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Old 05-25-2004, 04:27 PM   #1
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Ok so I was watching the Braves smack the Expositions when they started talking about this. They read off a list of names of people who came from the Montreal system...can't remember them all...but I'll try and recall a few

Randy Johnson, Vlad, God i can't remember them all

So it got me wondering as to who everything thinks markets the best players

(Biased opinion) I honestly think it's the Braves. I mean I have watched them almost religiously every year they have gone to the playoffs.

People who came from Atlanta and have risen to higher fame:
Chipper Jones
Andruw Jones
Rafael Furcal
Ryan Klesko
Marcus Giles (he's just starting up too)
Javy Lopez
Jermaine Dye
John Smoltz
Tom Glavine

I'm sure I could think of more. I mean right now a ton of Atlanta starters have been just regular guys. This guy Nick Green is hitting over .350 and he's never played in the majors before.

Who do you think farms the best overall players...
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Oakland without a doubt

Zito
Mulder
Hudson
Giambi
Tejada
Chavez
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the Expos had Pedro and Andre Dawson too btw
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Right now the Twins probably have one of the deepest farm systems, and considering all of the starting nine except Stewart were farmboys, thats pretty good.

The A's definately had a great farm system, too bad they didn't have any money
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Right now the Twins probably have one of the deepest farm systems, and considering all of the starting nine except Stewart were farmboys, thats pretty good.

The A's definately had a great farm system, too bad they didn't have any money
Well their record would say so, but I don't really know many guys on the club or any really famous guys that came through the system.

Gosh Twins I think...Kirby Puckett....

Which reminds me....screw the Twins....they screwed the Braves over in 91
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the Expos had Pedro and Andre Dawson too btw
Rondell White
Cliff Floyd
Larry Walker
Ugueth Urbina
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Gary Carter
Matt Stairs
there's a whole bunch more, jerk

Also, Mark McGwire was originally drafted by the Expos, out of high school, but didn't sign, and went back to school.
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Rondell White
Cliff Floyd
Larry Walker
Ugueth Urbina
Jeff Fassero
Gary Carter
Matt Stairs
there's a whole bunch more, jerk

Also, Mark McGwire was originally drafted by the Expos, out of high school, but didn't sign, and went back to school.
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Well their record would say so, but I don't really know many guys on the club or any really famous guys that came through the system.

Gosh Twins I think...Kirby Puckett....

Which reminds me....screw the Twins....they screwed the Braves over in 91

Oh I know now many famous guys came out, probably the most famous one lately was Todd Walker. But I am just saying that the Twins are probably the best team out there that relies heavily on their farm system.

The Yankees, Red Sox, Angels, Mariners, Orioles, White Sox, they all rely a lot on trading.
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Oakland without a doubt

Zito
Mulder
Hudson
Giambi
Tejada
Chavez
and then some
 
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Oakland without a doubt

Zito
Mulder
Hudson
Giambi
Tejada
Chavez
and then some
Harden, Harang....

Actually a lot of small market teams have done a great job with their farm systems but just end up getting raped by big market clubs. KC produced Johnny Damon, Jermaine Dye and Carlos Beltran. Beltran is gone next season. The Marlins will be very lucky to keep Willis and Beckett for more than five seasons. And when you talk about the Expos you also have to mention Larry Walker, Moises Alou, Delino DeShields, Marquis Grissom, Michael Barrett, Javy Vazquez....

My personal favorite when talking about farm systems is the Dodgers though. Because I hate them, I love thinking about the many guys who they brought up, gave up on, and then became stars somewhere else. John Wetteland, Paul Konerko, Padro Martinez...good times.
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I don't think they teach base running techniques down at Oakland's farm system though. LOL at Byrnes.
 
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I don't think they teach base running techniques down at Oakland's farm system though. LOL at Byrnes.
Actually, they really probably don't. They use that system to evaluate talent that basically only relies on OBP and OPS. Can't remeber what it's called but one of the biggest tenets is that steals are worthless and that the potential risk of giving up an out is more than the possible gain of an extra base. It's what Boston is relying on in their farm system now.

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Old 05-26-2004, 05:56 AM   #15
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Yeah, the Braves had an excellent farm system during the past decade, and really still do. I expect to see SS Wilson Betemit and SPs Macay McBride and Bubba Nelson in the majors pretty soon...

If you look at the dominant teams of the past few years, they almost all have a core of homegrown talent... The Yankees with Jeter, Rivera, Pettite, Williams, Posada; the aforementioned A's and Twins teams; the Angels with Erstad, Anderson, Salmon, Percival, Glaus; the Indians with Thome, Ramirez, Alomar; and so on... One of the best ways to win in MLB is to have a core of talent mature together, both in the minors and majors... That's why the Marlins and Rangers are now experiencing success with young teams... There was a Blalock-Teixeira-Young infield that hit well in AAA, and they'll repeat that success with the Rangers...
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Harden, Harang....

