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Old 10-19-2012, 11:10 AM   #1
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Ken Shamrock, to WWE HOF?
Ken Shamrock, what an entrance to WWF in 1997, the special enforcer for Hart/Austin I Quit at Wrestlemania, who then moved into a feud with Vader in the following weeks. I firmly believe Shamrock is worthy of the WWE HOF if for only one reason. Tap Out. Before Shamrock submissions ended with the wrestler shaking his head "YES RING THE BELL!" or actually saying "I Quit", that was the idea at least. Shamrock introduced the UFC and Martial Arts world's "Tap Out" to get out of a tight hold in 1997. Though WWF at the time did not acknowledge this change, by the end of the summer of 97, most submission victories were due to Tap Out, notable exception Bret/Shawn at SS 97.



Ken Shamrock, HOF Worthy?

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Old 10-19-2012, 11:11 AM   #2
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for his in ring wrestling career I would say "meh nah" but the fact that a "celebrity" from UFC brought exposure to WWF and the fact that his career actually lasted a long while...I say "sure why not"
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:15 AM   #3
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Also that match I posted, is Ken's first WWE PPV match, it's stiff as fuck.
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Yes, he is HOF worthy or HOF material. He was a staple of WWF during this time. If Sunny, Drew Carry amd Yokozuna deserve to be members then Ken may be a no brainer.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:49 AM   #5
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Pretty sure it was Taz who brought 'tapping out' to pro wrestling.
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:52 AM   #6
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Yes, he is HOF worthy or HOF material. He was a staple of WWF during this time. If Sunny, Drew Carry amd Yokozuna deserve to be members then Ken may be a no brainer.
I can understand you putting Carey on the list, but Sunny and Yoko absolutely belong in the Hall.
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I can understand you putting Carey on the list, but Sunny and Yoko absolutely belong in the Hall.
For some reason my brain read that as "Sunny and Yoko absolutely belong in Hell"
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:16 PM   #8
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Don't really care, to be honest. If he goes in, good for him, and it'll be interesting to hear what he has to say during the induction, but I certainly won't lose any sleep about it if it never happens.
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nah...... He wasn't around long enough.... a lot of other guys deserve it before he does, which is a sentence every wrestling fan says about anyone not in the HOF already.....
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Old 10-19-2012, 12:35 PM   #10
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I can understand you putting Carey on the list, but Sunny and Yoko absolutely belong in the Hall.
Yeah. And Carey is in a wing they specifically set aside for celebrities so you obviously can't judge them on the same merit. Sunny and Yokozuna are WAY more "HOF worthy" than Shamrock though.
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Old 10-19-2012, 01:29 PM   #11
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Yeah. And Carey is in a wing they specifically set aside for celebrities so you obviously can't judge them on the same merit. Sunny and Yokozuna are WAY more "HOF worthy" than Shamrock though.
Not yet true. If anything they are on the same level. Ken's work performance and rate was also higher than Yokozuna's despite Yoko winning the big belt.

In approximately 2 years Ken...
  • Feuded with Vader
  • Feuded with The Hart Foundation (British Bulldog)
  • Fought Shawn Michaels as WWF Championship, title on the line
  • Feuded with The Rock
  • Won the 1998 King of the Ring
  • Feuded with Owen Hart
  • Was in a stable with Mankind and The Rock
  • Was a member of The Corporation
  • Was a tag team champion
  • Was a intercontinental champion
  • He held both of those belts at the same time
  • Feuded with Goldust
  • Feuded with Billy Gunn
  • Feuded with Val 'Short Penis' Venis
  • Feuded with the Undertaker
  • Feuded with Jericho
  • Brought the ankle lock submission into play which has since been used by Jack Swagger and Kurt Angle.
  • Brought 'tapping out' to WWF
  • Brought a lot of intensity

So yeah, Yokozuna had a powerful career with what may be described as a low work rate. In 2 years time Shamrock helped reshape the WWF during a state of growing fluctuation. At the time he was The World's Most Dangerous Man and this was literally true if you had experienced his UFC career up to this point in time.

Sunny was just tits and ass, a manager and a mouth piece. She was great but she was not a wrestler. Yes Sunny was as hot as the sun back then so Taker it Easy.


... and yes, Billy Gunn and Goldust deserve to be in the HOF.

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Old 10-19-2012, 01:49 PM   #12
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Give it to him. He was not poetry in the ring but the Lions Den matches and the submission specialist gimmick with anger issues was great back in the day. Big Shamrock guy in the day.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:25 PM   #13
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He was in the zone so yeah he should be in the hof
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:37 PM   #14
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Based on the very short time that Ken Shamrock spent in the WWE, I'd say no........but then again, there are certain people in the WWE Hall of fame that are less deserving and they've made the hall.
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:38 PM   #15
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Old 10-19-2012, 02:51 PM   #16
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I'd say no but then again its not like the WWE has any real requirements on who gets picked besides headliners being a really big star. Probably would follow the Tyson route of being included in the sense he was famous from another sport but spent a longer time than Tyson in the WWE.

He'd probably fit better in TNA's Hall considering he was their first ever heavyweight champion.
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Old 10-19-2012, 05:39 PM   #17
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I think TIE is drastically overstating the impact he had, but I'd have no objection to Shamrock going in.
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:18 PM   #19
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Not yet true. If anything they are on the same level. Ken's work performance and rate was also higher than Yokozuna's despite Yoko winning the big belt.

