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Old 12-16-2015, 01:47 AM   #1
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Give me reasons why the Royal Rumble should remain at 30 participants....
For the longest time I've wanted the Royal Rumble Match expanded to 40, 50 or even 60 men for numerous reasons..... It is easily the second biggest PPV of the year and now with The Undertaker's streak broken, the most popular "attraction" in WWE. More Superstars means more surprises and more importantly, more time to establish stars by having several dominant performances rather than only a few.

I understand the logistical nightmare of having to coordinate 10-20 more eliminations and having to fill 30+ minutes of airtime (especially with recent criticism of the writing staff), but I cannot see any detriment to having a longer Rumble where the participants enter every 1:30.

So in my perfect world, the PPV would have a preshow match (IC or TT Title Match), the other title match on the main card, followed by a Divas Title Match, WWE Title Match and a good 1.5 hours dedicated to the Rumble Match itself.

Discuss, please.
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Old 12-16-2015, 01:51 AM   #2
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They can't even fill a regular ppv card without the star power dragging.
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We've already seen a 40-Man Royal Rumble, and it really didn't bring any extra sense of excitement or unpredictability to the match. Besides that, if you put 50 or 60 guys into one match, it stands to reason that you'd have to probably find time for them on non-PPV TV, but then by oversaturating the RR match with small name superstars who have little if any future, you defeat said purpose of puttibg them on TV. People would lose interest in the product, ratings would suffer and the company would be in even more dire straits than it already is.
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Yeah when they did the 40 man Rumble it was clear that it was done to incorporate the Nexus/Corre members and the last batch of entrants seemed totally rushed. It's already impossible to make even 5 entrants seem like viable winners, so diluting it further doesn't make any sense at all.
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All this serves is to give more spots to surprises like diesel, Goldust etc that serve no purpose beyond a brief pop.
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Should be kept at 30 and there should be a bit of prestige with being in there. I liked the fuss and the angles about what number people were getting

I also think they should go back to using qualifying matches to get into the Rumble. Give a bit of prestige back to actually being in the thing.
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Yeah I miss the qualifying matches. I mean last year's Rumble featured the likes of Zack Ryder, Adam Rose, Titus O'Neil, and Curtis Axel (who is still active in the match I believe). But those guys were never anything more than Superstars fodder.....yet they still deserved a chance to go to WrestleMania?

I mean with mystery entrants you need to suspend your disbelief a bit. It's impossible to think of a kayfabe scenario where in 2012 Vince or whoever was like "you know what? let's give the 3 announcers a chance to go to WrestleMania. they deserve it!" But I feel like anybody on the regular roster should have to qualify.
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Yeah I miss the qualifying matches. I mean last year's Rumble featured the likes of Zack Ryder, Adam Rose, Titus O'Neil, and Curtis Axel (who is still active in the match I believe). But those guys were never anything more than Superstars fodder.....yet they still deserved a chance to go to WrestleMania?

I mean with mystery entrants you need to suspend your disbelief a bit. It's impossible to think of a kayfabe scenario where in 2012 Vince or whoever was like "you know what? let's give the 3 announcers a chance to go to WrestleMania. they deserve it!" But I feel like anybody on the regular roster should have to qualify.
I definitely think it would add something to it if people needed to qualify.

It can start angles too and further feuds. Ambrose costing Owens his qualifier for example would add to the heat of their rivalry. You could also add a shock in there, someone established like Kane losing their qualifier to a rookie could give someone a nice story and focus going in to the rumble.

You could even do a mini tournament in NxT for a place in the Rumble.
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I definitely think it would add something to it if people needed to qualify.

It can start angles too and further feuds. Ambrose costing Owens his qualifier for example would add to the heat of their rivalry. You could also add a shock in there, someone established like Kane losing their qualifier to a rookie could give someone a nice story and focus going in to the rumble.

