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Old 08-04-2014, 09:53 PM   #1
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How many people has John Cena given "The Kiss of death" to?
Pretty much what I mean is after they lose to Cena their career go down hill and eventually into the crapper. Never to recover. (like that Rusev thread slik posted awhile ago)

I can think of a few off the top of my head:

Khali (Loses to Cena Judgementday 2007)
Tensai (Lost to Cena shortly after his debut)
Ryback (lost at Payback to Cena then slowly went down the card)
now it looks like Cesaro could be the next victim

Who else am I forgetting?



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Old 08-04-2014, 09:54 PM   #2
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Old 08-04-2014, 10:02 PM   #3
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None.

The writers and bookers on the other hand......
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:02 PM   #4
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Barrett while he was leading the Nexus. For a while after he lost to Cena he was awful. Lately though he has seemed to have gotten out of that funk.
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:18 PM   #5
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I thought Tensia was like 3 and 0 against Cena. Then his gimmick fell flat so they jobbed him out.
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Old 08-04-2014, 11:57 PM   #6
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Yeah I wouldn't put Tensai on there. He was going to fall flat either way. That gimmick may have worked in Japan, but there was no way it was going to fly here.

Everyone knew it was just A-Train with some kanji on his face. And Albert was never a big deal in WWE.
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Old 08-05-2014, 12:39 AM   #7
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What about Edge he was a champion but never for very long and usely losing it to cena or hhh. If he didn't get hurt CM Punk never becomes what he did.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:10 AM   #8
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Yeah I wouldn't put Tensai on there. He was going to fall flat either way. That gimmick may have worked in Japan, but there was no way it was going to fly here.

Everyone knew it was just A-Train with some kanji on his face. And Albert was never a big deal in WWE.
Jason Albert. They should have just brought him back as Jason Albert instead of half-ass covering up his past as Prince Albert. They should have nodded to it constantly, and let him build with his new Japanese experience. Total fail on the part of WWE.
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Old 08-05-2014, 01:53 AM   #9
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Old 08-05-2014, 06:01 AM   #10
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Old 08-05-2014, 07:15 AM   #11
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Yeah I wouldn't put Tensai on there. He was going to fall flat either way. That gimmick may have worked in Japan, but there was no way it was going to fly here.

Everyone knew it was just A-Train with some kanji on his face. And Albert was never a big deal in WWE.
So was Khali and Ryback, the thing is it is always Cena delivering the Kiss of Death.


Another one: Miz
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Old 08-05-2014, 08:14 AM   #12
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The Rock. Cena beat him and he has been gone ever since.
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:26 AM   #13
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None.

The writers and bookers on the other hand......
This.

You can definitely see a pattern that the writers seemingly get bored of certain guys or are directed to "bury" them (Sandow, for example) and just before that happens they give the top guy a win over them whilst they're still of some value.

Sandow didn't plummet because he lost to Cena, he lost to Cena because he was about to plummet.
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:08 AM   #14
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Someone is really blaming cena for khali being a joke? The guy is horrible, cant speak and can barely move
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And killed a guy in the ring
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...he lost to Cena because he was about to plummet.
I know this, this is what I mean, I am not blaming Cena for any of this but always when someone is a about to fall they face Cena first before doing so.
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You can add Mark Henry to the list as well. Even after age and injury, WWE was hell bent on pushing the guy (and rightly so)... then along comes the "retirement swerve" and feud with Cena. Where's the World's Strongest Man now?
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Old 08-05-2014, 02:37 PM   #18
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Yeah I wouldn't put Tensai on there. He was going to fall flat either way. That gimmick may have worked in Japan, but there was no way it was going to fly here.

Everyone knew it was just A-Train with some kanji on his face. And Albert was never a big deal in WWE.
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Jason Albert. They should have just brought him back as Jason Albert instead of half-ass covering up his past as Prince Albert. They should have nodded to it constantly, and let him build with his new Japanese experience. Total fail on the part of WWE.
On the subject of Tensai, it was actually a salvagable gimmick. Partially if they did with bobbo said and stopped trying to pretend nobody remembered Prince Albert/A-Train. Hell, they could have had people "slip up" and call him such, and have him get violently angry. Instead of simply refusing to speak English (I have a personal peeve about using that alone to get heat. The crowd doesn't know what your saying, so your boasts or insults are met with apathy, not boos. Its one of the problems with Rusev as well), they could have had him say he is distancing himself from that, went to Japan, became a diciplined powerhouse, and is back to be the threat he always should have been. Hell, even if they made him become Big Johnny's hired muscle on a regular basis (APA meets People Power!) it could have helped him. Instead, they tried to bring him back and more or less hotshot him to main event status off of him just being burly and having a half-assed gimmick that's supposed to strike fear on looks alone.

In short, he's yet another example of WWE expecting the world of a 2-dimensional character- especially if they're yet another big man- and giving up when they don't get over by osmosis instead of fleshing them out. Tensai could have worked with better creative direction.
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What about Edge he was a champion but never for very long and usely losing it to cena or hhh. If he didn't get hurt CM Punk never becomes what he did.
FYI, would've loved to see an Edge v. CM Punk fued to eventually headline or co-headline WrestleMania
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You can add Mark Henry to the list as well. Even after age and injury, WWE was hell bent on pushing the guy (and rightly so)... then along comes the "retirement swerve" and feud with Cena. Where's the World's Strongest Man now?
This is a very major way! That retirement speech/swerve was fucking gold and they did fuck all with it. Another wasted opportunity to make a MONSTER heel out of a MONSTER of a wrestler.
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Cena isn't responsible for Khali being garbage, come on now
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Old 08-05-2014, 03:27 PM   #24
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I don't think Savior means Cena was the reason anyone was jobbed out. He means that Cena was the one who beat the said wrestler before the writers put the said wrestler into job world.
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well, Khali is pretty terrible regardless of whether or not he has even seen Cena (HA HA HA HA) before
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