Better Wrestler #265

[Juan]

VS

Better Wrestler History#1.RVD vs CM Punk (34-19)#2.RVD vs Santino Marella (36-4)#3.RVD vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (15-23)#4."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Tully Blanchard (30-5)#5."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Chris Jericho (15-23)#6.Chris Jericho vs Brock Lesnar (34-10)#7.Chris Jericho vs William Regal (38-14)#8.Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (21-23)#9.Eddie Guerrero vs Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat (26-7)#10.Eddie Guerrero vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (26-19)#11.Eddie Guerrero vs Diamond Dallas Page (39-8)#12.Eddie Guerrero vs "Stone Cold" Steve Austin(19-28)#13."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Chris Benoit (32-13)#14."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (29-10)#15."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Sting (36-16)#16."Stone Cold" Steve Austin vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (32-31)#17.Hulk Hogan vs John Cena (15-24)#18.John Cena vs Lex Luger (32-6)#19.John Cena vs Ultimate Warrior (29-18)#20.John Cena vs Dean Malenko (9-40)#21.Dean Malenko vs Billy Kidman (31-7)#22.Dean Malenko vs Ultimo Dragon (22-15)#23.Dean Malenko vs Taz (15-17)#24.Taz vs Sabu (38-2)#25.Taz vs Jeff Hardy (25-16)#26.Taz vs Bam Bam Bigelow (26-12)#27.Taz vs Triple H (24-22)#28.Edge vs Christian Cage (22-23)#29.Christian Cage vs Raven (23-22)#30.Christian vs Matt Hardy (22-19)#31.Christian vs Ted Dibiase (24-25)#32.Ted Dibiase vs "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (16-19)#33."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs "The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith (25-19)#34."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs Bob Backlund (26-6)#35."Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs The Dynamite Kid (26-13)#36."Rowdy Roddy Piper vs Ric Flair (16-19)#37.Ric Flair vs Bret "The Hitman" Hart (19-17)#38.Ric Flair vs Andre "The Giant" (28-5)#39.Ric Flair vs Triple H (26-11)#40.Ric Flair vs Shawn Michaels (20-26)#41.Shawn Michaels vs Jushin "Thunder" Lyger (26-15)#42.Shawn Michaels vs Perry Saturn (36-12)#43.Shawn Michaels vs The Undertaker (29-11)#44.Shawn Michaels vs The Rock (28-30)#45.The Rock vs Trish Stratus (21-16)#46.The Rock vs Lance Storm (22-19)#47.The Rock vs Owen Hart (18-12)#48.The Rock vs Kurt Angle (5-24)#49.Kurt Angle vs Ken Shamrock (36-5)#50.Kurt Angle vs Rob Van Dam (23-13)#51.Kurt Angle vs "King Kong" Bruiser Brody (20-10)#52.Kurt Angle vs Mick Foley (31-6)#53.John Morrison vs Braden Walker (36-11)#54.John Morrison vs Kofi Kingston (34-5)#55.John Morrison vs CM Punk (14-28)#56.CM Punk vs Tajiri (28-20)#57.CM Punk vs Booker T (24-23)#58.CM Punk vs Samoa Joe (53-4)#59.CM Punk vs "Macho Man" Randy Savage (19-36)#60."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Adorable" Adrian Adonis (47-2)#61."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs Goldberg (49-4)#62."Macho Man" Randy Savage vs "Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig (31-38)#63."Mr.Perfect" Curt Hennig vs "Diamond" Dallas Page (51-17)#64."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs William Regal (37-18)#65."