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Old 05-03-2004, 03:04 AM   #1
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DISCUSSION - Some Thoughts about Benoit, HBK, Val Venis, Christian, and Too Cool
DISCUSSION - Some Thoughts about Benoit HBK, Val Venis, Christian, and Too Cool


Chris Benoit Once Benoit drops the World title, is it possible for him to go BACK to Smackdown? Think about it - Benoit won the Royal Rumble, and came to Raw to CHALLENGE Raw's World title holder. Even though this loophole exists, is says NOTHING about a wrestler being allowed to permanently defect. Benoit was only allowed on Raw due to him being #1 contender, and then Raw champion. Should the WWE bring something like this up? (I know it sounds 'lame', but it also serves as a pretext in bringing Benoit back to Smackdown.......a time when Smackdown needs some of its former top talent back).


Shawn Michaels: Is anyone else besides me excited over the idea of Shawn Michaels turning heel? According to reports on the newsboard, there might be a heel turn for HBK tommorrow night (or somewhere in the not-so-distant future). Personally - I LOVE the thought of it. HBK is one of my favorite heels of all-time. Furthermore - HBK, as a heel, can feud against the likes of Jericho, Benoit, Matt Hardy, Edge, and Shelton Benjamin. Shawn Michaels has everything needed to be a TOP heel obviously (talent, mic skills, etc.). If Bret Hart is slated to come back, a confrontation with HBK of sorts would be cool as well. A part of me still wants to see HBK and Triple H be 'business partners' as heels (i.e. they don't like each other, but they work together......to keep the title between them).

Val Venis: From what I read, Val Venis won the IC title from Randy Orton on Heat. I didn't realize it was still 1999 (i.e. Val getting a significant victory, titles changing on Heat. ). Here's what I'd do with Val Venis.

Let him go by his REAL name.........SEAN MORELY. Val Ve....er Morely comes to the ring tommorow night (or the week after), and cuts a promo on his wrestling career......and how he's always been a "gimmick" (i.e. porn gimmick, RTC gimmick, T&A gimmick, Chief Morely, etc.). Finally - Morely just wants to be himself.....and wants to focus on his wrestling career and getting ahead.

Morely is a decent wrestler and has decent mic skills. I'm pretty sure that these things combined, can help Morely stay over......especially if he gets key victories. If a guy like Shelton Benjamin is getting over by just being 'himself', then why can't Morely? Obviously - Morely can do some stuff to keep the fans interested in him.

Christian: How would Christian look in Evolution? Assuming Triple H leaves and Orton takes over, how would Christian look there?

-Randy Orton
-Ric Flair
-Christian
-Dave Batista

Christian can then basically have a similar role as Orton did within the past year (i.e. play second fiddle to the leader, but still have significant matches and score significant victories). With Christian in Evolution, a guy like Jericho is automatically at odds with the stable..........and ditto for a guy like Edge...whose history with Christian would be brought up.

Too Cool: Assuming that the WWE sends GMS to Smackdown, I wouldn't mind seeing "Too Cool" (with Rikishi) being heels. It may not work, but I'd be willing to give it a try. As faces, Too Cool hasn't been popular since 2000. Think of Too Cool as heels. Think it could work? Too Cool could be a heel tag team, while Rikishi becomes a heel mid-card wrestler. A turn could be refreshing for their VERY dead characters.
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Old 05-03-2004, 03:20 AM   #2
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HBK needs to turn heel badly. He is so stale and boring right now.
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HBK needs to turn heel badly. He is so stale and boring right now.
I also like how HBK, for the most part, has been made to look on the same level as Triple H within the past quarter year or so. With Trips gone to film movies, HBK should easily fill the role as 'top heel main-eventer' (Orton is good himself, but not QUITE ready to be THE man quite yet).

HBK does a great job in making others look good. This bodes well for guys like Benoit, Jericho, and even someone like Matt Hardy.
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This is just going to be a short summary of my opinions on that matter.

-I agree with everything you said on the Shawn Michaels issue. I'd love to see Michaels feud with several guys saying none of them will ever be "The Next Shawn Michaels".

-Venis winning the title was just a joke wasn't it? I think he should remain the pornstar, but actually have him act sleazy, not just Mr. Venis a woman here. Maybe have him not respect women, and maybe try and buy Gail Kim for 20 bucks. I would love seeing him buy $500,000 of viagra and condoms and putting them on Eric Bischoff's account. VV should be allowed to be a focus part of RAW's entertainment, as well as the mid-point of its mid-card division. Image Venis trying to get Hurricane's measurements during a match in an attempt to have him make movies. In the ring they should make him look dangerous, like he's only using 40% of his potential, and then he's up to IC level. Have him almost go crazy in matches and have him look Benoit calibur, but then have him settle down and go cocky.