You could even do a mini tournament in NxT for a place in the Rumble.
Now you know WWE can't write that many story lines that are that complex and keep them interesting, compelling and not cluster fucks.
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Is the WWE even aware that they have 30 active wrestlers on their roster?
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Is the WWE even aware that they have 30 active wrestlers on their roster?
I can see where this year with like 5-7 big name guys injured and certain not to be back by the 2016 RR match, it would be quite easy for fans to feel cynical and/or just a general sense of malaise.

I mean, last year, we at least had the all-too-brief illusion that "Hey, Daniel Bryan is the first one to officially enter! No WAY he could possibly NOT win...right?" until the actual match played out, and the end result I'm sure probably makes hardcore fans weary of something similar happening next month.

I'm really, really, REALLY fucking loathe to admit this, but Cena returning and then entering the match, even though he likely won't win if reports of him taking even more time off after the show turn out to be true, it could brighten up an otherwise probably pretty dull match.
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Given their run of horrible ring names/gimmicks, how did they go this long without naming SOMEONE Willy Nilly. Seems like a Henry O Godwin stable wrassler.
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Take it for what it is, but the 40-man Rumble match is my favourite one. That's not so much to do with the number of participants, but just the writing and choreography for every single entrant was well done.

Ever since then (2012 and onwards), all they do is come out and brawl. Boooooooring.....
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From a kayfabe sense, every person in the Royal Rumble should be a viable winner and contender for the title at Wrestlemania. 30 is too many really, and 40 or more is downright silly.
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From a kayfabe sense, every person in the Royal Rumble should be a viable winner and contender for the title at Wrestlemania. 30 is too many really, and 40 or more is downright silly.
I think the Rumble should be the lottery ticket. In theory anyone who is a regular on TV should be in it. I would guess there are roughly 25-30 guys who appear on TV most weeks. Then you exclude the champ, the guy in the world title match, and possibly some tag guys. But everyone else should be in it IMO. Ultimately close to half of the field will be canon fodder, but I think that's fine.

I like the idea of having 2-3 spots for returning guys to add an element of unpredictability to the show.

I wonder if they would consider a women's Rumble at some point. Obviously not with 30 participants, but they could do a 10-15 woman Rumble. Only problem is it devalues the main Rumble.
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Then you exclude the champ, the guy in the world title match, and possibly some tag guys.
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I like the idea of having some jobbers in the Rumble as underdogs where it can be like "huge opportunity for this guy, this could be his only chance at earning a spot in a WrestleMania main event".