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Brock Lesnar (48-4)#66."Mr. Perfect" Curt Hennig vs Eddie Guerrero (39-40)#67. Eddie Guerrero vs Arn Anderson (33-22)#68. Eddie Guerrero vs Jake "The Snake" Roberts (37-36)#69. Eddie Guerrero vs Sting (41-16)#70. Chris Jericho vs Eddie Guerrero (45-18)#71. Chris Jericho vs Rey Mysterio (63-3)#72. Chris Jericho vs Kevin Nash (54-12)#73. Chris Jericho vs Dean Malenko (39-9)#74. Chris Jericho vs Ricky Steamboat (41-30)#75. Masato Tanaka vs Mike Awesome (24-18)#76. Masato Tanaka vs X-Pac (34-16)#77. Masato Tanaka vs Rikishi (36-13)#78. Brian Pillman vs Masato Tanaka (31-13)#79. Brian Pillman vs Road Dogg (44-7)#80. Ultimo Dragon vs Brian Pillman (29-28)#81. Ultimo Dragon vs Goldust (35-19)#82. Ultimo Dragon vs Barry Windham (36-9)#83. Ultimo Dragon vs Randy Orton (35-34)#84. Edge vs Ultimo Dragon (48-8)#85. Edge vs Jeff Hardy (54-5)#86. Edge vs Razor Ramon (44-21)#87. Ted Dibiase vs Edge (39-33)#88. Ted Dibiase vs Doink the Clown (59-4)#89. Ted Dibiase vs Rick Rude (34-20)#90. Ted Dibiase vs. Christian (39-32)#91. Ted Dibiase vs. Bret Hart (24-55)#92. Bret Hart vs. Scott Steiner (56-8)#93. Bret Hart vs. Christopher Daniels (47-15)#94. Bret Hart vs. Triple H (40-22)#95. Bret Hart vs. Shawn Michaels (26-47)#96. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (54-7)#97. Shawn Michaels vs. Bryan Danielson (36-12)#98. Shawn Michaels vs. Chris Benoit (38-33)#99. Shawn Michaels vs. The Rock (44-34)#100. Earthquake vs. Vader (10-65)#101. Vader vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (33-32)#102. Vader vs. The Great Muta (32-29)#103. Vader vs. Mick Foley (16-42)#104. Mick Foley vs. Al Snow (49-7)#105. Mick Foley vs. Jerry Lynn (41-11)#106. Mick Foley vs. Rob Van Dam (24-38)#107. Rob Van Dam vs. Tommy Dreamer (52-4)#108. Rob Van Dam vs. John Morrison (54-14)#109. Rob Van Dam vs. Owen Hart (36-36)#110. Rob Van Dam vs. The Undertaker (22-53)#111. The Undertaker vs. Owen Hart (62-16)#112. The Undertaker vs. Kane (63-3)#113. The Undertaker vs. Diamond Dallas Page (51-18)#114. The Undertaker vs. Ric Flair (44-43)#115. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Ron Simmons (33-25)#116. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. Juventud Guerrera (28-19)#117. John "Bradshaw" Layfield vs. The Big Show (25-39)#118. The Big Show vs. Sid (50-10)#119. The Big Show vs. Lance Storm (18-48)#120. Lance Storm vs. Meng (65-7)#121. Lance Storm vs. John Cena (53-18)#122. Lance Storm vs. Sting (23-50)#123. Sting vs. The Ultimate Warrior (57-18)#124. Sting vs. Dusty Rhodes (50-24)#125. Sting vs. CM Punk (41-32)#126. Sting vs. Randy Savage (27-50)#127. Randy Savage vs. Jim Duggan (65-7)#128. Randy Savage vs. AJ Styles (64-13)#129. Randy Savage vs. Booker T (61-16)#130. Randy Savage vs. Roddy Piper (55-27)#131. Rick Martel vs. Tito Santana (35-29)#132. Rick Martel vs. Shane Douglas (29-36)#133. Shane Douglas vs. Rhino (35-38)#134. Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett (30-36)#135. Jeff Jarrett vs. Mike Rotunda (30-38)#136. Mike Rotunda vs. Chris Kanyon (44-24)#137. Mike Rotunda vs. Barry Windham (38-17)#138. Mike Rotunda vs. Scott Hall (11-63)#139. Scott Hall vs. Goldberg (60-17)#140. Scott Hall vs. Kevin Nash (47-31)#141. Scott Hall vs. Brian Pillman (44-34)#142. Scott Hall vs. Edge (26-64)#143. Edge vs. Matt Hardy (71-12)#144. Edge vs. Arn Anderson (38-34)#145. Edge vs. Randy Orton (45-36)#146. Edge vs. Triple H (29-47)#147. Triple H vs. Batista (65-8)#148. Triple H vs. Raven (54-25)#149. Triple H vs. Ricky Steamboat (44-43)#150. Triple H vs. Eddie Guerrero (43-56)#151. Eddie Guerrero vs. Trish Stratus (58-12)#152. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Great Muta (47-11)#153. Eddie Guerrero vs. Curt Hennig (34-43)#154. Curt Hennig vs. Jerry Lawler (63-9)#155. Curt Hennig vs. Hulk Hogan (54-17)#156. Curt Hennig vs. Christian (47-26)#157. Curt Hennig vs. The Rock (31-44)#158. The Rock vs. Steve Blackman (54-22)#159. The Rock vs. Vader (54-14)#160. The Rock vs. Mick Foley (48-22)#161. The Rock vs. Bret Hart (42-49)#162. Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy Smith (70-8)#163. Bret Hart vs. Dean Malenko (52-16)#164. Bret Hart vs. Owen Hart (47-18)#165. Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair (53-32)#166. Barry Darsow vs. Ed Leslie (45-13)#167. Barry Darsow vs. Jacques Rougeau (17-38)#168. Jacques Rougeau vs. Evan Bourne (18-49)#169. Evan Bourne vs. Mr. Anderson (38-16)#170. Evan Bourne vs. Bryan Danielson(10-50)#171. Bryan Danielson vs. Billy Gunn (56-16)#172. Bryan Danielson vs. The Miz (42-26)#173. Bryan Danielson vs. Chris Benoit (27-40)#174. Chris Benoit vs. Chavo Guerrero (53-8)#175. Chris Benoit vs. Perry Saturn (48-13)#176. Chris Benoit vs. Lance Storm (36-21)#177. Chris Benoit vs. Ted Dibiase (41-34)#178. TAKA Michinoku vs. Sho Funaki (51-9)#179. TAKA Michinoku vs. Santino Marella (48-9)#180. TAKA Michinoku vs. Rey Mysterio (23-41)#181. Rey Mysterio vs. Gregory Helms (34-8)#182. Rey Mysterio vs. Jeff Hardy (41-18)#183. Rey Mysterio vs. Diamond Dallas Page (34-37)#184. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Big Boss Man (49-5)#185. Diamond Dallas Page vs. Yoshihiro Tajiri (34-18)#186. Diamond Dallas Page vs. CM Punk (19-41)#187. CM Punk vs. Terry Funk (35-18)#188. CM Punk vs. Kane (40-13)#189. CM Punk vs. Rob Van Dam (39-22)#190. CM Punk vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (39-37)#191. Ted DiBiase, Jr. vs. Cody Rhodes (23-36)#192. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (10-51)#193. Goldust vs. Shelton Benjamin (41-22)#194. Goldust vs. Rick Rude (21-37)#195. Rick Rude vs. Rick Martel (42-6)#196. Rick Rude vs. The Big Show (30-15)#197. Rick Rude vs. Jake Roberts (26-38)#198. Jake Roberts vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (50-16)#199. Jake Roberts vs. Arn Anderson (39-31)#200. Jake Roberts vs. Brian Pillman (34-20)#201. Jake Roberts vs. Edge (42-28)#202. Raven vs. Shane Douglas (45-6)#203. Raven vs. R-Truth (39-6)#204. Raven vs. Booker T (31-40)#205. Booker T vs. Jerry Lawler (37-20)#206. Booker T vs. Sheamus (51-11)#207. Booker T vs. Christian (21-33)#208. Christian vs. Jushin "Thunder" Liger (30-21)#209. Christian vs. Kevin Nash (30-24)#210. Christian vs. Randy Orton (41-22)#211. Christian vs. Eddie Guerrero (10-66)#212. Eddie Guerrero vs. Andre the Giant (55-16)#213. 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Billy Gunn vs. Scott Steiner (20-38)#239. Scott Steiner vs. Billy Kidman (28-26)#240. Scott Steiner vs. Alberto Del Rio (25-34)#241. Alberto Del Rio vs. X-Pac (29-25)#242. Alberto Del Rio vs. Cody Rhodes (19-44)#243. Cody Rhodes vs. Kofi Kingston (49-7)#244. Cody Rhodes vs. Dusty Rhodes (30-30)#245. Cody Rhodes vs. Goldust (18-31)#246. Goldust vs. Dusty Rhodes (31-15)#247. Goldust vs. Vader (29-39)#248. Vader vs. Yokozuna (55-8)#249. Vader vs Stan Hansen (31-10)#250. Vader vs. Mick Foley (15-41)#251. Mick Foley vs. Terry Funk (34-18)#252. Mick Foley vs. Santino Marella (60-2)#253. Mick Foley vs. Diamond Dallas Page (40-19)#254. Mick Foley vs. Edge (49-28)#255. Tajiri vs. Super Crazy (62-4)#256. Tajiri vs The Great Muta (17-35)#257. The Great Muta vs. Ultimo Dragon (32-28)#258. The Great Muta vs. Brian Pillman (32-21)#259. The Great Muta vs. Booker T (24-36)#260. Booker T vs. Ron Simmons (50-13)#261. Booker T vs. John "Bradshaw" Layfield (37-20)#262. Booker T vs. Daniel Bryan (28-20)#263. Booker T vs. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper (20-40)#264. "Rowdy" Roddy Piper vs. "Cowboy" Bob Orton (48-6)

