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Old 12-16-2011, 05:07 PM   #1
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What do you think of Batista's comments?
According to Ryan Clark:

Former World Heavyweight Champion Batista spoke with The Daily Star in the UK to promote The Scorpion King 3 and talk about his MMA career. Here are some highlights:

The current WWE product:
“It’s brutal. I can’t watch it. I can’t connect with it. I no longer know this business. I don’t do PG wrestling.”

The Miz and today’s Superstars:
“Love me or hate me, when I was there everyone took one look at me and knew I could beat someone up. I don’t think they look at Miz that way.”

“It’s sad. It’s not their fault. These days the guys have their hands tied, they are so limited in what they can do. The difference is that guys like Rock, Austin, Triple H, excuse me, but they had to have the living sh*t beat out of them to get where they are. They went through war and the audience knows it and the audience appreciates it. The guys today will never get to that level. It’s sad, but that’s the reason for it.”

Just wondering what you guys think of what Batista said. Do you agree with him, or do you think he's just being a bitch? Because I think his remark about how he looks and how tough he is shows just how much of a mark he is for himself.
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Old 12-16-2011, 05:16 PM   #2
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The last point I completely agree with. I hate seeing artificially skyrocketed superstars and lack of physical independence. They talked about Johnny Nitro's parkour style and he never got to use it the way Jeff Hardy did ten years ago. I happen to like the Miz. Not crazy about this twitter integration. But still, it's the first time I've watched the show on a semi-weekly basis so I guess I can deal.
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Old 12-16-2011, 05:20 PM   #3
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@ "his MMA career"

He hasnt even had a fight yet ffs
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I'm not a PG hater but I think I may have an understanding of the "bigger picture", better than Dave. He was skyrocketted just like Miz and didn't have many good matches, and when he did they relied on unprotected head shots and lots of color. So whatever, Dave is our generations tame and professional Warrior.

He's become irrelevant overnight.
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Was he wearing a pink polo with a popped collar when he made these comments? This will have a tremendous bearing on my opinion on these comments.
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Batista has said he got into the business "to do what Austin did", and they essentially changed things up and made it PG. Not that it's surprising, but he makes it come off like "this is the the flavor of the month, I need to get into this! It'll never change!" He's a bandwagon jumper.

PG isn't the problem, it's the writing and WWE going after shitheads like Batista who have a good body and little else.
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I hate that it is PG because I think the product would be that much better if it wasn't. With that being said, the product is probably the best it has been in a short while. I feel like there is a lot of potential for the future if the WWE just let loose a bit.
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We're in the era of mediocrity, but it's hardly because you can't look at these guys and think "They could beat someone up."
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What CM Punk has done this year has been a lot better, fresh and entertaining than anything big Dave has ever done. Including his 2005 stuff when he legit was 'hot'.
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Well there is something to be said. Austins original iconic moment was being covered in blood, screaming, unwilling to tap to the Sharpshooter. That match made him a star.

That alone was not it, but hey, Ill play advocate. But the booking is the main difference.

But a PG product has not been a major boom since the 80s, and the most recent boom was during an adult swing.
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He does have a point with Miz.... the guy is entertaining as hell and great in the ring, but it doesn't look like he'd kick someone's ass in a bar fight.....
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What CM Punk has done this year has been a lot better, fresh and entertaining than anything big Dave has ever done. Including his 2005 stuff when he legit was 'hot'.
Good thing Bats was solely talking himself up and not comparing the new guys to legends from the Attitude Era.

OH WAIT.

I know people probably are going to pretend that Punk is as big as the Rock, austin, and Trips in their prime and all, but Bats' only comparison was between his look and the Miz's.

And it's true. Batista looked like a monster who was gonna wreck shit. Miz looks like a douche. This isn't going into mic skills, wrestling ability, etc., and while I'm not a fan of the Miz, I don't think that really matters in terms of this critique.

On a side note, how the fuck did I end up defending Batista?
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The WWE being PG isn't the sole reason for any problems or struggles with the company or else TNA would have somewhat better numbers due to their more "edgier" content in terms of blood, riskier moves, and swearing.

I think it was revealed either by Vince or somewhere else that being PG helps the WWE keep and gain a lot of advertisers who didn't want to associate with the riskier RAW/Samckdown shows even though the Attitude era helped a lot more in terms of ratings and viewer interest.
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WWE being PG isn't a problem, period. Shitty writing is shitty writing. The following started to die off during a much more risque brand of wrestling.
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Yeah, PG is huge for advertisers. It opens them up to bigger and more main stream ones. Something like their deal with Mattel shows that. That's an enormous deal for them because they now have a powerhouse behind their figure line, versus Jakks, who was basically wrestling figures and.... ????