In approximately 2 years Ken...
  • Feuded with Vader
  • Feuded with The Hart Foundation (British Bulldog)
  • Fought Shawn Michaels as WWF Championship, title on the line
  • Feuded with The Rock
  • Won the 1998 King of the Ring
  • Feuded with Owen Hart
  • Was in a stable with Mankind and The Rock
  • Was a member of The Corporation
  • Was a tag team champion
  • Was a intercontinental champion
  • He held both of those belts at the same time
  • Feuded with Goldust
  • Feuded with Billy Gunn
  • Feuded with Val 'Short Penis' Venis
  • Feuded with the Undertaker
  • Feuded with Jericho
  • Brought the ankle lock submission into play which has since been used by Jack Swagger and Kurt Angle.
  • Brought 'tapping out' to WWF
  • Brought a lot of intensity
You're listing feuding with Billy Gunn, Goldust and Val Venis as reasons for him being more HOF worthy than Yokozuna??? lol

Yes he got an "In Your House" PPV title shot against Shawn Michaels (Forget the fact that it was one match and ended up as nothing more than a throwaway match ala Del Wilkes' shot against Bret Hart before). Yokozuna main evented WrestleMania 2 years in a row. And was actually the first heel to ever do so. He was revolutionary as far as monster heels go. Ken Shamrock never got near that level. He came in with a lot of hype, reffing the Austin-Hart match and in the end his WWF career ended up being underwhelming.
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Sunny was just tits and ass, a manager and a mouth piece. She was great but she was not a wrestler. Yes Sunny was as hot as the sun back then so Taker it Easy.
... What does her not being a wrestler have to do with it?

Do you think Mean Gene Okurlund or Howard Finkel deserve a spot in the HOF less because they weren't wrestlers?
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Old 10-19-2012, 07:30 PM   #21
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I would put him in, because as others have already said, HOF has a lot of people in it who either weren't great wrestler or weren't wrestlers at all. I thought Shamrock was a good wrestler and enjoyed his matches and think he should be in the hall just for the fact that he helped bridge WWE and MMA (and I believe, helped UFC gain more fans through exposure in the WWF)
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it'll be interesting to hear what he has to say during the induction.
It'll be slurred to shit from having the shit beat out of him over the last few years so if by "interesting" you mean "unable to ascertain what the FUCK he's saying" then yes, it will be interesting.
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Old 10-19-2012, 09:49 PM   #24
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You're listing feuding with Billy Gunn, Goldust and Val Venis as reasons for him being more HOF worthy than Yokozuna??? lol

Yes he got an "In Your House" PPV title shot against Shawn Michaels (Forget the fact that it was one match and ended up as nothing more than a throwaway match ala Del Wilkes' shot against Bret Hart before). Yokozuna main evented WrestleMania 2 years in a row. And was actually the first heel to ever do so. He was revolutionary as far as monster heels go. Ken Shamrock never got near that level. He came in with a lot of hype, reffing the Austin-Hart match and in the end his WWF career ended up being underwhelming.
That is less than accurate. The statement is not a statement to belittle Yokozuna yet rather a statement that they are both deserving.

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Old 10-19-2012, 10:48 PM   #25
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Yoko > Shamrock and its not even close..... sorry Ken
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Old 10-19-2012, 11:16 PM   #26
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I think Ryan Shamrock should also be in the HOF
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Old 10-20-2012, 09:03 AM   #27
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I'd say yes.

He was one of the top 10 stars during one of the Federations hottest points. He was super over with the crowd as an upper mid carder who could tangle with main eventers (i.e. Austin, Show, Rock, Michaels, Bret) and he brang submission empthasis to mainstream wrestling and in a sense some realism.
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Old 10-22-2012, 07:21 PM   #28
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Not HOF worthy.

Good wrestler. Just really glassed out because of better talent. If he were younger, he'd have probably been around longer and been more of a wrestling guy.

I will not argue that Ken Shamrock deserves to be inducted because worse people than him have been. A handful of HOF guys are not ones I'd put in.
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Old 10-22-2012, 11:17 PM   #29
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He's not going in my Hall of Fame, but in the WWE Hall of Fame sure let him in.
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Old 10-24-2012, 02:51 PM   #30
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Hell, why not? Lesser men are in there.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:36 PM   #31
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Koko B Ware is in the hall of fame.
Because of his work in the territories. It was also a sympathy vote, as his wife had just died of cancer.

You can debate whether Koko B. Ware deserves to be in the HoF, but it's not the punchline that a lot of uneducated fans make it out to be.
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Old 10-24-2012, 03:55 PM   #32
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Yeah I never got that point, theres different catagories or 'wings' so its not as if they were saying "Koko B Ware is better than Randy Savage, Warrior, etc".

Shamrock is a beast though, loved that guy. Steve Blackman is an ironic meme on here but guy had a great feud with Shamrock.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:00 PM   #33
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And I'm going to say no to shamrock. He wasn't around very long, and didn't have that much impact.

At the time, UFC wasn't even close to as popular as it is now, so while it was cool to see a ufc champ in WWF, it wasn't like if say Anderson Silva decided to join WWE.
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Old 10-24-2012, 04:00 PM   #34
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Yeah I never got that point, theres different catagories or 'wings' so its not as if they were saying "Koko B Ware is better than Randy Savage, Warrior, etc".
Exactly, he wouldn't be the main guy for that class and you can justify putting anyone into the HOF, Shamrock was over as fuck back then and is a former NWA champion too, wouldn't be a crime against humanity if they put him in and he no doubt will be at some point.
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Old 10-24-2012, 05:47 PM   #35
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Didn't realize he wasn't there for very long. I think he would deserve it for bringing tapping out to the wwe but besides that one point he didn't do anything too special and wasn't there long enough to be considered HOF worthy
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Old 10-25-2012, 07:19 AM   #36
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WHY THE FUCK HAVE I BEEN AGREEING WITH FAN FOR THE PAST 2 WEEKS? THIS MUST END.


With that said, I agree with Fan.
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