Better Wrestler Hall of Fame"Stone Cold" Steve AustinTazKurt AngleChris Jericho"The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn MichaelsThe Undertaker"Macho Man" Randy SavageBret "Hitman" HartChris BenoitCM PunkJake "The Snake" RobertsThe Rock"Mr. Perfect" Curt HennigMick Foley

[Seth82]

definitely Piper for me

[Emperor Smeat]

Piper

[whiteyford]

Christian, Love Piper but have enjoyed Christian alot more overall.

[MVP]

I like Christian, but Piper should run away with this.

[Nicky Fives]

I love Christian, but this shouldn't be close.... Piper..... definitely belongs in the TP-Dub HOF.....

[Rammsteinmad]

Christian, easily. I'm a Peep, and a damn proud one at that.

Piper. Christian is a borderline mid carder.

[Immortal Moose]

Christian's great but Piper gets my vote again.

[Lock Jaw]

Christian for me, easily. One of my all time favs. PEEP POWER.

[XCaliber]

Piper he's better in pretty much every aspect.

[K.Smoke]

Wow another battle of the overrated. I have to go with Christian only because the fans love him no matter if he's heel or face at a time when its hard to stand out. We Have Dolph Ziggler Cody Rhodes 2 extremely good talents, yet Christians draws the crowds attention. Captain Charisma lives up to his name.

[CSL]

erm

[Wolfpack423]

I think Christian is one of the best male performers in wrestling. He's a good talker and has incredible in ring ability. Going to TNA was the best thing for him as he honed his skills and kept getting better. When he came back in 2009, he had the best weekly matches. I think he got screwed with the World Title. He deserved a longer reign. Piper is good, but I don't think his in ring skills are that good, and though he is one of the best talkers, I've always found Christian's oratory skills to be better. That's just my opinion.

[K.Smoke]

Wolfpack
I agree with everything u say(except for the 1 of the best male performer part) i just think that he's not as good as he's built up to be. I mean everywhere he went he climb to the top. Even in ECW and TNA. His accomplishments are Hall of Fame worthy my problem is that i just dont see why. I see so many good performers, good talkers some i think are really good like shelton benjemin, Dolph Ziggler... They struggle in WWE despite how good they are and Christian thrives there and I just don't see what makes him stand out.

[Wolfpack423]

Originally Posted by K.Smoke Wolfpack I agree with everything u say(except for the 1 of the best male performer part) i just think that he's not as good as he's built up to be. I mean everywhere he went he climb to the top. Even in ECW and TNA. His accomplishments are Hall of Fame worthy my problem is that i just dont see why. I see so many good performers, good talkers some i think are really good like shelton benjemin, Dolph Ziggler... They struggle in WWE despite how good they are and Christian thrives there and I just don't see what makes him stand out.

I see what you're saying, but I personally feel that Christian struggles just as much as they do. He has all the skills just like they do, but they only allow Christian to do so much because they don't want him eclipsing the other top guys. That's how I see it.

[K.Smoke]

Originally Posted by Wolfpack423 I see what you're saying, but I personally feel that Christian struggles just as much as they do. He has all the skills just like they do, but they only allow Christian to do so much because they don't want him eclipsing the other top guys. That's how I see it.

I would think that if i hadn't seen him in the spot light. But he was the top card and ECW(The WWE version) and the top card on TNA, he'll go down as a legend no doubt about it because of his accomplishments, but he will deserve the overachiever award.

[tjmidnight420]

Originally Posted by K.Smoke I would think that if i hadn't seen him in the spot light. But he was the top card and ECW(The WWE version) and the top card on TNA, he'll go down as a legend no doubt about it because of his accomplishments, but he will deserve the overachiever award.

Being the WWECW champion is ALMOST as good as being the IC Champion, and being the TNA champion is ALMOST as good as being the European champion. Both of which Christian have held. If you're citing overexposure, surely you'd want to use those championships instead? Of course you'd then have to realize that those are mid card championships, thereby defeating your own logic.