Venis is one of my most favourite wrestlers if you haven't noticed.

-I'd rather see Christian start his own stable, but wouldn't object if he was in it. Maybe Tomko and Batista could form a tag team (with the shortage and all)?

-Like the idea of the heel Too Cool. Rikishi would make a great challenger to John Cena, and S2H & GMS would make the second veteran tag team to go heel, forcing face rookie teams to surface.
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Old 05-03-2004, 03:39 AM   #5
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OK...

First, I totally gree with HBK as a heel. And I hope he becomes so arrogant that he has nothing to do with Evolution. I hope he's portrayed as a cocky asshole who only cares about himself.

The Bret Hart rumor is just the normal Net rumors that always bubble up whenever WWE is in Canada. He showed up on an MLW show and spoke to the crowd. In his own words he still has very little feeling in his left side so any return is years away if ever.

Val Venis did not win the IC belt. that "report" you saw was probably Wondermouse's thread where he plays with LC's mind. It was a good match and I agree that Venis is an underrated worker. Have a feeling he's stuck putting people over on Heat, though.

Christian and Trish would work great in Evolution. Once Triple H goes off to start filming, having a heel stable with Flair as the "brains" with Orton, Christian, and Batista as the wrestlers, with Trish as the hot heel eyecandy would be golden. Tyson Tomko can go back to whatever Slayer concert they found him at.

A Too Cool reunion with the same tired gimmick would probably get X-Pac heat. The writers might have to turn them.
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I'd love to see Shawn Michaels and Edge work a 20 minute match, only for HBK to hit the Sweet Chin Music and just stand on one leg and just ort of say, "Wow! I almost lost balance!" and walk off and get counted out, which JR would take as cowardly material, and King as Michaels not even needig to in Edge to know he's better than him.
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LOL @ Heyman actually thinking that Venis beat Orton for the IC Title on Heat.
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Agreed, HBK definitely needs to turn heel and feud with Benoit for the World Title, it'd give the title so much more credibility than it already has now since Triple H and Goldberg took away any of the credibility that David Arquette and Vince Russo didn't.

What I'd really like to see is Benoit, Edge, and Jericho form a Canadian Stable and feud with HBK and possilby revisit avenging the Montreal incident as their purpose. If Bret Hart's health wasn't so poor it'd be the perfect time for him to return.
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No more Canada vs USA stuff, it doesn't work, hasn't worked since Bret, wont work again, look forward people, not backwards.

Anyway, I think it makes sense to turn HBK at this point, the question is how do they get there and why is he going to turn? They need to come up with solid answers to these questions in order to make it effective.

HBK-Edge seems like a logical feud in the near future. Too bad HBK can feud with Christian though. Of course Edge/JEricho vs Christian/HBK would be some good stuff as well.

Speaking of Christian, I'd rather see him stay away from Orton, so he doesn't have to play second fiddle. First, I think that spot should be used for someone else who needs the spot to get over, and second I think Christian should be his own man.

Val is a goner. They basically had him using his real name, but they never gave him anything worthwhile to do. He can get over as a serious wrestler named Val Venis, which was the case at the peak of his career (IC title feud with Rikishi). However at this point, I feel he's one of those guys who the fans have seen get beat so much that they just dont take him seriously as a threat to anyone.

Too Cool reunion as heels, damn thats a bad idea. Riksihi and Scotty need to be faces, they kinda suck, but they are great as opening card acts on house shows to get the people going. I really hate GMS, so adding him to anything will make it suck even more.
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Anyway, I think it makes sense to turn HBK at this point, the question is how do they get there and why is he going to turn? They need to come up with solid answers to these questions in order to make it effective.
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Speaking of Christian, I'd rather see him stay away from Orton, so he doesn't have to play second fiddle. First, I think that spot should be used for someone else who needs the spot to get over, and second I think Christian should be his own man.
One reason why I'd prefer Christian over someone else (i.e. Maven) in Evolution, is to keep Evolution as an 'elitist' stable. If Evolution is inevitably going to replace Triple H with someone, then that guy better have some credentials! Shelton Benjamin may be a decent pic as well.

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Val is a goner. They basically had him using his real name, but they never gave him anything worthwhile to do. He can get over as a serious wrestler named Val Venis, which was the case at the peak of his career (IC title feud with Rikishi). However at this point, I feel he's one of those guys who the fans have seen get beat so much that they just dont take him seriously as a threat to anyone.
True, but the WWE keep hanging on to these guys. I mean seriously - why do they still keep Test, Val Venis, A-Train, etc. employed? Do up-and-comers actually 'get over' by beating these guys?

