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Old 03-23-2014, 07:13 AM   #1
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is TNA beyond repair? How can the Jarrett promotion be any different?
It seems every news post that concerns TNA is either negative or just plain underwhelming. My question is, can TNA turn it around or have they past the point of no return?

Now with the promosie of Jeff Jarretts new promotion, how will things be any different than WCW or TNA where they buy WWE off casts or hire people most of the general audience has not heard of?

Is WWE just too dominant for any other organization to start up (withouth having an initial 1 Billion)?



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Old 03-23-2014, 08:45 AM   #2
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Now with the promosie of Jeff Jarretts new promotion, how will things be any different than WCW or TNA where they buy WWE off casts or hire people most of the general audience has not heard of?
Aren't those the only two options?

I don't know how any company can compete with WWE at the moment without having a shitload of starting money. Even then it would be difficult to do and best case scenario it would take the better part of a decade.

It's kind of a catch 22. Wrestling isn't hot enough for another promotion to get big and in order for wrestling to get hot enough, WWE needs to have another major boom period. So either way their kinda fucked for a while when it comes to competing.
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Old 03-23-2014, 10:44 AM   #3
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TNA will never be on the level where they can compete with WWE- even WCW was only able to keep it up for a few years, and they were backed by a billionaire with his own network. And realistically, it's in their best interest to not get big enough to actually compete, because the second Vince and company see them as an actual problem, they'll shut that shit down quick-fast.

I have no idea how to "fix" TNA so that they can be profitable and good (most of my suggestions would amount to "make it more like NJPW"), but I do think one of their biggest problems in terms of attracting an audience is identity. Booking and match quality are important enough, sure, but people have to have a solid enough idea of who the hell you are first, and TNA has been all over the place since its inception. One minute they're resurging the X-Division, the next it's some stupid power struggle between authorities. Maybe they're trying to create an international flair with the X-Cup series, or maybe they're aping the Attitude Era. They've changed their logo at least two or three times in the last ten years- compared to WWE, who (apart from switching the F to an E) have changed logos once in over thirty years. For all of WWE's faults and frustrations, at least people know what the hell WWE is supposed to be on any given week.
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Kinda agree with Nowhere Man, they need to pick a 'direction' and actually create an identity for themselves. I watched a lot more of TNA when they had the six sided ring, an X division and less well known stars than I ever did after Hogan was signed and it became more and more like WWE lite.

I would much rather they strived to be the alternative, like a better produced ECW, they don't have to cater to PG ratings, which isn't an issue of itself, they aren't afraid to acknowledge talents past accomplishments in other promotions, they have a few talent sharing deals in place with Japan/Mexico after all. Like Fan said, I don't think any other company can compete with WWE, they need to find their niche and grow.
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TNA shouldn't be worried about competing with WWE, and marks shouldn't expect them to be as good as WWE. It's not realistic and a different kind of product.

They have been steady at 1.1 viewership for years, if they focus on those people, they will be fine, and maybe pick up some new viewers if they stay true to themselves and stop acting like they are a top promotion, which is not the case.

Everyone should stop comparing the two, as it is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Jarretts company can probably succeed if they try to just stay local and do shows like how the NWA did. TV to promote local shows and then see if people want to go to the spot shot.
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It seems every news post that concerns TNA is either negative or just plain underwhelming. My question is, can TNA turn it around or have they past the point of no return?

Now with the promosie of Jeff Jarretts new promotion, how will things be any different than WCW or TNA where they buy WWE off casts or hire people most of the general audience has not heard of?

Is WWE just too dominant for any other organization to start up (withouth having an initial 1 Billion)?
Really depends on what happens to their tv deal later this year considering the rumors regarding Spike. They've always had the potential of turning things around and/or building on their success but at the same time have also always been their own worst enemy.

On paper, Jarrett's promotion appears to follow advice Heyman offered to TNA years ago in using those early years dedicated to building new young stars for the future unlike TNA. The experience he had with TNA's mismanagement should also be enough to help the new promotion not follow the same mistakes TNA (and WCW) had.

Yes. The WWE at this point is like the NFL in terms of scope and size within the profession. Only reason WCW was able to hang around and be a legit threat was because of Ted Turner's cash and existing legacy with previous promotions.
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TNA shouldn't be worried about competing with WWE, and marks shouldn't expect them to be as good as WWE. It's not realistic and a different kind of product.

They have been steady at 1.1 viewership for years, if they focus on those people, they will be fine, and maybe pick up some new viewers if they stay true to themselves and stop acting like they are a top promotion, which is not the case.