[K.Smoke]

Originally Posted by tjmidnight420 Being the WWECW champion is ALMOST as good as being the IC Champion, and being the TNA champion is ALMOST as good as being the European champion. Both of which Christian have held. If you're citing overexposure, surely you'd want to use those championships instead? Of course you'd then have to realize that those are mid card championships, thereby defeating your own logic.

I agree with u on the WWECW (Dont know if u invented that way of spelling it but you'll get the rep points for it I love that spelling) But I recognize the TNA as an individual championship since its an independent company thats still around. I see WWE as the majors but I do respect the championship of ROH because talent need to stand out there to get it. Not in the WWE same with IRA and TNA. U have to stand out there to get their titles. But at the end of the day he has captured the WWE WHC also. Maybe as a gift for leaving TNA but he did capture it. And at the end of the day stats will show that he has captured world titles everywhere he went. In tag and individual titles. But Mid carder is about where I would put him. Maybe even in the bottom half of star. But truth be told I'd rather see the awesome one... The Miz

I'm really surprised Shisen Kopf hasn't jumped all over K Smoke yet.

[Shisen Kopf]

Originally Posted by Gertner I'm really surprised Shisen Kopf hasn't jumped all over K Smoke yet.

I'll give him some time although he did neg rep me and said I was saying racist things. Which is a lie. Latin American countries arent as good as USA that's all.

[CSL]

he probably is K.Smoke

Naw, I think K Smoke is a real life black.

[Wehttam]

love me some piper.

[Road Warrior]

Piper is just on a different level

[El Fangel]

Much love for Christian. But just cannot vote against Piper.

[Ultra Mantis]

I've had more exposure to Christian being fantastic than Piper. Blame WCW.

[Keith]

Definitely Piper.

[K.Smoke]

lol! I don't compare countries I compare people. And ur statement didn't just say that the USA was better it said that theirs were shit. I know its just ur opinion and I'm never the one to say someone doesn't have the right to their opinion but i had to neg rep u for all the Latinos around the world. Strickly political. Hope u understand. lol!
Something like Jericho being suspended for making the fans hate him more kind of thing. U know!

[tjmidnight420]

I see where you're coming from. Personally even though he's a favorite of mine I put him about where WWE puts him. Upper mid-card/ main event jobber. I blame WWE for this though, as better handling of the Christian character would've resulted in both members of E&C in the main event.

Also, I didn't come up with the WWECW thing. That's what we've been calling that version of ECW here since it was brought back I guess. Not sure who came up with it, but I'm certain somebody here knows.

[SlickyTrickyDamon]

Christian wasn't the TNA Heavyweight Champion, he was the NWA Heavyweight Champion.

[K.Smoke]

Yes ur right slicky

and Tj I loved Edge in individual and in tag he was exciting. But I only liked Christian with Edge.
But lets see whats happening with him though. I like the thought of a fued with him and Cody Rhodes. I like Code Rhodes, but if they give Christians enough challengers as an IC champ, it could get exciting. We can see him against Rhode, Kidd, Ziggler and a few of the new talent b4 losing it to Ryback. With the extra hour of tv time the IC division has a chance to get real interesting again. He has a real chance here. But if he just loses it back to Rhodes smh. This could will be a dumb move for him.

[tjmidnight420]

Originally Posted by K.Smoke Yes ur right slicky and Tj I loved Edge in individual and in tag he was exciting. But I only liked Christian with Edge. But lets see whats happening with him though. I like the thought of a fued with him and Cody Rhodes. I like Code Rhodes, but if they give Christians enough challengers as an IC champ, it could get exciting. We can see him against Rhode, Kidd, Ziggler and a few of the new talent b4 losing it to Ryback. With the extra hour of tv time the IC division has a chance to get real interesting again. He has a real chance here. But if he just loses it back to Rhodes smh. This could will be a dumb move for him.

I agree that Christian was better with Edge in his first run than after they split up, but I feel like that was a booking call. Also agree Christian as IC champion has potential. Would love for the IC to become super-important again. I wouldn't even mind if they got rid of the US title to do it. Make it one division again, and make it important. That division was where the stars were born in years past, so really I wonder why they aren't making any now.

[K.Smoke]

yep we're on the same page as far as that go. I would also like to see guys go through these lower ranks b4 getting these major title shots. I mean i can understand D. Bryan cause of his history. But guys like Jack Swaggar and debately Dolph Ziggler(he was technically the champion), they're building them up too fast and the fall really hurts their career.