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Old 10-14-2011, 05:12 PM   #1
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What is workrate anyway?
Is there a clear definition? What does it mean to you? Is it important?

I always hear the term thrown around, and the best I can make of it is that is has something to do with how often somebody wrestles. That doesn't sound right, though. Does it have something to do with how good their matches are on average? Is it just a bullshit term created by people who think they know everything?

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Old 10-14-2011, 05:18 PM   #2
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Contribution to the match

If A = wrestler 1
and B = wrestler 2
and C = the energy in a match

when plotted on a graph something awesome happens.

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Old 10-14-2011, 05:19 PM   #3
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:20 PM   #4
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I think it is related to how many Unnecessary Flips per match you hit.

Or something about throwing out at least 15-20 moves that could be considered finishers.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:22 PM   #5
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Bob Backlund used to get a lot of appreciation for his workrate. I am unsure if he had ten friends, however.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:23 PM   #6
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I think he was at least friends with Jonathon Taylor Thomas.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:29 PM   #7
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Hmmm perhaps you're right, he may have claimed JTT as three seperate individuals.
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Definition: The performance level a wrestler puts into their matches judged by both a combination of skill and effort.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:32 PM   #9
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only people that seem to put any stock in "workrate" or band it around that way like it means something tend to use/accept it as a replacement for learning a bit about timing, pacing and structure and/or developing a personality.

i.e Davey Richards has fantastic workrate because he has great cardio which means he can cram even more random unnecessary stuff into a 9 minute match than your average bland guy in kickpads
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:33 PM   #10
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Workrate for me is basically how much you put into something.

You could be given a shitty angle but still put everything you have into it to make it entertaining for people. Then of course, you have people like John Cena who bust their asses pretty much every waking minute for their profession.

On the other hand you had the NWO in WCW, who were lazy and happy to just keep repeating the same process every week with no regard to what people 'want' or how it effects others.
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Hmm, I guess it's KINDA making sense, but it hardly sounds tangible at all.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:45 PM   #12
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It is intangible.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:57 PM   #13
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Is it important?
Wrestler A has an amazing workrate.
Wrestler B has an awful workrate.

Who looks better?

I'd say it is important.
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Old 10-14-2011, 05:59 PM   #14
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But if it's intangible, how can you tell? Sometimes, people just suck, but they try really hard. Sometimes, people are awesome, but they're lazy. So who would have a better workrate? Somebody who sucks and tries really hard or somebody who's good but doesn't try at all?
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I think I need to take you through the graph method once more.
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:02 PM   #16
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Wrestler A has an amazing workrate.
Wrestler B has an awful workrate.

Who looks better?

I'd say it is important.
Please don't confuse the science. We were working on the basis of Wrestler 1 and 2.
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The person who sucks but tries hard. As I said in my original post, they put more into it.

The lazy guy may be great, but sometimes just 'being great' comes down to luck. That same person may suffer an injury and may not be the same when they return. How far will their poor workrate take them then?
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Other than that explanation ABT, I'd say you're overthinking 'workrate' and should stfu. :foc:

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Definition: The performance level a wrestler puts into their matches judged by both a combination of skill and effort.
I was going to say something along these lines. It is kind of the same on the rugby pitch... the word "workrate" is often used. It's just amount of work you do and the effectiveness of said work.
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It's merely an insult for people that are perceived not to be pulling their weight or a compliment for somebody that is performing above expectation.
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Would you rather have Carlito or Kelly Kelly?
Come on, that's not fair! Carlito lost to Triple H in a match where No DQ applied to Carlito! Can you blame the guy for losing a bit of that fire?
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add "to get the most out of their opponents" to this and I 100% agree.....
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Work-rate doesn't exist. It doesn't mean anything. Those are facts.
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Supreme Olajuwon and Nicky Fives definitely defined workrate accurately. I always hate it when someone gets lazy in the ring and sandbagging.
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It's the rate of speed I work my pecker back and fourth with. I have a VERY HIGH workrate.
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Definition: The performance level a wrestler puts into their matches judged by both a combination of skill and effort.
This, pretty much. I think the problem people have though is when it comes to people like Davey Richards, and a lot of indy wrestlers, who put a ton of effort/energy into their matches, but do stupid shit (unnecessary moves, flips, etc), during their matches.

Davey Richards is a hard worker, and he busts his ass in the ring. However, he tries too hard to be stiff, and bust out tons of moves every match. Same thing with a lot of the Dragon Gate guys. They bust their asses, but their matches are ridiculous.

Compare them to someone like HBK though, who has superb "work rate" and is an amazing wrestler.

I guess what it comes down to is that you can have great workrate, but still be a shit wrestler. However, chances are, if your work rate sucks, your wrestling probably does too, with a few exceptions. Mainly guys like current day Mark Henry, who don't have to really bust their ass in a match, but still look great, because it goes well with the style/gimmick.

I think a good example of workrate is RVD. In the original ECW, he busted his ass, had great matches, and, to my understanding of the term, had a good work rate. However, in TNA, he just seems to go through a routine in his matches, and not really try, despite doing a lot of the same moves.

I guess it goes, in a sense, to passion. Who looks like they care, and who looks like they're just trying to get paid.
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Workrate is the number of hiptosses divided by the number of armbars times the number of sidewalk/Alabama slams.
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What does he say? I don't feel like watching an entire interview right now.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:11 PM   #33
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Come on, that's not fair! Carlito lost to Triple H in a match where No DQ applied to Carlito! Can you blame the guy for losing a bit of that fire?
Yes. Everybody has lost to Triple H at some point. It's just a fact of life.
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Old 10-14-2011, 09:35 PM   #34
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:08 PM   #35
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What does he say? I don't feel like watching an entire interview right now.

From what I remember he basically says its crap and means nothing.

You should make time for this though, I know you are a huge playa, but this deserves its time.
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Old 10-14-2011, 10:09 PM   #36
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No need for personal shots. I'm just watching something else on TV right now. I wasn't saying I was too good for it.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:28 PM   #37
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No need for personal shots. I'm just watching something else on TV right now. I wasn't saying I was too good for it.
Why do you feel you're too good for a 3 year old Al Snow interview?
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:31 PM   #38
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Why do you feel you're too good for a 3 year old Al Snow interview?
Well if you want me to be honest, SuperbrawlSteve's favorite interviews were at least two and a half years old with wrestlers who were decently popular for a bit before falling into cushy behind-the-scenes jobs, and I just can't put myself through the pain anymore. I miss that guy.
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Old 10-14-2011, 11:32 PM   #39
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