Actually a lot of small market teams have done a great job with their farm systems but just end up getting raped by big market clubs. KC produced Johnny Damon, Jermaine Dye and Carlos Beltran. Beltran is gone next season. The Marlins will be very lucky to keep Willis and Beckett for more than five seasons. And when you talk about the Expos you also have to mention Larry Walker, Moises Alou, Delino DeShields, Marquis Grissom, Michael Barrett, Javy Vazquez....

My personal favorite when talking about farm systems is the Dodgers though. Because I hate them, I love thinking about the many guys who they brought up, gave up on, and then became stars somewhere else. John Wetteland, Paul Konerko, Padro Martinez...good times.
Check the stats and my previous post. Jermaine Dye started out with the Braves. I saw him hit his first major league hit, a grand slam, in his first game.
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The Yankees have a pretty good farm system too:

Look at the guys they drafted

Derek Jeter
Bernie Williams
Alfonso Soriano
Jorge Posada
Mariano Rivera
Andy Pettite
Orlando Hernandez
Nick Johnson

and many more to come
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Alex Rodriguez
Hideki Matsui
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Gary Sheffield
Mike Mussina
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I think currently the Braves the Twins and the Jays have the nicest looking farm system.
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Yanks started with Branden Claussen too and he's gonna be sweet when comes up to the bigs once the Reds SP starts to tank
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I also love the Jays system. Vernon Wells, Reed Johnson, and Orlando Hudson are very underrated
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RIght now it's the Brewers. Rickie Weeks and Prince Fielder...
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I also love the Jays system. Vernon Wells, Reed Johnson, and Orlando Hudson are very underrated
Alexis Rios looks like he is going to be phenomenal as well.
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How is Prince Fielder looking? I remember reading an article on him in Sports Illustrated when he was a senior in high school, is he really gonna be all that?
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Ben does not have that much rep yet (10+)
He lives up to his last name as a vaccuum at first and also has 30-40 HR potential. He'll be a big part of the Brewers of the future (although Lyle Overbay hasn't proven to be the disposable stand-in Milwaukee thought he'd be)...
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Prince Fielder's doing well at AA and, I would imagine, is the starter for 2006.

Yes, he'll be all that. Or should be. You can never REALLY tell.
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Sensei Of Mattitude does not have that much rep yet (10+)
Look for these names.....

Gavin Floyd
Cole Hamels
Chase Utley (already making a splash)
Ryan Madson (already making a splash)
Anderson Machado
Jake Blalock (Hank's little brother who plays 3B)
Elizardo Ramirez
Ryan Howard

Already on the big club:

CF Marlon Byrd
LF Pat "The Bat" Burrell (1st Overall Pick in 1998)
SS Jimmy Rollins
C Mike Lieberthal
SP Randy Wolf
SP Brett (The Hitman) Myers
OF Jason Michaels (Pat Burrell's college teammate, plays all 3 OF positions, solid hitter)


Guys from us, now on other teams due to trades:

MIN SP: Carlos Silva (Eric Milton deal)
MIN IF: Nick Punto (Eric Milton deal)
HOU SP/RP Brandon Duckworth (Billy Wagner deal)
HOU SP (Minors) Taylor Buchholz (will be an amazing talent) (Wagner deal)
HOU SP (Minors) Ezequiel Astacio (same as Buchholz)
ATL C: Johnny Estrada (Kevin Millwood deal)

Players that we drafted (that I remember we drafted)

The Best Thirdbaseman of all time
MICHAEL JACK SCHMIDT
The 2nd Best Thirdbaseman of all time
Scott Rolen
and many more
plus many others

The Phillies have been able to become a contender this season by building from within. Something they didnt do for many years. Now their efforts are paying off while adding free-agents like Thome, Bell, Worrell and making the neccessary deals for Wagner, Millwood and Milton.

We might not have the best farm system of all time but its pretty damn good right now being that we are in 1ST PLACE.

Remember, watch out for those names at the top, they will be stars.


This was an analysis of the current farm system, not so much of the past.

GO PHILLIES!
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I didn't realize the Phillies were up there, cause thats a pretty solid core.
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MIN IF: Nick Punto (Eric Milton deal)
HOU SP/RP Brandon Duckworth (Billy Wagner deal)
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You got half of that right. Schmidt's easily the best third baseman of all time, but Brett's easily #2.
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Old 05-29-2004, 05:21 PM   #33
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I didn't know the Phillies gave up Taylor Bucholz for Wagner... Better hope they get to the playoffs with Wagner now or in the next few seasons... Losing Bucholz could well come back to bite them in the ass in a few years...
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The Mets have a fairly decent farming system:

Jose Reyes
Esix Snead (currently on the Mets AAA team, one of the fastest runners I've ever seen)
Marco Scutaro (currently a starter for the Oakland A's)
Jason Phillips
Orber Moreno
Jae Weong Seo
Jeff Duncan
Pedro Feliciano
Royce Ring (on he Mets AA team, but he's the closer of the future for them)

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Of course, I'm probably the only one that watches the Mets on here, but I can confirm that all the guys that I've listed are good, solid, young players that will likely make an impact at some point.
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Old 05-30-2004, 04:52 PM   #36
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Old 05-30-2004, 04:54 PM   #37
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