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Old 03-10-2012, 07:18 PM   #1
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The official Marilyn Manson Born Villain Thread. [NEW VIDEO]




I love it. Can't wait to hear the album!

A few parts from his interview in Revolver Magazine-

Born Villain sounds like less of a throwback to his early records than an update of the post-punk music that originally inspire him.

"It doesn't really sounds like any of my old records," he admits, "In fact, it sort of sounds like what I listened to before I made records - Killing Joke, Joy Division, Revolting Cocks, Bauhaus, Birthday Party...

"It's very rhythm-driven," he continues, "and it's actually very bluesy. It's the first record where I repeat verses. I just sing the words in a different key, the next time. I've never done that before, because I've always felt like I needed to write a lot of words in the past. There's certain songs, like 'The Gardener' and 'Children of Cain' that really tell a story, so I put them in the center. When it's finally sequenced the right way, I think this will probably be the grandest concept record of all. And it's not as fictional as it might have been... It's not third-person."
The listening party is over, we repair to the living room, where - over absinthe for Manson, red wine for Revolver, and several handfuls of Gushers fruit snacks for both of us - we get down to dissecting the latest incarnation of his artistic evolution.


Q: Do you think the current mood of the country is less puritanical and uptight - and that we’re less consumed with looking for scapegoats - today than it was when Antichrist came out?

Marilyn Manson: No, I don’t think they care anymore. It’s what I’ve always said - although people always mistook it as me saying, “I Love Bush” - when there’s Republicans in office, it makes art more important. Now it’s sort of like San Francisco for the whole country. It’s like, “Yeah, man - free love! United Colors of Benetton! Let’s have fun! Let’s think about the trees, man. Let’s be green!” Anal sex is “green,” by the way - you don’t use condoms, you don’t make kids. So that saves the environment! Green thumb - brown thumb! [Laughs] I voted for the first time in this last [Presidential] election - maybe just to say that I voted for the black guy. Or maybe not. I just thought I’d do it, because I didn’t like Sarah Palin’s face. It was strange when I went to do it. I went in and mumbled my name, and they said, “Oh yeah, just go over there.” I didn’t show an ID or anything. So I don’t really understand how the whole process works. I think I’m more into, like, a hierarchy or a monarchy or a dictatorship...or a dick-taster ship. [Laughs]

Q: Several people, who knew we’d be interviewing you, asked, “Is he still scary?” Are you? Or is that just missing the point entirely?

Marilyn Manson: Yeah, it’s not about being scary. I’ve never found me scary. I mean, if I was a girl and I’d finished having sex with me, I’d be pretty scared. Which is why I use girls as AIDS tests - if they start dying 18 months later, I think, Oh shit, I’ve gotta worry! [Laughs] People expect me to be a “shock rocker,” but there’s nothing you can do anymore to be shocking. All you can do is be confusing. Don’t ever empty the bucket of mystery. Never let people define what you do. It’s not about zigging when you should zag. It’s not about doing something unprecedented and unpredictable. It’s just about never being a word, or something that is not in the process of a transformation.

Q: Where did the title Born Villain come from?

Marilyn Manson: Born Villain was not my original idea for the title. I was thinking of calling it Co-Morbid, but that sounded too mis-perceived death metal, because of the word “morbid” in it. Of course, the word refers to a psychiatry idea - and I don’t believe in psychiatry or psychology. I’m open-minded to things, but psychiatry is not really something that has ever proved to be successful. But co-morbidity is when you have more than one mental disorder, and they can’t prove which one you have. it’s really just an excuse to give people medicine, so that’s why I didn’t call it that. Born Villain started with me saying to someone, “Gentleman prefer blondes... but I’m a villain.” And villains have always been, for me, the most interesting and captivating and exciting - my favorite characters in any book or film.

Q: OK then, who are some of your favorite fictional villains?

