Derren Brown: Seance

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 05:51 PM

Anybody watching this tonight?
I'm watching it out of interest, but aren't sure if I'm gonna do the full set up thing - which is you're supposed to set up a table with all the letters on individual bits of paper in a circle and put a glass in the middle - I doubt I can be arsed...
You're also supposed to watch it with other people, but there's no one around.

So anyone watching it?

**Oxstar** · 05-31-2004, 05:55 PM

Yeah I'm going to watch it after big brother, I'm not going to bother doing it my self. What he's doing is the same as a wegie board or I could be wrong?

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by oxstar

Yeah I'm going to watch it after big brother, I'm not going to bother doing it my self. What he's doing is the same as a wegie board or I could be wrong?

It's spelt ouija (French for yes, then German for yes).
It looks similar to a ouija board, except that has a yes and a no, plus numbers.

**Oxstar** · 05-31-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jonster

It's spelt ouija (French for yes, then German for yes).
It looks similar to a ouija board, except that has a yes and a no, plus numbers.

You learn something new each day, Big brother time, die kitten die

**Dazz** · 05-31-2004, 06:03 PM

Yeah I'll watch it, Derren Brown is pretty interesting.

Lets all hook up on here for an online sceance

**Oxstar** · 05-31-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazz

Yeah I'll watch it, Derren Brown is pretty interesting.

Lets all hook up on here for an online sceance

No way we might might get the spirit of Dark Kane

**OssMan** · 05-31-2004, 06:05 PM

Is this like, a magic show of some sort?

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AssMan

Is this like, a magic show of some sort?

No, he's going to try and do (is that the word - probably perform would be better) a seance live on TV.

He doesn't really believe in it, but he reckons that'll make it more interesting

I find Derren Brown really interesting, I'd love to meet him one day.

**Oxstar** · 05-31-2004, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jonster

No, he's going to try and do (is that the word - probably perform would be better) a seance live on TV.

He doesn't really believe in it, but he reckons that'll make it more interesting

I find Derren Brown really interesting, I'd love to meet him one day.

No way if he tryed a mind trick on me it would freak me out, But yeah meeting him would be really cool, I'm really looking forward to the sceance now

**Dazz** · 05-31-2004, 06:06 PM

Yeah he isn't really a magician, he controls peoples mind instead. But the stuff he does int he streets looks like it is magic, but really it is just mind reading.

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 06:12 PM

See I don't mind being freaked out, because afterwards I'd be glad to have experienced it.

**Dazz** · 05-31-2004, 06:14 PM

He does stuff like has three upturned cups and tells someone to put a coin under one of them, and then he picks which one it is, then he does it with five cups. It looks like it is magic, but really he just reads their mind. He used to have this stuff on www.derrenbrown.com where he would read your mind, but the stuff on that is just because your answers predictable.

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazz

He does stuff like has three upturned cups and tells someone to put a coin under one of them, and then he picks which one it is, then he does it with five cups. It looks like it is magic, but really he just reads their mind. He used to have this stuff on www.derrenbrown.com where he would read your mind, but the stuff on that is just because your answers predictable.

Yeah, I spent a while looking around that site.
Also check out www.channel4.com/derrenbrown
That was pretty cool, but I dunno if they've changed it.
Also had the predictable stuff.

Did you hear him when he's been on radio 1, when he did it over the phone?

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazz

He does stuff like has three upturned cups and tells someone to put a coin under one of them, and then he picks which one it is, then he does it with five cups. It looks like it is magic, but really he just reads their mind. He used to have this stuff on www.derrenbrown.com where he would read your mind, but the stuff on that is just because your answers predictable.

By the way, it's www.derrenbrown.co.uk

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 06:15 PM

Oh, I missed his last show in this series (I was at Dave Gorman)
Anything good happen?

I wanna know what he says to people in the phone boxes too.

**Oxstar** · 05-31-2004, 07:48 PM

That kicked ass

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 07:52 PM

It was cool, but faked.
I don't think the reactions of the 12 were faked, but Derren knew what was happening.
The way the pictures were arranged, with the instructions, led everyone to Jane.
I tried the pen and paper thing, but got Edinburgh
Everyone screaming was funny, plus the guy that broke the luggage strap was cool. I missed the start of the next bit after the advert break after that happened, did they show the CCTV for that?