But that only works if you do qualifying matches. Otherwise it just gives the impression that Vince is walking around backstage and he just sees some random guy and throws them out there willy-nilly.
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Think during the first 3 or 4 Rumbles of the brand split era they did a pretty good job of making most of the wrestlers earn their way in save for a mystery entrant here and there. Was easier to pull off when each show was held to 15 wrestlers for the Rumble match.
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25 of the guys in this year's Rumble are either straight up jobbers or JTTS's. A 20 man rumble, like the original, seems more appropriate.
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They should have a 20 woman Royal Rumble along with it in the undercard.
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They should have a 20 woman Royal Rumble along with it in the undercard.
The fuck? This doesn't seem like sarcasm.
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They should have a 20 woman Royal Rumble along with it in the undercard.
10, MAYBE 15, with a 60 second interval. I'm one of the bigger fans of the current Divas product but over-exposing this on a major PPV would be a bad idea.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:22 PM   #24
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I would prefer a 20 man rumble. The two things that can make the match extremely interesting are unpredictably, and there being big name storylines going on during the match. The lack of realistic possible winners is what really needs to be fixed. Lately between the booking, and the internet, it seems as if almost every year for the past decade, I could only realistically see like 3-4 guys winning it. Right now a lot of top guys are out, so that might affect it, too. And then when it comes to feuds /angles becoming entangled in the rumble, I think they have a great opportunity to set that up. Having Owens and Ambrose having to always have their eye on the other, the stables and tag teams working together (Wyatts, League of Nations, Reigns Ambrose Usos, the Dudleys). But for both instances, less participants is better. I would like 20 participants that are 17 of the main people that are on Raw and Smackdown that aren't just ridiculously unbelievable (i.e. Zack Ryder .. It was cool to root for Santino but that was literally the only time I remember thinking somebody totally unbelievable could win). And, surprises. I'd also like to see the Beast Incarnate show up and suplex a ton of dudes over the top rope.
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I would prefer a 20 man rumble. The two things that can make the match extremely interesting are unpredictably, and there being big name storylines going on during the match. The lack of realistic possible winners is what really needs to be fixed. Lately between the booking, and the internet, it seems as if almost every year for the past decade, I could only realistically see like 3-4 guys winning it. Right now a lot of top guys are out, so that might affect it, too. And then when it comes to feuds /angles becoming entangled in the rumble, I think they have a great opportunity to set that up. Having Owens and Ambrose having to always have their eye on the other, the stables and tag teams working together (Wyatts, League of Nations, Reigns Ambrose Usos, the Dudleys). But for both instances, less participants is better. I would like 20 participants that are 17 of the main people that are on Raw and Smackdown that aren't just ridiculously unbelievable (i.e. Zack Ryder .. It was cool to root for Santino but that was literally the only time I remember thinking somebody totally unbelievable could win). And, surprises. I'd also like to see the Beast Incarnate show up and suplex a ton of dudes over the top rope.
Thing is even at 20 you won't have 20 guys who can headline Mania. Most years at best you would have 8-10, and even that might be a stretch.
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30 is fine and this year they can use the success of NXT. Certain things willing, this coming Rumble could theoretically be one of the more interesting Rumble's for a while. Bring Balor out at #1, have him do his full entrance schtick, last an hour etc. Itami, Sami Zayn, Joe, Corbin, Crews etc, all could have strong showings, have somebody like Balor, Zayn or Crews get to the final four, none of them necessarily have to stick around the "main roster" afterwards. You don't need more entrants or more time to make it more exciting, just do it well, make it interesting, have a few surprises, maybe the return of a Cena or a Daniel Bryan or a Brock etc and it should be just fine.
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42 rasslers in the rumble is the correct answer. Anything less ain't royal.
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Can anyone confirm if Axel is still in the 2015 Rumble? Last I checked, he is.
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Can anyone confirm if Axel is still in the 2015 Rumble? Last I checked, he is.
I can and its been 325 days 20 hours 13 minutes and counting. If you want to check for yourself go to http://www.axelmania.com/
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Old 12-17-2015, 05:57 PM   #31
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I think it is better to have 20 guys with a handful of legit contenders go for 30-40 minutes than 30 guys for an hour with large portions filled by losers brawling and being bored to tears watching Zach Ryder hold Viktor on the ropes. Just a personal preference.
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Old 12-17-2015, 06:53 PM   #32
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Only reason it was 40 for a year was due to the WWE wanting a stable war at the Rumble even though it never really happened in the actual match. Corre and Nexus had a pre-match brawl probably because the WWE realized they messed up with the Rumble ordering but still needed a reason to justify the expansion.

It should stay at 30 since it fits well with the Rumble setup. Only a couple of guys are usually seen as legit choices each year while a couple of guest entrants doesn't water down the surprise factor. That leaves a manageable number left as possible dark horses or regular guys to fill up the ranks.
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Old 12-17-2015, 07:50 PM   #33
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Axel was thrown over the top rope many times already.
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Axel was thrown over the top rope many times already.
Not during the Rumble, he should have to be eliminated twice this year.

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I really wish that they would bring back the old school promos before the Rumble itself. Just give each guy 15-30 seconds to rip on why they will win the Rumble.
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So Axel will have been in this year's Rumble match for more than 1 year when next month's match takes place on January 24th...and people thought Rey's performance in 2006 was impressive at 1 hour 2 minutes and some seconds.

And yes, Axel should have to be eliminated twice. If not, an unlikely dream comes true.
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Without it being mentioned he should be eliminated, immediately leap back in, and get eliminated again. Then Cole says "there now shut up!"
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Axel should just not be in it so he can die still in the Rumble then they can toss his corpse over the top when hes dead
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