Everyone should stop comparing the two, as it is like comparing apples and oranges.
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Like others said TNA will never be able to complete with WWE, and neither will anyone else. Fact is WWE is a juggernaut that is unstoppable at this point in the wrestling world.

TNA's best bet is too focus on a demographic that they already have, the smarky "WWE is shit" crowd. There's a cornucopia of people that complain about the WWE being too PG and not being entertaining because there's no blood and whatnot. If TNA focuses on those idiots they'll have a pretty decently sized fanbase that could keep them running for years to come. Downside is that that same fanbase isn't going to grow either, so they'd better be happy with a consistent but mediocre rating.

Option two would be to focus on bringing in international talent (which they seem to be testing out) and putting focus on a more fast paced and energetic product than WWE. Essentially focusing on the X-Division. This, like the previous idea, would bring in a select audience that would give them consistent but mediocre ratings.

All in all TNA just needs to realize their limitations and be happy with what they can get, which all in all isn't really that bad. I mean they're still one of, if not the highest rated shows on Spike network, and honestly their ratings are decent for any average cable show in this age of DVRs.

As for Jerrett's promotion, they'll never equal WWE. I'd say they're in the same boat as TNA. Find a niche and stick with it.
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I'm pretty excited for Jarrett's new promotion with Toby Keith and Kevin Sullivan. The idea of a reality show to lead to the debut is a good idea as well... The only stars he could snag to do anything would be Punk, Jericho, and I guess Goldberg. But I don't see any of those happening.

I'd book it with AJ as the lead babyface and use the best talent not signed by WWE that he can get. If he keeps it self contained and they stay in their own "universe" I could see it becoming a success. That success does not mean, rivaling WWE. They need to stay at a level where it's not in competition, but an alternative place to work and enjoy some new wrestling.

TNA is horrible and should close. But I'd hate for most that roster to join Jarrett. Only a select few. We don't want TNA 2, remember TNA 1 was WCW Russo 2.0
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I'm pretty excited for Jarrett's new promotion with Toby Keith and Kevin Sullivan. The idea of a reality show to lead to the debut is a good idea as well... The only stars he could snag to do anything would be Punk, Jericho, and I guess Goldberg. But I don't see any of those happening.

I'd book it with AJ as the lead babyface and use the best talent not signed by WWE that he can get. If he keeps it self contained and they stay in their own "universe" I could see it becoming a success. That success does not mean, rivaling WWE. They need to stay at a level where it's not in competition, but an alternative place to work and enjoy some new wrestling.

TNA is horrible and should close. But I'd hate for most that roster to join Jarrett. Only a select few. We don't want TNA 2, remember TNA 1 was WCW Russo 2.0
Wouldn't mind seeing Samoa Joe and Jeff Hardy Jump ship. Joe can put on a good match and Hardy is still a decent draw. I've also read that Daniels and Kazarian are done with TNA so them joining would be nice since they're pretty much the most entertaining tag-team in wrestling today.
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If jarrett is smart he will go back to strictly marketing his promotion at the CMT crowd and the south in general. Shit I would go full force and make the biggest Heel a NYC Liberal Queer. Pander to the southern christian conservative fan base! Become the Fox News of Wrestling.

That would never make billions but would be a solid paycheck.
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TNA was founded in the south as almost a throwback to the Southern Territories, and has struggled going between that mode, and trying to mimic the WWE.

So Nowhere man did nail it with their identity issues
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The identity issues is a good point. It seems that TNA has something that works, then they jump to something else to try and get bigger and they completely lose what they had in the process.
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Sullivan is an amazing booker so there's potential.

Downside is, does anyone remember how awful early TNA was when Jarrett did everything? The Johnsons, masterbating midgets, the old ticket lady whacking guys with brooms. I have a feeling with Jarrett and Keith that it's going to be too "Southern".
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If jarrett is smart he will go back to strictly marketing his promotion at the CMT crowd and the south in general. Shit I would go full force and make the biggest Heel a NYC Liberal Queer. Pander to the southern christian conservative fan base! Become the Fox News of Wrestling.

That would never make billions but would be a solid paycheck.
YES. Be the regional flavor for where most of your shows will be held. As Gertner pointed out, it shouldn't be too much carnival-like but still give a nod to tradition.
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Jarrett is a smart man..... his company will never rival WWE, but should be entertaining if he was left in charge, ala TNA prior to Dixie Carter
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TNA doesn't seem to have a solid grasp of what they're doing. When they signed Angle and Christian, I felt like they had two guys with a lot left in the tank to contribute in building their future stars like AJ Styles, and the incoming Samoa Joe.

