Better Wrestler #229

[Supreme Olajuwon]

Dolph Ziggler

VS.

John Cena

3 DAYS

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[Rock Bottom]

I'm voting for Dolph Ziggler. But, hey, if you're voting for John Cena, we can still be friends.

[RiX1024]

NICKY!!!! I mean DOLPHY!!!! gets my vote.

[Ruien]

John Cena, he carried the damn company for how many years? Really excited to see all the reasons people don't vote for him.

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Ruien John Cena, he carried the damn company for how many years? Really excited to see all the reasons people don't vote for him.

My personal standpoint is that I haven't enjoyed him in the ring other than pre face turn and very recently, wheras I have been a fan of Zigglers work since the start.

[XCaliber]

After passing him up the last two rounds Ziggler gets my vote he's way better in the ring and is more interesting on the mic.

[tjmidnight420]

Dolph. No questions. Thank you.

[Nicky Fives]

No way I can vote for Cena.....

[Corporate CockSnogger]

Very tough choice.

[Lock Jaw]

I vote Cena. Dunno. Dude is a massive Icon whether I like it or not. And very occasionally I have liked it. So he gets the nod.

[stultiloquy]

Gotta go with Ziggler.

Regardless of his status and accomplishments, Cena bores me to tears in the ring and annoys me to no end on the mic.
Ziggler is an excellent worker and seems to be continuously improving. Watching him rip Morrison apart right now only solidifies my vote.

[Shisen Kopf]

Correct answer is Cena because he has sweet shirts and hats and all that. Hats=serious business

[The Gold Standard]

Cena. Cena is a lot better than anyone gives him credit for. Ziggler may have more in ring ability, but Cena is miles ahead of him in everything else.

[Emperor Smeat]

Ziggler

[Hornicane]

Close call, but I went with Cena on this one. His schtick gets old, but he can do work.

[MVP]

Originally Posted by Lock Jaw I vote Cena. Dunno. Dude is a massive Icon whether I like it or not. And very occasionally I have liked it. So he gets the nod.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

#heel

[Innovator]

Ziggler makes others look good, he gets the nod.

[Aguakate]

LOL at all who vote for Ziggler over Cena.

In 5 years, maybe. Now? No.

[Rammsteinmad]

I love Ziggler, and have no problem with him winning this round, but I voted Cena.

Yes, Cena's spiel gets old and boring, but that's the writers, remember. Cena has proven many times over that he can work, he can cut promos when they're childish, and basically he's been the #1 for most of the last decade.

Dolph is incredible, and in a couple of years time I may have a different answer, but right now I gotta give my props to Cena.

[Anybody Thrilla]

I love Dolph Ziggler. He's incredible.

That being said, Cena has this intangible factor that makes certain situations feel truly special. Think about the match with Rob Van Dam at One Night Stand. That will never happen again, and if it weren't for Cena, it wouldn't have even been close to the same. Think about this year's Money in the Bank. Punk was awesome, but if he weren't up against Cena, it simply would not have felt the same.

As much as I really like a bunch of other guys on the roster, Cena's become an entity that none of them are right now. I realize that the reason for it is because he was continually shoved down our throats and people just got sick of him to the point where they were foaming at the mouth for change, but hey, it's working. He's a truly unique talent, and in those huge situations that only he can be a part of, he fucking delivers. Every time. I vote for Cena.

[KaosDarksol]

Cena... Dolph may be good in the ring but cena has the whole package

[Maluco]

The amount of time and work Cena puts in is phenomenal, but have never been a fan of his style of work, and obviously his whole persona is not directed towards me.

Really enjoy Ziggler as an athlete and the way he works just appeals to me as more natural in the ring. Maybe potential should not play a part as it is unfulfilled right now, but as a worker I enjoy Ziggler more right now from a wrestling standpoint.

No doubt, Cena can work, but as a style that regularly appeals to the eye in matches, it is Ziggler for me.

[Ruien]

Really have to love how the icon of this era is losing to a mid carder. John Cena puts butts in the seats, he carried the company, he has multiple 5 star matches, and even with all this he is losing because of the writers giving him a shitty character.

Lets put it like this, if Miz and Dolph were in the Wrestlemania main event, would it have been such a big deal? If CM Punk were to go against Dolph, would it have been such a big deal? Yes Dolph is good, but John Cena is the man. This is like saying Hulk Hogan was not as good as Earthquake, or Ken Shamrock was better than Austin, or Rhyno was better than The Rock.

Cena and it's not even remotely close. But you people are workrate nerds and will move Ziggles on.

[Aguakate]

Originally Posted by Gertner Cena and it's not even remotely close. But you people are workrate nerds and will move Ziggles on.

This.

I can't believe how close this actually is, though.

Crazy.

[Rock Bottom]

If you look at the topic, it says "Better Wrestler." I'm picking the one who wrestles better. Why the heck isn't everyone else?

[Aguakate]

Originally Posted by Rock Bottom If you look at the topic, it says "Better Wrestler." I'm picking the one who wrestles better. Why the heck isn't everyone else?

A long time ago I made the same argumente you're making, and I was told that "Better Wrestler" doesn't refer to just "Who wrestles better", but also to the "whole package".

[Lock Jaw]

Wrestler is defined as however you want to judge it.



That being said, if you have a different opinion then mine, it is wrong.

[Juan]

If Ziggler wins, we riot

[Rock Bottom]

I'm pretty sure this would be called "Better Corporate Creation" if that's what we were talking about!

[Supreme Olajuwon]

settle down, champ

[Supreme Olajuwon]

*chump

[MoFo]

Ziggler, one of two reasons I watch teh WWE

the other is Michael Cole btw

For the last time: actual wrestling ability is like one quarter of a successful wrestler:

1. Mic Skills
2. Drawing Power
3. Titles
4. Wrestling Ability

This should be the criteria for this topic, but you tards are basing this on who can fake wrestler better.

[Rock Bottom]

WHAT?

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Originally Posted by Gertner For the last time: actual wrestling ability is like one quarter of a successful wrestler: 1. Mic Skills 2. Drawing Power 3. Titles 4. Wrestling Ability This should be the criteria for this topic, but you tards are basing this on who can fake wrestler better.

So why don't we just set a criteria and each week, Supreme can announce the winner after doing the research and forgo the poll?

I'm basing this one off the fact that after a couple of months of him being traded to Raw, I stopped watching PPV main events he was part of because it was predictable (HUGE HEEL THREAT DOMINATE MATCH, Cena overcomes the odds with the 5 moves of doom) and eventually, switched off WWE entirely because his promos were formulaic as well as his matches. It was same shit day in day out and other than the Edge/RVD moments, he's not been interesting until now. I couldn't give 2 shits as to how much he's drawn for other people if there was any tangible evidence to back that up. I switched off so that's what I'm basing it on.

None of that's his fault, because on Smackdown and now more recently, he's been allowed to actually wrestle matches. I'm still a little turned off when he gets the mic, but that's the same with every goody two shoes face for me, he's just got the added bonus of some of his jokes making me cringe.

[Juan]

This is like Mr. Perfect vs. Hulk Hogan all over again

[#BROKEN Hasney]

Probably pretty much the modern day versions of them too. Except Cena can go when they let him.

[Aguakate]

Originally Posted by Juan This is like Mr. Perfect vs. Hulk Hogan all over again

OMG! Are you saying Ziggler is Mr. Perfect and John Cena is Hulk Hogan?!

OMG!