Marilyn Manson: Well, you’ve got Ming the Merciless [from Flash Gordon], you’ve got Lucifer... People confuse Lucifer with Satan, but I like Lucifer, because he was strong. He was an angel cast out of Heaven bcause he was like, “Why the fuck fo you get to sit on the throne, motherfucker?” Lucifer’s the all-time one. Hannibal Lecter’s a good one. I think in most Edgar Allen Poe stories, the villain is always strong. I think Robert De Niro in Cape Fear, he was a great villain. That was a great movie, because Nick Nolte was technically more of a villain that he was. I like a movie where the moral code is ambiguous, where the protagonist-antagonist line is completely skewed. Dexter, strong villain. Boardwalk Empire, as show that I love, it’s hard to say who’s the real villain in that one. I like Chalky White - he’s black. Just wanted to give a shout-out to the black villains! [Laughs] Snow White, the witch is strong. Bobby Peru, Willem Dafoe’s character in Wild at Heart. Humbert Humbert in Lolita. Marcbeth is a villain. Dracula’s a villain. Frankenstein’s a villain. But they’re all victims of circumstance. It’s almost nature versus nurture. They’re fabricated. They’re almost built to play that role.



Q: In fact, most villains aren’t born.

Marilyn Manson: No, they’re not. That’s the irony there. Thanks for noticing that. You’re not born a villain. And the refrain of that song’s chorus is, “I’m a born villain/Don’t pretend to be a victim.” People assume that you’re born into it, but when you grow up with people always telling you that you’re doing bad things, that is nurture, not nature. So Born Villain is a contradiction in itself. But honestly,it’s hard to think of all the great villains... I don’t like women villains, though.

Q: Why not?

Marilyn Manson: Because they will cut your dick off and hurt you, metaphorically and spiritually. [Laughs] OK, I’ll tell you my favorite villain - Patrick Bateman from American Psycho. Most amusing villain. It’s a toss-up for people when they talk about the movie and the book, and I love both of them. Is it imagined? Is it a statement on how the boy next door can be everything that you don’t imagine him to be? Is it a comedy? Is it a horror story? It’s one of my favorite books, I would say. I find that character to be so humorous, because he cites pop songs as his reasons for doing his murders. And when you think about it, seemingly innocuous pop songs are the most violent. When you listen to something like Neil Diamond singing, “Girl, You’ll Be A Woman Soon,” that’s rapey! That’s like child pornography. There’s so much darkness in all those pop songs.







"EVERYTHING YOU DO IS A PIECE OF A PLANE PLUMMETING TOWARDS A PITIFUL, DYING EARTH BUT YOUR ART, WHAT YOU CREATE IS STEPPING ONTO THE BURNING WING AND FORGETTING SILLY THINGS LIKE LIFE AND DEATH FOR A MOMENT JUST TO ENJOY FOR ONE SECOND A GLIMPSE OF BEAUTY BEFORE YOU ARE REDUCED TO ASHES" - Marilyn Manson 12-15-1999

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Old 03-13-2012, 08:24 PM   #2
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Guess he did a good job then :-P
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:44 PM   #3
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Not bad...certainly better than some of his more recent efforts.
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Old 03-20-2012, 05:11 AM   #5
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fas...so-vain-301784

Johnny Depp and Marilyn Manson have been buds for ages, or at least since Manson's song, The Nobodies, was featured in Depp's 2001 movie, From Hell, about British serial killer Jack the Ripper. Depp even invited the heavily made-up Goth singer to his first Pirates of the Caribbean premiere at Disneyland back in 2006, much to the horror of parents who had brought small children to the event.

