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Old 08-11-2004, 02:33 PM   #1
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The Greatest Never To Hold A Major Title
It's something that is often said. Just the other day it was said again about Hacksaw Jim Duggan. So my question is who do you think is the greatest wrestler that never held a major world title? By major world title I mean the WWE title or the NWA/WCW title. I don't really consider the ECW or TNA title a major world title.



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Old 08-11-2004, 02:33 PM   #2
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Old 08-11-2004, 02:35 PM   #3
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It's something that is often said. Just the other day it was said again about Hacksaw Jim Duggan. So my question is who do you think is the greatest wrestler that never held a major world title? By major world title I mean the WWE title or the NWA/WCW title. I don't really consider the ECW or TNA title a major world title.
Isn't TNA's title the NWA World Heavyweight Title?
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Old 08-11-2004, 04:33 PM   #16
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Without a question,Scott Hall.

In the WWE as Razor Ramon he was probably the top heel at the time in the mid 90's right behind Diesel.

In WCW he was one of the top 5 guys there. He was one of the top guys his whole time in WCW. Benoit,Jarrett,DDP,Steiner,Goldberg,Nash and Booker won the World title and Hall did not. Sid came in and won the WCW title and Hall did not.Bret Hart jump to WCW and won the World title.David Arquette and Russo won the title and Hall did'nt. No wonder why Hall drunk so much in WCW.

In TNA(the real NWA title),he got a shot at JJ for the title and still did not win.

Did he win the AWA title?

Owen died young
Bulldog was never on that level
Dibiase was victim to Hogan and WWE had to keep the title on Hogan.
Piper was another victim to the Hogan era.
RVD was never on that level. If you look at Eugene now,that was the level RVD was on.
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I pretty much agree with all of the ones mentioned so far. Did Ricky Steamboat win either of those titles? If not, add him to that list. Raven too I suppose.
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Without a question,Scott Hall.

In the WWE as Razor Ramon he was probably the top heel at the time in the mid 90's right behind Diesel.

In WCW he was one of the top 5 guys there. He was one of the top guys his whole time in WCW. Benoit,Jarrett,DDP,Steiner,Goldberg,Nash and Booker won the World title and Hall did not. Sid came in and won the WCW title and Hall did not.Bret Hart jump to WCW and won the World title.David Arquette and Russo won the title and Hall did'nt. No wonder why Hall drunk so much in WCW.

In TNA(the real NWA title),he got a shot at JJ for the title and still did not win.

Did he win the AWA title?

Owen died young
Bulldog was never on that level
Dibiase was victim to Hogan and WWE had to keep the title on Hogan.
Piper was another victim to the Hogan era.
RVD was never on that level. If you look at Eugene now,that was the level RVD was on.
LOL @ your last sentence. Eugene has been in the WWE for a few months, and RVD was awesome in ECW and if he had won the title during the ECW invasion angle, he would have been an awesome champion. If pushed properly, he would make a good WWE champion right now.
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Owen died young
Bulldog was never on that level
Dibiase was victim to Hogan and WWE had to keep the title on Hogan.
Piper was another victim to the Hogan era.
RVD was never on that level. If you look at Eugene now,that was the level RVD was on.
Whoa hold on now buddy...Owen Hart was in the WWE for over 10 years. Scott Hall was in the WCW off and on for 5, made a handful of TNA performances, and only was a big name in the WWE for about 3 or 4 years...so Scott Hall's ENTIRE CAREER was shorter then the time Owen spent in WWE...so he didn't die to younf to hold the title...

And as for Bulldog never being on that level...you have NO IDEA how over Bulldog was...a HUGE name in American, Canada loved him to death, and England...he basically could have run for God of England and won in a landslide.

Dibiase never won the title because he retired pretty much as soon as he becamea big Main Eventer...he Main Evented for 2 or 3 years and then became a manager...

And as for Piper he never won the World Title becuase companies didn't trust him...basically he had loyalty to himself...and that is it.

I agree Scott Hall should have been WCW Champ, but to discard everyone else is a damn shame.

(oh and Hall never held the AWA title)
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Old 08-11-2004, 05:37 PM   #22
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I can't go with one, so I'll just make a small list.

Brian Pillman
Dean Malenko
Ted DiBiase
Arn Anderson
Paul Orndorff
Rick Rude
Marc Mero
Roddy Piper

I won't list Curt Hennig because Curt had a run (albeit a small one) with the AWA Belt, which was rather important. I also won't list Rick Martel because Rick won in AWA too. Also, Shane Douglas and Raven (modernly) stay off of my list because of ECW (as I'd count their Title as rather important as well).
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Old 08-11-2004, 08:56 PM   #23
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Marc Mero? I must say a wholeheartedly disagree.

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Old 08-11-2004, 09:24 PM   #24
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Bulldog was never on that level? Dude, now I know why Hall is your favorite wrestler. You're both drunk off your ass.

Perfect and Pillman come to mind for me. Rick Rude was a good one too.
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Old 08-12-2004, 03:43 AM   #27
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Old 08-12-2004, 05:58 AM   #28
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Old 08-12-2004, 06:35 AM   #29
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maybe Owen Hart?

Ted Debiasse?

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Old 08-12-2004, 06:51 AM   #30
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Lance Storm (I'm a Storm mark sue me)
Greg Valentine (Same reason as Storm)
Dean Malenko
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Andre the Giant (I don't really count him beating Hogan since he handed over the title to Dibiase immediately)
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Old 08-12-2004, 06:53 AM   #31
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I left off Hennig, Douglas and Raven for the same reasons KayfabeMan did and I left of RVD because of the sheer length of his reign as ECW TV champion, it became while he was champ a major title IMO
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Old 08-21-2004, 03:53 AM   #32
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Raven

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Owen Hart

and even though some wont agree I think I would say....

Billy Gunn, not the Gunn you see today but back in the day when he did singles after he left the Outlaws. He was great. I think he definently should of had a heavyweight belt at sometime.
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Old 08-21-2004, 05:42 AM   #34
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Old 08-21-2004, 06:14 AM   #35
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“I believe there are people out there that just have a warrior spirit, whether it’s fighting or something, they’ve got to do it. It’s hard to identify with me; it’s just something I do.” Evan Tanner, 2005

Henderson: I have more dimensions as an mma fighter
Franklin: How many more dimensions did he say? Was it like 3 more dimensions? Cause thats ALOT of dimensions

When I see my opponent, I begin shaking uncontrollably, and once he hits me, I think to myself, You just hit Wanderlei Silva, how dare you hit Wanderlei Silva, and then I try to kill him. Wanderlei

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Impact! once did an entire crossword puzzle with his eyes closed. Not even he knows how he accomplished it.
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Old 08-21-2004, 07:45 AM   #36
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Old 08-21-2004, 07:49 AM   #37
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I'm seeing an Owen Hart, Ted DiBiase and RVD pattern here. And yes, yes, yes to all.

Although RVD might not be good enough on the mic to warrant a lengthy reign, and DiBiase had the million dollar belt - c'mon people, it was worth a MILLION DOLLARS - i'd say that's a good title.
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Old 08-21-2004, 09:03 AM   #38
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Jeff Hardy, Matt Hardy, Shannon Moore, Rey Mysterio, Chavo....any of the guys from WCW Tag teams really.
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Old 08-21-2004, 02:37 PM   #39
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I can't go with one, so I'll just make a small list.

Brian Pillman
Dean Malenko
Ted DiBiase
Arn Anderson
Paul Orndorff
Rick Rude
Marc Mero
Roddy Piper

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dude!!!
Marc Mero???
seriously???
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Old 08-21-2004, 03:18 PM   #40
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