Oh and the phone calls were funny too.
"The Wardrobe just jumped, I mean jumped, on the other side of the room, JUMPED! The wardrobe. Thanks"

**packt up** · 05-31-2004, 08:41 PM

wtf was with the end and that girl who was in the videos... i don't get the point so like it was all just some mad mind trip that he fucked those people with.

I didn't actually take part in anything myself. No they didn't show the cctv for that guy freaking out though I would have been really interested if they did

.

Yeah LOL at the phone calls.

Oh yeah and like we had all the stuff set up (the wineglass and letters and stuff) and one of our christian room mates came in and got all mad and stuff that was pretty fucked up.

Interesting way to waste an hour of my life overall.

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by packt up

wtf was with the end and that girl who was in the videos... i don't get the point so like it was all just some mad mind trip that he fucked those people with.

The girl was alive, so it was proof that they weren't contacting the dead.

I think he was trying to prove that it was all psychological states of mind that cause it, like when he was explaining to the woman and the tamborine that it was an unconcious action, so she has no memory of it.

**Jonster** · 05-31-2004, 09:01 PM

OK, found out the phone box thing:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainmen...ick/phone.html

All through the series, people mysteriously fall asleep in public phone boxes. Have they fallen prey to a disease or am I carrying out some trick of the mind on the other end of the line? There are two factors at work here.

First, the group of people subjected to the stunt are particularly suggestible. I know this simply because they chose to answer a public phone that happened to be ringing as they walked past. Most people would ignore it, assuming it was nothing to do with them.

Secondly, once the person answers, I immediately bombard them with a rapid set of confusing instructions and facts. I do this for several minutes without giving give them a break, then follow it by telling them to fall asleep. As seen on the shows, this works.

Public speakers often capitalise on the same response. Have you ever listened to a politician giving rapid-fire statistics so fast that the audience can't possibly take them in, only to end the speech with a simple, memorable phrase? The soundbite comes as such a relief after all those facts and figures that this is all the listeners remember.

**Dazz** · 05-31-2004, 09:31 PM

Firstly yeah I think it was actually the channel four website I saw the tricks.

Derren Brown said he doesn't believe in Seances, so I think he just wanted to see the reactions of people. The cup falling over and the ball in the air must have been a fix.

**Avenger** · 06-01-2004, 12:00 PM

I think he proved it was all bullshit.

That was the point.

Ouija boards do NOT exist. Nor does the devil.

stupid folk

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 06-01-2004, 05:15 PM

avenger is right, the whole point Derren Brown was trying to make is that seances were and always have been about the mindset of the people taking part.

At the very start, you should have known the suicide pact story was bullshit. I also was pretty sure he was directing people to pick a certain person, just by the convoluted way he went about getting people to consider it.

I've read about a group of psychologists who carried out a seance in Canada, in the 70s, who knowingly fabricated a 17th century Frenchman named Phillip, and set down certain details of his life beforehand. Then they held a seance to contact this character, and sure enough, they ended up talking to him and his life became alot more elaborate.

Apparently they were even able to get him to move things, and lift the table, and knock on walls.

So I kind of saw the ending coming, having read about that before and thinking he was trying something similar, but it was excellent TV.

**Dazz** · 06-01-2004, 10:12 PM

Yeah I think that the whole point of that frizzy girl being in the room that Jane was in was to show that it's all in the mind, she screamed as soonas she heard that she was in the room Jane had stayed in.

If you notice, when doing the ouiji board, it didn't work the first time because one of the people involved wasn't thinking about Jane, they had a different name. As soon as the four people were all thinking of Jane they moved the glass to spell out her name. Derren Brown knows who people are likely to choose, he would have known that most would choose Jane.

I was wondering in that room if the things moving were real, but I never thought they were because Derren Brown was never freaked out when they happened. Its odd how she gave the same information as the letter though.

**Jonster** · 06-01-2004, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dazz

I was wondering in that room if the things moving were real, but I never thought they were because Derren Brown was never freaked out when they happened. Its odd how she gave the same information as the letter though.

I think the things did move, they probably were on wires or something.
Derren wouldn't freak because he knew it was going to happen.

Also, I've seen a thing where Derren says think of any letter, or something similar, and the way he asks the question puts the thought into the mind of the person he's doing it to.
I'd imagine when he was asking questions, it was something very similar, as the questions he asked were very specific, and had one word answers.

**Jonster** · 06-03-2004, 02:19 PM

Was on the news today - 3rd most complained about TV show ever.
People are wusses.

