishi and Scotty or any other face team. In the following weeks, have Kyo Dai gain clean victories in singles matches, but then after the match is over, have them do a 2 on 1 attacks with Hirohito just watching (leader never sullies his hands unless he is in a match).

Have a credible midcard face confront Hirohito about the attacks backstage and get beaten down by Sakoda and Akio. Then later that night, have the face (who would be selling the VICIOUS beatdown from earlier in the night) job to Hirohito. The following week, have Hirohito cut a promo about how the other wrestlers don't respect Hirohito and Kyo Dai and how he will prove all the naysayers wrong when pyro starts goig off and Masks are being shown on the titantron. Ultimo Dragon (this isn't mark fantasy ) will come out and challenge Kyo Dai to a 6 man match for honour on the next smackdown.

Next week, Ultimo and his partners (I guess, Rey Jr. and Moore ) job (I can't believe I want Ultimo to job ) to Kyo Dai, due to one of the other guys getting pinned after not tagging Ultimo in. Ultimo SNAPS and starts kicking the hell out of his very tired partners, then Kyo Dai joins in and it's a 4 on 1 beat down. Next Smackdown, Kyo Dai comes out and introduces Ultimo Dragon as the newest member. Ultimo comes out in a black and gold mask (I know he has one like that) and a black suit (like Akio and Sakoda's ones).

[AareDub]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly Blah blah blah, something about Ultimo Dragon.

Sorry Funky, I read that Ultimo went back to Japan for a while and may not even be coming back to the WWE.

Originally Posted by ketchupisyourfriend Sorry Funky, I read that Ultimo went back to Japan for a while and may not even be coming back to the WWE.

You are trying to get me to knife you, aren't you?

This is about Hirohito taking over Kyo Dai, making it into a credible stable, then adding Ultimo Dragon (the only other Japanese wrestler on Smackdown) to round it out and give him something to do.

[What Would Kevin Do?]

Originally Posted by The CyNick Well, one thing that hasn't been touched on and thats the fact that by my claender its NOT 1950, and therefore bringing in a guy whose character is based on being angry about WW II is doomed to fail. How many people even know about Hiroshima, or even care? And beyond that, what Amercian faces are there for Hirohito to feud with? I guess thats why Jericho, Edge and Benoit are suedo Americans now.

WWII ended in 1945. Furthermore, most people know about Hiroshima. Afterall, it is a a subject that is taught in school, and anyone with a highschool degree should know about Hiroshima. Yes, I understand they may not know who Hirohito is, but when it comes to the dropping of the first A-Bomb, people should know about it...


And by the way, from the promo, it said Japan would rise again, not AMerica would fall. IN theory, they could use the character as a pro Japanese character interested in bringing respect. There is a possibility that this angle could not be anti-American... Chances are it will be though.

[AareDub]

Originally Posted by Funky Fly You are trying to get me to knife you, aren't you?

Show up dressed all in black, your hair in a black stocking, and we'll have ourselves a knife fight

I need to stop watching that movie. Hey, maybe I should post something on topic too....


Hirohito's only chance to get over is to be on Raw. I agree with what everybody else said about Smackdown needing established stars, not new stars. Actually, what Smackdown needs is a healthy Kurt Angle

[Mr. JL]

Yes, I do believe that i is stupid to have Hirohito debut on RAW.

BUT I believe that Smack Down has enough star power already but the only thing that is truly holding the Smack Down ratings down is the fact that the show is not live. If Smack Down was live then I bet the ratings would improve and even become better than RAW's ratings. So I doubt that sending in Hirohito would help any..

You are right when you say RAW has too much going on right now. With a Champion who's name is not Triple H, the loss of Stone Cold, Randy Orton's push, Shelton Benjamin's push, a returning Edge, Kane being ****ed over on a weekly basis, Jericho/Christian/Trish/Tomko feud, Matt Hardy/Lita patching things up, you got Eugene & regal, then somewhere in there fit in Triple H, Michaels, Flair & the women's division + some T & A.

So, all in all it is stupid to bring Hirohito to RAW he should have gone to Smack Down!

[PureHatred]

Those are all good reasons. But if you're going to put Hirohito on SD, you'd have to delay his debut until after Mordecai's. You don't want one debuting wrestler to distract from another.

[MVP]

Originally Posted by What Would Kevin Do? WWII ended in 1945. Furthermore, most people know about Hiroshima. Afterall, it is a a subject that is taught in school, and anyone with a highschool degree should know about Hiroshima. Yes, I understand they may not know who Hirohito is, but when it comes to the dropping of the first A-Bomb, people should know about it... And by the way, from the promo, it said Japan would rise again, not AMerica would fall. IN theory, they could use the character as a pro Japanese character interested in bringing respect. There is a possibility that this angle could not be anti-American... Chances are it will be though.

Hell I think most people with at least a junior high education should be familiar with Hiroshima. Hirohito should simply use Hiroshima as a reference to why Japan actually "went down" in the first place, not make it the central focus of his character.

I think Hirohito being a Pro-Japanese characrter can parallel with La Resistance being Pro-French. What I noticed is lately the foreign gimmicks have turned from Anti-American to Pro-Wherever you're from, and I think that adds more diversity to the roster, and allows fans to actually think about what other cultures are really like. Let's face it, Anti-American gimmicks are stale now anyways.

[SeanMC]

Why can't you have one guy debuting at the sametime as the other on the same show? I think that's a pathetic excuse personally. And i don't see the big deal anywayz, i reckpn this guy will be wrestling on heat in a few weeks time so no one will give a f-uck about him soon enough and this discussion will all be for nothing, then again i could be wrong.

[Mr. Nerfect]

If they build Hirohito up as a star wrestler, he and Mordecai will eventually be either seen as opposites or their paths will eet and one will be sent to Velocity.

I think on rAW they have a potential feud with Tajiri, as well as a returning big guy could play the role of his bodyguard. On Smackers, you also have the problem of Kurt Angle representing America, as well as being a heel. On RAW he can be more broad.

[Fox]

The whole "bitter over WWII" angle is going to drown faster than a one legged dog in a swimming pool. I mean, even the La Resistance gimmick isn't over, and the War on Terrorism is still fresh in people's minds.

I ****ing hate that every foreign wrestler the WWE gets their hands on has to be given a sterotype gimmick.

[Heyman]

Originally Posted by Heyman DISCUSSION - Is it stupid to have Hirohito be on RAW? From the sounds of it, this Hirohito character could be quite interesting...and controversial (for more info on this, check out the newsboard. I'll provide link in a minute). However - does anyone else feel (besides me) that Hirohito is better suited for Smackdown? Here are my reasons: 1) Smackdown is in DIRE need to new star power. ANYTHING new that can get the fans more interested. 2) With so many established stars on Raw (and a few who are in store for a push), Hirohito is more likely to get buried on Raw.

Alright,

I'll bump this thread back up.

Raw is STACKED right now. In my opinion, Raw has EVERYTHING needed right now in order to be a successful show. They are also at the point now where a few guys (who deserve TV time) may not get a sufficient amount of it.

In my opinion - push the debut of Hirohito a month or so back. Once the novelty of the 'Mordecai' character wears down, THEN you introduce Hirohito.

[Longshot]

from what I read Kenzo Suzuki is going to smackdown now and he isnt going to using the Hirohito character.