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View Poll Results: most unprofessional moment in wrestling
the curtain call 1 2.08%
jeff hardy incoherent main eventing a PPV 29 60.42%
bret hart refusing to do business in montreal 3 6.25%
vince mcmahon screws bret in montreal 3 6.25%
hercules no selling for sid 0 0%
hbk overselling on hogan 1 2.08%
the daniel puder incident 1 2.08%
fingerpoke of doom 2 4.17%
russo's BATB speech on hogan 2 4.17%
other 6 12.50%
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:31 PM   #1
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:33 PM   #2
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:34 PM   #3
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Not really a particular moment, but the tendency for male talent to patronize women wrestlers by letting themselves look weak against someone whom Hornswoggle could probably beat. For example, WWE lets Divas hit and perform wrestling moves on Superstars but not vice-versa.

The Indies have a ton of instances where a male wrestler just lets a woman wrestler beat on him for minutes at a time (e.g MsChif vs. Pete Maddox) instead of fight back, when that same guy goes toe-to-toe and even beats more established guys but somehow cannot muster enough strength to reverse anything that's not an Irish whip when fighting a woman. It's really obvious they're against actually making a woman take bumps, especially if they have a prematch spiel about wanting to fight a man instead.

Notable exceptions to this were Danny Daniels vs. MsChif and Ian Rotten vs. Mickie Knuckles. Those at least had a credible balance of offense on both sides. Women wrestlers will continue to have a low glass ceiling outside some Indy midcard title until they're booked to take a lot more punishment and have fewer contrived spots.
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Old 02-19-2013, 08:47 PM   #5
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Ditto. This is the definition of what an unprofessional moment in wrestling is all about.

Some people bitch about the Fingerpoke of Doom, but I still LOL everytime I watch the clip. I thought it was brilliant.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:17 PM   #7
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Not really a particular moment, but the tendency for male talent to patronize women wrestlers by letting themselves look weak against someone whom Hornswoggle could probably beat. For example, WWE lets Divas hit and perform wrestling moves on Superstars but not vice-versa.

The Indies have a ton of instances where a male wrestler just lets a woman wrestler beat on him for minutes at a time (e.g MsChif vs. Pete Maddox) instead of fight back, when that same guy goes toe-to-toe and even beats more established guys but somehow cannot muster enough strength to reverse anything that's not an Irish whip when fighting a woman. It's really obvious they're against actually making a woman take bumps, especially if they have a prematch spiel about wanting to fight a man instead.

Notable exceptions to this were Danny Daniels vs. MsChif and Ian Rotten vs. Mickie Knuckles. Those at least had a credible balance of offense on both sides. Women wrestlers will continue to have a low glass ceiling outside some Indy midcard title until they're booked to take a lot more punishment and have fewer contrived spots.
this is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever read, period. what wrestling have you been watching? i have seen numerous women beaten by men in a ring, put through tables, and generally treated like trash. especially in the indies. and do we not already know that the big muscle man can beat up the lady in most cases? do we need to see it? are you a woman beater yourself?
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:19 PM   #8
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LOL Curd wants male superstars to beat the shit out of Divas.

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Old 02-19-2013, 09:20 PM   #9
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:24 PM   #10
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:28 PM   #11
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One of my favorite moments in wrestling ever was when HHH and Stone Cold beat the shit out of Lita (and the Hardy's)
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:34 PM   #12
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Women haven't always been booked to be weak or anything. Chyna was Intercontinental Champion, Beth Phoenix eliminated someone (can't remember who) at a Royal Rumble a couple years back.

But I doubt we'll see it now. We don't want to get Bruno Sammartino mad, do we?

Still, Curd saying "Women wrestlers will continue to have a low glass ceiling outside some Indy midcard title until they're booked to take a lot more punishment" made me smile.
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Old 02-19-2013, 09:35 PM   #13
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The finger poke of doom isn't unprofessional, it's just bad booking.

Don't know how this can be anything but Jeff hardy. It was unprofessional from both Jeff and tna.

Still can't believe they actually let him go out. Of all the things they could have done when Jeff showed up fucked out of his mind, they picked the dumbest.
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Why can I not picture the Daniel Puder incident? Someone refresh my memory, please.
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when new jack threw that guy off the scaffolding was pretty unprofessional. but i cant pick one
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I don't get it. What happened there between Kurt Angle and this Daniel Puder fella that's "unprofessional"?
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I don't get it. What happened there between Kurt Angle and this Daniel Puder fella that's "unprofessional"?
Puder was supposed let Angle toss him around a bit, but Puder went off-script and tried to make Angle tap
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Old 02-19-2013, 10:27 PM   #22
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The curtain call to me is only as unprofessional because it was caught on camera. If it was done on a house show at, say, the Boston Garden (which WWF usually didn't film), instead of MSG (which they often did), it wouldn't have taken on the mythic nature it did.

Hercules-Sid probably just generated quite a bit of hits on youtube, from people wondering what it was. And it was on a major event. Unprofessional, yes, but up there in the obscurity with most of Brody's worst offenses.

Puder incident I wouldn't call unprofessional so much as I would simply call incredibly stupid. Angle was stupid to overestimate his shooting ability at that point in his life and underestimate the ability of Puder. WWE was stupid to think Angle shooting on a bunch of nobodies would be a good idea. Up there with the Brawl for All debacle.

Fingerpoke of Doom was an idea that shouldn't have left the door of the booking office. It could have actually worked in theory. The problem was, a meaningless title change that more or less reinforced the status quo was put up against the crowning of the most unlikely of WWF Champions. And most of WCW's night was spent burying the WWF Title change, being blissfully unaware that Mick Foley was one of the most likable people in the business. It was the second dumbest thing WCW did during the Monday Night Wars.