**El Capitano Gatisto** · 06-03-2004, 02:26 PM

Apparently the vast majority of the complaints came before it was even aired.

Brass Eye's paedophile special is the 2nd most complained about - brilliant.

**The Mask** · 06-03-2004, 02:35 PM

what's the first?

**Dazz** · 06-03-2004, 02:36 PM

Yeah 700 complaints, people need to loosen up.

**dyadelivernowedopork** · 06-03-2004, 02:36 PM

It was all a set up. After the show the woman announcing the next show actually confirmed it by saying "Derren Brown is a Psychological entertainer" or something like that. Also a few months ago I saw a programme called seance:revealed. You know like when they reveal how magic tricks are done. Well what happens is after the camera crew leave and the candles are blown out people come in wearing night vision goggles and they move the objects with "Hook-A Duck" style sticks. This is obvious when you think about it, didn't anyone realize that no overhead view was shown after Deren blew the candles out? Also 4 or 5 of the people are actors.

**Dazz** · 06-03-2004, 02:57 PM

There are many ways they could have knocked over the objects without people actually being in the room, mainly they could have just made a small hole in the ceiling and feed some string through it thats tied to the cup.

**packt up** · 06-03-2004, 03:11 PM

Ha yeah complaints ahoy.

Pretty funny.

05-31-2004, 05:51 PM	#1
Jonster Has an evil monkey... Posts: 7,299	Derren Brown: Seance Anybody watching this tonight? I'm watching it out of interest, but aren't sure if I'm gonna do the full set up thing - which is you're supposed to set up a table with all the letters on individual bits of paper in a circle and put a glass in the middle - I doubt I can be arsed... You're also supposed to watch it with other people, but there's no one around. So anyone watching it? I have no signature.

05-31-2004, 05:55 PM	#2
Oxstar "Autobots transform" Posts: 2,551	Yeah I'm going to watch it after big brother, I'm not going to bother doing it my self. What he's doing is the same as a wegie board or I could be wrong?

05-31-2004, 06:03 PM	#5
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Yeah I'll watch it, Derren Brown is pretty interesting. Lets all hook up on here for an online sceance

05-31-2004, 06:05 PM	#7
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,455	Is this like, a magic show of some sort?

05-31-2004, 06:06 PM	#10
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Yeah he isn't really a magician, he controls peoples mind instead. But the stuff he does int he streets looks like it is magic, but really it is just mind reading.

05-31-2004, 06:12 PM	#11
Jonster Has an evil monkey... Posts: 7,299	See I don't mind being freaked out, because afterwards I'd be glad to have experienced it.

05-31-2004, 06:14 PM	#12
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	He does stuff like has three upturned cups and tells someone to put a coin under one of them, and then he picks which one it is, then he does it with five cups. It looks like it is magic, but really he just reads their mind. He used to have this stuff on www.derrenbrown.com where he would read your mind, but the stuff on that is just because your answers predictable.

05-31-2004, 06:15 PM	#15
Jonster Has an evil monkey... Posts: 7,299	Oh, I missed his last show in this series (I was at Dave Gorman) Anything good happen? I wanna know what he says to people in the phone boxes too.

05-31-2004, 07:48 PM	#16
Oxstar "Autobots transform" Posts: 2,551	That kicked ass

05-31-2004, 07:52 PM	#17
Jonster Has an evil monkey... Posts: 7,299	It was cool, but faked. I don't think the reactions of the 12 were faked, but Derren knew what was happening. The way the pictures were arranged, with the instructions, led everyone to Jane. I tried the pen and paper thing, but got Edinburgh Everyone screaming was funny, plus the guy that broke the luggage strap was cool. I missed the start of the next bit after the advert break after that happened, did they show the CCTV for that? Oh and the phone calls were funny too. "The Wardrobe just jumped, I mean jumped, on the other side of the room, JUMPED! The wardrobe. Thanks"

05-31-2004, 08:41 PM	#18
packt up Posts: 3,460	wtf was with the end and that girl who was in the videos... i don't get the point so like it was all just some mad mind trip that he fucked those people with. I didn't actually take part in anything myself. No they didn't show the cctv for that guy freaking out though I would have been really interested if they did . Yeah LOL at the phone calls. Oh yeah and like we had all the stuff set up (the wineglass and letters and stuff) and one of our christian room mates came in and got all mad and stuff that was pretty fucked up. Interesting way to waste an hour of my life overall.