They also still had Jarrett, another good, if not spectacular hand to have in your main event and upper mid card to help build up your young guys. Then, none of that ever happened.

The way they handled Joe early on was amazing. He was an unstoppable fucking beast. They somehow managed to fuck that up. AJ Styles should have been their cornerstone, but that went nowhere and now he's gone, when he should be their John Cena.

Feel like if TNA just focused, and returned focus to making new stars with the old ones they had, and used decisive booking, they could legitimately build up their fanbase and become a very respectable number 2 promotion.

Signing guys like Sting, Flair, Foley, Hogan, Bischoff, Angle, Nash, Hall, Booker T, Steiner, etc have done nothing for the company.

JR has said it quite a few times, but bloody, racey, provocative material doesn't equal good material. There's a huge difference. TNA doesn't need any of that shit to distance themselves as an alternative. They need to realize the future is the young guys who they have on their roster.

I will give them credit, Bully Ray was a brilliant idea, and what I have seen from his has been great. That's what they need to keep doing. Building new main eventers from scrap, or finding a way to repackage older guys and turn them into main eventers for their company.
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I understand that people complain about too many "backstage segments" in TNA but I really don't see the huge problem with the product as a whole. Magnus is a great choice for the main antagonist for the company (young, great shape, soild talker), they're building him up by putting him over Joe. Storm and Gunner feud seems to be the other focus right now, two guys who are really showing what they can do in the ring. Not a huge fan of "Willow" but I find his stuff with Spud and EC3 entertaining. Now that they've added more International stars (maybe we'll see more of that German guy soon ) I think they have a solid show
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The Impact after Lockdown was the first episode I'd watched live in months. It was also the first wrestling show I'd seen in ages where every single segment had a purpose and characters were developing all up and down the card. That's what I like about TNA at the moment. They don't have the money or the history of the WWE but fuck, it actually seems like they sit down and write the show and matches and segments happen for a reason. It's awesome.
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Also, I said this in another thread. I'm not even a Gunner fan but the feud with James Storm has been stellar.

As for Willow, it's weird but I lost interest in Jeff Hardy a long time ago. So it's a welcome change to have him just be weird as fuck and gimmicky.
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Lol TNA can be repaired with duck tape
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According to Heyman, accent the positives and minimize the negatives.

Push whatever you have that's better than WWE. If it's better women's wrestling, more edgier angles, the X division, etc. They need to put that to the forefront. Minimize the fact that your wrestlers are not mainstream... yet.

They should move into making the product sort of a wrestling laboratory to find that next wrestling craze before the WWE, if possible.
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According to Heyman, accent the positives and minimize the negatives.

Push whatever you have that's better than WWE. If it's better women's wrestling, more edgier angles, the X division, etc. They need to put that to the forefront. Minimize the fact that your wrestlers are not mainstream... yet.

They should move into making the product sort of a wrestling laboratory to find that next wrestling craze before the WWE, if possible.
Honestly, I think TNA missed the boat a longggggg time ago.

I view it as nothing more than the "Hey, look at me! I'm Dixie Carter!" show.

I would suggest that they change the name again and "reset" much like WCW tried to.

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Lol TNA can be repaired with duck tape
Actually they could take themselves to the next level by signing hot free agents like Vacant and ???.
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If jarrett is smart he will go back to strictly marketing his promotion at the CMT crowd and the south in general. Shit I would go full force and make the biggest Heel a NYC Liberal Queer. Pander to the southern christian conservative fan base! Become the Fox News of Wrestling.

That would never make billions but would be a solid paycheck.
The problem is that TNA is not anything like those southern territories.

While I do not think highly of the South itself (sorry!), I have some degree of respect for the territories of that area. They knew how to tell a story in the ring, even if some folks didn't get a fair shake.

TNA is trying wayyyyyyy too hard to be the WWE. They need to think like Smoky Mountain of the early 90s or Jim Crockett Productions of the mid-1980s. The wrestling is what draws people in, not the banal storylines and fake characters. That stuff is all secondary to ring action.

TNA, in the first phase of their existence, understood that very well. Forget about it now.

I think that Jarrett can succeed if he takes the best parts of those territories and modernizes them, but with less gimmicks and flash. Kinda like Smoky Mountain was.
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Yeah, it's all about the in-ring action. That's why ROH is the #1 brand.
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