PG wrestling can be entertaining and it can still be violent. Hell, I'm willing to bet they could get away with some blading without ruffling too many feathers. But the fact is that the direction of the company and writing is to blame for the shit side of their product and not the rating.

You don't need a TV-14 rating to have a monster like Batista to come out, beat the shit out of someone and have them carted off on a stretcher. You need it for every other word being a swear, buckets of blood and raunchy material. And frankly, all of those are a crutch to lean on for writers and bookers and not some magical formula that automatically makes something good.
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The problem with the product (if there is a problem, which I dont really think ATM) is stagnation. WWE tends to stagnate their product, and not allowing any new ideas/storylines to emerge.

But recently (dating to when Nexus angle started), I think WWE has been doing a great job. Sure. Nexus fizzled out, but WWE has been trying new things, pushing guys like Miz and Punk and letting Cena step aside for a bit. Cena is great, but WWE stagnated on him for too long.
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WWE is absolutely doing better. They've built and are building more stars in the past two years than they have since Cena got the top spot. Very few 2005-2009 got a push that kept going. But once 2010 hit, guys started to get pushes and keep getting pushed.

Punk, Cody, Ziggler, Del Rio, Mark Henry and Sheamus are either already seen as top stars or are being built to be top stars down the line between 2010 and 2011. I don't think you had that many between 2005-2009, to be honest. Even just looking at the established top stars in Punk, Del Rio, Henry and Sheamus. I honestly can't think of one between 2005 and 2009 who didn't have the rug completely pulled out from under them within three months.
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Yeah, but Santino gets a pass because he's rehashing 2 decade old Jay Leno routine innovative and hilarious. Plus, he was always supposed to be a fan insert bit of a loser.
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Good thing Bats was solely talking himself up and not comparing the new guys to legends from the Attitude Era.

OH WAIT.

I know people probably are going to pretend that Punk is as big as the Rock, austin, and Trips in their prime and all, but Bats' only comparison was between his look and the Miz's.

And it's true. Batista looked like a monster who was gonna wreck shit. Miz looks like a douche. This isn't going into mic skills, wrestling ability, etc., and while I'm not a fan of the Miz, I don't think that really matters in terms of this critique.

On a side note, how the fuck did I end up defending Batista?
It doesn't really matter what Batista was yapping on about, my comment still stands. Stop overanalyzing everything.
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:21 PM   #27
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It's Kane Knight. Overanalyzing and criticizing things on the internet is half of his daily routine.
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:21 PM   #28
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Old 12-16-2011, 11:45 PM   #29
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I think the WWE has more things going right for it right now than it did when he was around. And I think he's just jealous and/or pissed off that things didn't fall to shit when he left, they were able to find people to replace him and render him pretty much irrelevant because no one really gives two shits about him and his "MMA Career"..in other words he needed them more than they needed him. Probably quite the blast to his ego..
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:12 AM   #30
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He does have a point with Miz.... the guy is entertaining as hell and great in the ring, but it doesn't look like he'd kick someone's ass in a bar fight.....
Daniel Bryan is a legit looking bad ass.
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:16 AM   #31
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He's right to a degree about those before him busting their ass to get over but comparing himself to The Miz is like comparing apples to oranges there have been several main eventers that didn't look particularly tough.
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Old 12-17-2011, 01:43 AM   #32
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He does have a point with Miz.... the guy is entertaining as hell and great in the ring, but it doesn't look like he'd kick someone's ass in a bar fight.....
Neither did Joey Styles, but... well...

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Daniel Bryan is a legit looking bad ass.
It's the beard. Yeah, I know how great the guy actually is in the ring (and I'm not looking to turn this into a discussion about him being misused/buried/never-ammount-to-shit-in-WWE) but clean shaven, smiling DB doesn't instill the instant "don"t fuck with me" factor as the one who went to the Mike Knox School of Badassery.
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Old 12-17-2011, 02:09 AM   #33
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Old 12-17-2011, 05:03 AM   #35
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Old 12-17-2011, 07:05 AM   #38
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Old 12-17-2011, 09:23 AM   #39
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It doesn't really matter what Batista was yapping on about, my comment still stands. Stop overanalyzing everything.
Yeah, how dare I actually talk about what was said, rather than playing "sour grapes" along with you?
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Old 12-17-2011, 12:07 PM   #40
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Santino doesn't look like he could beat someone's ass.



And now he does.

See what a difference a change in character can make? Look is overrated.
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