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Old 07-11-2013, 10:53 PM   #1
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The Ratings Debacle
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We have all heard stuff about WWE ratings being in the tank, but very little about how we actually consume the product.

I would like to know how the TPWW Forum actually watches WWE Raw on a weekly basis.

Do you watch live on the USA Network, do you DVR it for later watching, do you download it through a torrent site, do you stream through Hulu, or do you stream it weekly through another source?
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:07 PM   #2
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Usually watch it with about an hour delay on DVR so I can fast forward through commercials.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:11 PM   #3
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Usually watch it with about an hour delay on DVR so I can fast forward through commercials.
Yep. Also, I don't know if I'd class the company's current ratings as a debacle. Just growing pains in a down cycle. This is very reminiscent of 93-97 WWF, I feel.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:14 PM   #4
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It's not anywhere near that bad though. WWE, while not as successful as they were from 98-2001, is still a strong and healthy company. I think the issues overall are that wrestling has become a niche product again and they are spending a lot of money expanding into all forms of media/entertainment and failing because the WWE brand is stigmatized again as "rasslin".
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:16 PM   #5
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:16 PM   #6
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Yep. Also, I don't know if I'd class the company's current ratings as a debacle. Just growing pains in a down cycle. This is very reminiscent of 93-97 WWF, I feel.

I kind of pulled that from the Ryan Clark bs I read on the main page. The lower ratings are a direct result of how many distribution points we, as fans, have to watch the product.

I know that a billion dollar corp like WWE has people to study and analyze these things, but I wonder if they put a lot of stock into live viewership too.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:17 PM   #7
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I like to watch the steam on Sky Sports UK. I'm from St. Louis, MO and I just kind of get a kick out of the British commercials.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:20 AM   #8
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:25 AM   #9
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I watch it on Sportsnet 360 in Canada
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:58 AM   #10
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Fuck the ratings. If you enjoy the show that's all the ratings you should care about. Why worry about them. They are only for advertisement dick heads.

Usually watch it on DVR. Sometimes skip through a match here and there. Used to have a DVR (or something similar maybe capture card) where you could play it a little bit faster and still hear the commentary but not anymore.
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Old 07-12-2013, 02:04 AM   #11
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I watch Smackdown, Main Event, and NXT on Hulu, and I watch PPVs on wwe.com. If there was some way I could legally watch the east coast broadcast of Raw, I would; but I can't, so I watch it via a random online stream.
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Old 07-12-2013, 05:16 AM   #12
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:37 AM   #13
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TV ratings only matter for shows that are in danger of being cancelled, since I doubt very much that RAW would ever be cancelled it don't matter.

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I watch Raw live, I'll catch Smackdown if I happen to be home on Friday, otherwise I'll just skip it. I buy the Rumble, Wrestlemania and Summerslam to watch with friends, but download the other PPVs to watch at my convenience over the following week.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:11 PM   #15
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I watch Raw live, I'll catch Smackdown if I happen to be home on Friday, otherwise I'll just skip it. I buy the Rumble, Wrestlemania and Summerslam to watch with friends, but download the other PPVs to watch at my convenience over the following week.
This. Except I try and find a stream of the PPVs I don't buy if have any interest heading in.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:42 PM   #16
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We have all heard stuff about WWE ratings being in the tank, but very little about how we actually consume the product.
Really? People seem to talk about their viewing habits all the time.

M mostly YouTube or torrent stuff. I'm considering getting Hulu for a more reliable source I can watch more readily.

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Yep. Also, I don't know if I'd class the company's current ratings as a debacle. Just growing pains in a down cycle. This is very reminiscent of 93-97 WWF, I feel.
You know, ratings have been declining for almost a decade now. At some point, people have to give up this whole "natural cycle" nonsense.

Keep in mind that these are ratings that are below what they actually panicked once upon a time.

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TV ratings only matter for shows that are in danger of being cancelled, since I doubt very much that RAW would ever be cancelled it don't matter.

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Ratings matter to any show that wants to make money. I'm assuming WWE wants their shows to make money.
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Old 07-13-2013, 05:56 PM   #17
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The lower ratings are a direct result of how many distribution points we, as fans, have to watch the product.
That in itself provides a problem, however. Most of these points of distribution don't translate to ad revenue and the like for WWE. People watching it elsewhere doesn't change whether it's a "debacle" or not (it's more of a boondoggle).

Also, I'm not sure that asking on an IWC website is necessarily the best place to get a good picture. That's like going into a record store, polling people on music buying, and determining CDs are still a robust medium. TPWW is rife with people who will readily declare some of the lowest-rated shows some of the best.

And you know, that's fine. People can enjoy what they want (shock!). Fair enough. I enjoy the hell out of shows that wish they could get the ratings Raw gets on its worst days. But when you're looking for an overall state of the viewership, looking to people who think JBL had an awesome title reign is probably the wrong way to go.
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I used to watch Raw live on TV but then came a time where I couldn't afford the Sky Sports channels anymore, so I turned to online streams and I've been watching Raw live via streams ever since.

I also used to watch SmackDown on TV but since I cancelled Sky Sports, I've been watching SmackDown via video-sharing websites.

I did also used to watch Superstars on Sky1 but I stopped watching in March after I got sick of just watching recaps all the time. I even did a little "test" to see how much actual wrestling was shown during Superstars, and when I found out that only 12 minutes of wrestling was shown and 48 minutes was just adverts and recaps, I stopped watching and I haven't really watched it since.

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