05-31-2004, 09:01 PM	#20
Jonster Has an evil monkey... Posts: 7,299	OK, found out the phone box thing: http://www.channel4.com/entertainmen...ick/phone.html All through the series, people mysteriously fall asleep in public phone boxes. Have they fallen prey to a disease or am I carrying out some trick of the mind on the other end of the line? There are two factors at work here. First, the group of people subjected to the stunt are particularly suggestible. I know this simply because they chose to answer a public phone that happened to be ringing as they walked past. Most people would ignore it, assuming it was nothing to do with them. Secondly, once the person answers, I immediately bombard them with a rapid set of confusing instructions and facts. I do this for several minutes without giving give them a break, then follow it by telling them to fall asleep. As seen on the shows, this works. Public speakers often capitalise on the same response. Have you ever listened to a politician giving rapid-fire statistics so fast that the audience can't possibly take them in, only to end the speech with a simple, memorable phrase? The soundbite comes as such a relief after all those facts and figures that this is all the listeners remember.

05-31-2004, 09:31 PM	#21
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Firstly yeah I think it was actually the channel four website I saw the tricks. Derren Brown said he doesn't believe in Seances, so I think he just wanted to see the reactions of people. The cup falling over and the ball in the air must have been a fix.

06-01-2004, 12:00 PM	#22
Avenger est. 1884 Posts: 11,488	I think he proved it was all bullshit. That was the point. Ouija boards do NOT exist. Nor does the devil. stupid folk

06-01-2004, 05:15 PM	#23
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	avenger is right, the whole point Derren Brown was trying to make is that seances were and always have been about the mindset of the people taking part. At the very start, you should have known the suicide pact story was bullshit. I also was pretty sure he was directing people to pick a certain person, just by the convoluted way he went about getting people to consider it. I've read about a group of psychologists who carried out a seance in Canada, in the 70s, who knowingly fabricated a 17th century Frenchman named Phillip, and set down certain details of his life beforehand. Then they held a seance to contact this character, and sure enough, they ended up talking to him and his life became alot more elaborate. Apparently they were even able to get him to move things, and lift the table, and knock on walls. So I kind of saw the ending coming, having read about that before and thinking he was trying something similar, but it was excellent TV.

06-01-2004, 10:12 PM	#24
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Yeah I think that the whole point of that frizzy girl being in the room that Jane was in was to show that it's all in the mind, she screamed as soonas she heard that she was in the room Jane had stayed in. If you notice, when doing the ouiji board, it didn't work the first time because one of the people involved wasn't thinking about Jane, they had a different name. As soon as the four people were all thinking of Jane they moved the glass to spell out her name. Derren Brown knows who people are likely to choose, he would have known that most would choose Jane. I was wondering in that room if the things moving were real, but I never thought they were because Derren Brown was never freaked out when they happened. Its odd how she gave the same information as the letter though.

06-03-2004, 02:19 PM	#26
Jonster Has an evil monkey... Posts: 7,299	Was on the news today - 3rd most complained about TV show ever. People are wusses.

06-03-2004, 02:26 PM	#27
El Capitano Gatisto World Class Raconteur Posts: 29,478	Apparently the vast majority of the complaints came before it was even aired. Brass Eye's paedophile special is the 2nd most complained about - brilliant.

06-03-2004, 02:35 PM	#28
The Mask That Entenbrot, The Mask Posts: 56,852	what's the first?

06-03-2004, 02:36 PM	#29
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Yeah 700 complaints, people need to loosen up.

06-03-2004, 02:36 PM	#30
dyadelivernowedopork Sh*t Heap In Training Posts: 14	It was all a set up. After the show the woman announcing the next show actually confirmed it by saying "Derren Brown is a Psychological entertainer" or something like that. Also a few months ago I saw a programme called seance:revealed. You know like when they reveal how magic tricks are done. Well what happens is after the camera crew leave and the candles are blown out people come in wearing night vision goggles and they move the objects with "Hook-A Duck" style sticks. This is obvious when you think about it, didn't anyone realize that no overhead view was shown after Deren blew the candles out? Also 4 or 5 of the people are actors.

06-03-2004, 02:57 PM	#31
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	There are many ways they could have knocked over the objects without people actually being in the room, mainly they could have just made a small hole in the ceiling and feed some string through it thats tied to the cup.

06-03-2004, 03:11 PM	#32
packt up Posts: 3,460	Ha yeah complaints ahoy. Pretty funny.