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Too Cool reunion as heels, damn thats a bad idea. Riksihi and Scotty need to be faces, they kinda suck, but they are great as opening card acts on house shows to get the people going. I really hate GMS, so adding him to anything will make it suck even more.
Meh - I agree. I figured that if a heel turn could revive the STALE Dudleys, then maybe it could work for Too Cool. Dudleys were also a great opening act for House Shows, but the WWE turned them.
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DISCUSSION - Some Thoughts about Benoit HBK, Val Venis, Christian, and Too Cool


Chris Benoit Once Benoit drops the World title, is it possible for him to go BACK to Smackdown? Think about it - Benoit won the Royal Rumble, and came to Raw to CHALLENGE Raw's World title holder. Even though this loophole exists, is says NOTHING about a wrestler being allowed to permanently defect. Benoit was only allowed on Raw due to him being #1 contender, and then Raw champion. Should the WWE bring something like this up? (I know it sounds 'lame', but it also serves as a pretext in bringing Benoit back to Smackdown.......a time when Smackdown needs some of its former top talent back).
Note to Readers - I have updated my original post with thoughts on Chris Benoit. Feedback is appreciated.
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Would be interesting to see if they bought that up.

After a number of unsuccessful title shots, he could go back to Smackdown and ramble on about what you said.
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Old 05-03-2004, 05:23 PM   #15
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OK, First about Benoit. Benoit going to smackdown might be a good idea, BUT, if Benoit moves to Smackdown, you only really have Edge as the big babyface. Shawn is turning heel very soon and I'll talk about that next. So if you do Shawn as the top heel and Edge as the top face, will that work? I stil don't see Edge as being a main eventer and I'd rather have him feud with Orton for the I.C. Title for a while and then move up to the main event. Who has Edge gotten a big win over to deserve that spot? And don't anwser "Kane" because that's bullsh**. So I would keep Benoit on Raw until Edge or someone else is worthy of being a top guy.


Shawn Michaels. Yeah, Shawn's turning very soon. It seems as they keep teasing a turn with him on every Raw, so most likely it will happen when Trips leaves. I just wonder what chracter he will take on as a heel.


Val Venis: Yeah, if Val beat Orton on Heat for the fk'n I.C. Title, I probably would of slit my wrists. What the FK kind of booking would that be? Anyway, as CyNick said, Val is basically finished and will never amount to anything more then a midcarder, who jobs a lot.


Christian: HUGE NO NO with Christian in Evolution. Orton and Christian have almost the same kind of character and are basically on the same level. Why do you need two of those guys in one stable? Evolution would just hold him back anyway. Evolution's main job is to get Orton over so come a few months, he is ready to lead the stable. Christian is better off being on his own and he is doing wonders right now in the midcards.


TOO Cool: Yeah, I fk'n hate these guys with a passion. They are a quick channel change for me. End of Story.
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Would be interesting to see if they bought that up.

After a number of unsuccessful title shots, he could go back to Smackdown and ramble on about what you said.
I'm thinking that the day after Benoit loses the title at a PPV(via screwjob), he can come out on RAW the next day and demand a rematch. Kurt Angle's music then hits, and he can come to the ring and explain to Benoit that he's CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to go back to Smackdown........since his stay on Raw was only allowed due to him being #1 contender and then World Champ.
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I'm thinking that the day after Benoit loses the title at a PPV(via screwjob), he can come out on RAW the next day and demand a rematch. Kurt Angle's music then hits, and he can come to the ring and explain to Benoit that he's CONTRACTUALLY OBLIGATED to go back to Smackdown........since his stay on Raw was only allowed due to him being #1 contender and then World Champ.
Yeah, and then when he's back on Smackdown he could complain about being dragged back even when he would win the next match. They could then do an angle in which he would have to fight for his right to leave Smackdown.

Kinda like the angle in which they guy has to win to keep his job, but with that difference of allowing him go to Raw.
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Too Cool: Something that I've been thinking about a lot lately since GMS came back... how cool are these guys? Back in the late 90s they were the Too Cool that was "Too cool for you." Now with the hip hop music and the outfits, Scotty 2 Hotty with his receeding hairline, GMS's beer belly....it's more of a "Too cool to keep up with the times" kind of cool. It's like the guy who acts like a badass because he's wearing a skintight Van Halen t-shirt and torn up jeans. If these guys wanted to go out clubbin with me, I'd pretend I didn't know them. For those of you who regularly check out the homestarrunner.com website, think of the Strongbad email labeled "Kind of cool" and you've got my point here.
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