Now, these two eccentric chaps have collaborated on a duet (are you ready?): a cover of Carly Simon's infamous 1972 hit, "You're So Vain” -- a song reputedly written about actor Warren Beatty. The song will be included (*as a bonus track somewhere*) on Manson's upcoming eighth album, Born Villain, due out May 1.
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1. Hey, Cruel World
2. No Reflection
3. Pistol Whipped
4. Overneath The Path Of Misery
5. Slo-Mo-Tion
6. The Gardener
7. The Flowers Of Evil
8. Children Of Cain
9. Disengaged
10. Lay Down Your Goddamn Arms
11. Murderers Are Getting Prettier Every Day
12. Born Villain
13. Breaking The Same Old Ground

Track listing,
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Kinda sort of looking forward to hearing this. I like the new track but I thought his last few albums were terrible so I'm hesitant about this new one.
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Manson actually isn't too fond of them either- I thought they were good for what they were but compared to his older stuff, they were just pretty good/decent. He said they aren't playing any stuff from the last two albums.


from Music Network Magazine interview-
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Jumping from topic to topic with little to no steering, Manson begins to discuss what he refers to as his “sad era.” Intriguingly, the catalyst had less to do with his collapsing marriage with burlesque dancer Dita Von Teese and more with the death of gonzo journalism pioneer Hunter S. Thompson.

“I learned a lot from him and him dying became the era of me being kind of lost,” says Manson mid-monologue. “He was almost a mentor to me in a strange way and I don’t even know how he came into play. I became very self-destructive, then I went through a period where I made a few records. My last two records were where I was uncertain of who I was. I was trying to find myself.”

In fact, Manson views those records (2009’s The High End of Low and 2007’s Eat Me, Drink Me) with such pain and disconnect he refuses to play any of their tracks on this current tour. “Those two records where it was more romantically related, that era is more depressing than the previous era [the Columbine wake],” he realises. “It’s kind of unusual to think about it that way, and I’m only now coming to this conclusion as I’m sitting here saying it to you.”
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So sad to see VERY FEW fans of Manson here on the wrestling forums. smh. :/
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There's probably like 3 or 4 fans here, but yeah the clips are great. Even non-fans would like some stuff.
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Awesome!

I pre ordered the CD and vinyl.
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Pre ordered today well that and I bought Mass Effect 3

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Can't bring myself to drop cash on this just yet. I'll dl it once it's released and if it's any good I'll buy it, but yeah. Burned one too many times.
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Can't bring myself to drop cash on this just yet. I'll dl it once it's released and if it's any good I'll buy it, but yeah. Burned one too many times.
Cool, did you hear the previews before youtube took them down? I mean I do love all the albums but honestly from the clips the band hasn't sounded this good since Holy Wood 12 years ago.

the zip folder of .mov files somebody ripped when it was floating online- it was on the mexican itunes stores sunday... not sure if this breaks site rules or anything.

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A little off topic I will say the only thing that I'm upset about concerning Manson these days is his lack of a permanent band, I know a revolving door means different playing styles but I still miss a concrete MM.

At least concrete as far as Manson goes I mean.
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It's definitely the best thing work the band has done since Holy Wood and probably the most original album since Mechanical Animals. Upon my first listen I like every track. However not equally, I absolutely love Slo-Mo-tion, Children Of Cain, Flowers of Evil, Disengaged, Lay Down Your Goddamn Arms and Born Villain.

Pistol Whipped and No Reflection are good, but probably the least impressionable on me.

Wow. 2nd listen with headphones- No Reflection is still decent for a stand alone song but in retrospect the least impressionable and weakest track on this album. This entire album ignites the past 3 albums into ashes and blows them away into oblivion. This is the Marilyn Manson sound that was building up deep inside, ready to explode and decimiate and provoke Holy Wood to a dual at 6am, for no reason.
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This album DEFINITELY gives Holy Wood a run for it's money and I LOVE Holy Wood.
This is everything I like about Manson- dirty guitars, interesting lyrics, fucking-your-mother bass, orgasmic keys and layers, little sounds and samples here and there during random parts of different songs, beat driven funky danceable head banging riffs and beats.... what else am I missing here?
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Think my copy just got shipped out,looking forward too it.
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Old 04-27-2012, 09:24 PM   #27
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Liking it. May have to pick up the new album this week.
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Reminds me of Mechanical Animals/NIN for some reason,liking it so far though.
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For a very long time I thought Marilyn Manson was a woman
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For a very long time I thought Marilyn Manson was a woman
Well, he does like hairy blokes.
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