HBK's overselling was ridiculously stupid and was unprofessional as all hell. But I'd argue that it wasn't even the most unprofessional thing he did in his entire career ("I lost my smile," anyone?) My thing on this is that his overselling didn't really potentially endanger anyone, except maybe himself.

I'm putting both Montreal things together, as I don't feel the need to over hype it. Vince torpedoing one of his top draws for bullshit reasons is nothing new: just ask Wendi Richter. And promoters dicking over talent is as old as there being promoters and talent. This one is only special because it happened on PPV. As one of the biggest Bret supporters you'll meet (I even had his silver glasses at one point), he should have put Shawn over. Vince shouldn't have fucked Bret, either. This is probably number 3 on this list.

Russo's speech was unprofessional, and as ego maniacal as Hogan is, he doesn't deserve that treatment from a skid mark on the underwear of life that Russo is. Only one thing is worse than this in my eyes.

That, of course, was Jeff Hardy being too fucked up for a Pay Per View Main Event. I've said this before, and I'll say it again: shit like this is why TNA will FOREVER be a Busch League promotion. Imagine Shawn Michaels, at his prime of douchiness, showing up so strung out that he couldn't even walk straight going into the Main Event of Wrestlemania. You can't, because it wouldn't happen. Vince would take one look at him, schedule a beat down to keep him out of the match, and go straight to plan b, and be utterly pissed that Plan A was shot to shit. Brian Hebner shouldn't have been the first person to look at Jeff Hardy that night and realized "He has no business being in a wrestling ring." Sting going into business for himself was the best case scenario for this situation. It ended up being a disappointment and a travesty, but it could have ended up being a tragedy.

There's really no competition.
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Oh ok. Got it.

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Old 02-19-2013, 10:37 PM   #24
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Bob Holly no-selling Lesnar's powerbomb should be on there, except Holly kind of got his come-uppance on the spot... honestly though that still isn't as bad as Hardy. Hardy put people in danger by appearing in an unfit state to perform, he fucked with his coworkers by tanking their show and basically flipping the fans off. None of the rest of what was listed put anyone in danger (except the fingerpoke, which Nash is lucky didn't kill him.) The curtain call was a questionable judgment call. Montreal was a battle of egos and business. Puder put nobody but himself in danger with his asshattery and Kurt took the payment out of his ass on the spot. And you can actually justify things like Montreal, Michaels' overselling (and that wasn't even that horrible, people, get over it) but there is NO excuse whatsoever for showing up without control of your faculties. Also TNA management should have had their asses handed to them for LETTING him go out there like that.
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Still, Curd saying "Women wrestlers will continue to have a low glass ceiling outside some Indy midcard title until they're booked to take a lot more punishment" made me smile.
Made me a little hard actually.
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Women haven't always been booked to be weak or anything. Chyna was Intercontinental Champion, Beth Phoenix eliminated someone (can't remember who) at a Royal Rumble a couple years back.
It was Khali and it was one of the best Royal Rumble moments evarz.
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I voted Hardy incident.

Though I would add that I don't blame Hardy as much as I blame whoever in management was at Gorilla that night.

Sure Hardy is a douche for turning up in that state, but he's not the first and probably wont be the last to turn up too fucked to wrestle. What makes it stand out is that he was let through the curtain to compete, in a main event no less, at a fucking PPV.
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Also, what is the "Curtain Call" incident?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Kli...e_MSG_Incident
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XPac, Kevin Nash, Scott Hall, HBK and HHH were real good friends in real life, they were known as "The Kliq". Kevin Nash and Scott Hall were leaving WWF in 1996. WWF held a house show at MSG, and the main event was Kevin Nash (Diesel) vs HBK. After the match, HHH and Scott Hall (Razor Ramon) came out, and the four of them hugged. HBK and Razor were "good guys", HHH and Diesel were "bad guys", so for the 4 of them to hug and pose for the crowd was considered a cardinal sin within the wrestling business.
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I voted for Hardy, but I wanted to throw some love to Hogan no-selling Vader's powerbomb.

Vader was WCW's premiere monster, and their #1 heel. His powerbomb put Cactus Jack on the shelf for months, broke a jobber's back, and Hogan popped right back up after taking it. Vader was never the same after that, and within a year he was out of WCW altogether.
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but was hogan scripted to sell it? if they booked him to no sell it to hulk up like hogan had done to piper, orndorff perfect savage earthquake bossman etc etc , i wouldnt say it was unprofessional just bad booking
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Holly was unprofessional all around
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Mass Transit was crime in (and around) the wrestling ring.

Second comes Jeff Hardy, for reasons everyone else have eloquently explained.

Third is, and here comes the heat, Bret refusing to do business. I love Bret as much as the next guy, but you drop that title WHENEVER the company says so, for any reason. It's not yours. Especially when your contract is up, and there's a chance the title could end up on a rival promotion's television. Bret should have goddamn known better. Vince screwing Bret is not so much unprofessional as it was ruthless. He was protecting his business, and he was RIGHT to do so.
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What about when Saturn starting beating on that jobber for botching a move?

Also, I found the Gail Kim thing hilarious.
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First, lols @ Curd for wanting to see more women-beating in pro wrestling.

Second, voted Hardy. As others mentioned, it's the only one where he could have put anyone beside himself in danger.

Haven't seen the Sid/Hercules match, but for some reason I'm oddly curious to see it.

Finally, what was the deal with APA beating the shit out of Kronik during the whole Invasion disaster? was that unprofessional or something justified? Must admit I wasn't actively watching around that time, so only really read about this incident.
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Ohh. Told you I didn't really know about it
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