royal rumble

**Aussie Skier** · 10-20-2004, 12:08 AM

very early, any1 game to make a pick?

I say Booker T or Big Show

**John la Rock** · 10-20-2004, 12:09 AM

Randy Orton

**The CyNick** · 10-20-2004, 12:11 AM

Orotn, Cena or Taker

**GODSON** · 10-20-2004, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

Orotn, Cena or Taker

Pretty much, they may pull a move like they did last year. Have someone like Jericho win and go to SD.

V · 10-20-2004, 12:36 AM

orton or cena i'd say

hoping for cena but it's likely going to be orton

**OssMan** · 10-20-2004, 12:56 AM

does anyone know where it is going to take place

**Shadow** · 10-20-2004, 01:04 AM

Please...

Randy Orton all the way.

**Corkscrewed** · 10-20-2004, 01:56 AM

My money's on Orton.

**The One** · 10-20-2004, 01:59 AM

I would put my early money on Orton, I don't think that Cena will be main eventing THIS years WrestleMania...just my prediction...

MY hope and dream would be Jericho winning, and taking the title off of Triple H...only no Stephanie this time around...

**Boondock Saint** · 10-20-2004, 02:18 AM

I sense Orton winning it at this moment.

**nWo 4 Life** · 10-20-2004, 10:59 AM

Orton would be logical in the same fashion as Benoit earlier this year. (You know, enter first, get the crap beat out of you but still win).

However, someone like Jericho or Cena to challenge for the WWE ttle on SD, having Jericho jump ship, would clear the way for an Orton title chase, like Austin in '99.

But this is WWE, so expect Orton in about number 12 and winning by throwing out someone like RVD.

**Mikey** · 10-20-2004, 11:07 AM

If it is a Raw superstar Randy Orton
Smackdown: Kurt Angle

**HankScorpio** · 10-20-2004, 11:08 AM

I'm going on the record as saying that Brock Lesnar is going to win it (its worth a shot, LOL)

LK · 10-20-2004, 11:10 AM

Orton

**jerichoholic169** · 10-20-2004, 11:15 AM

i reckon in the months leading up to the rumble, orton is going to be denied a title shot by HHH continuely. this then leads to orton winning the rumble and thus HHH having no way of stopping him having his title shot. and hopefully they'll build it up the right way by not having them in the ring together and really make it to be a good build up.

of course i'd equally like jericho to win but personally i can see him in the title match at the rumble. hopefully as champion as well. then again i'd mark the fuck out if lesnar made a surprise return to the rumble that wasnt leaked etc. now that would be shocking!!

**Loose Cannon** · 10-20-2004, 12:32 PM

Well it depends which show has the Main Event for Mania.

If Smackdown gets it, then I see Cena. Maybe Taker, but with the way the WWE has been lately in pushing the young guys, who are over, really quickly, then I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cena.

If Raw, then Orton. Orton-HHH Mania.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 10-20-2004, 06:07 PM

The Undertaker seems to be a likely choice. Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker at WrestleMania 21 seems to be what a lot of sources are saying is likely. Randy Orton another guy that I would assume is right up there. I hope they don't give it to Orton, though, as that is WAY too predictable. I would like to see Orton lose the Rumble, then have him really get personal with Triple H, and have a lot of heat thrown into the feud. This leads to Triple H actually wanting to face Orton at Mania. I think that would be a better route to take.

I personally would like to see Kane or Chris Jericho win, though. Two longshot guys on RAW that have always been there, but never been there (if you get what I mean). Winning the Rumble would be a great way to bring Kane back (especially if he entered #1 and dominated the entire match). Kane could then either go to Smackers and challenge The Undertaker or Kurt Angle at WrestleMania (maybe in a Triple Threat or Fatal Fourway with Eddie Guerrero or JBL) or stay on RAW and challenge Triple H, which would be a great way to put the World Heavyweight Championship on Kane.

If Jericho won, I'd love to see him jump over to SmackDown! and win the title from Kurt Angle at WrestleMania 21. Then he can feud with Eddie Guerrero, and eventually The Undertaker & JBL.

Shawn Michaels is another guy I can see winning and jumping ship, and for some reason I can see Gene Snitsky winning, but not getting a title shot due to a "more desired" match with Kane at Mania.

**Eunos** · 10-20-2004, 06:17 PM

Really needs to be A Raw superstar to win this time.

Currently it's Smackdown 2 - 0 Raw in Royal rumbles. Even though Benoit moved to raw the next night he was a Smackdown wrestler when he won it so i classify it as a Smackdown Voctory.

Anyway Randy is definatly the best choice to win... making Randy and Cena the final 2 in the Rumble would be awesome.

**BigDaddyCool** · 10-20-2004, 06:20 PM

I hate how the Rumble is done now. Maybe it shouldn't mean anything any more, and just be a one time honour, like KOTR used to be.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 10-20-2004, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDaddyCool

I hate how the Rumble is done now. Maybe it shouldn't mean anything any more, and just be a one time honour, like KOTR used to be.

They've become way to predictable. Just out of curiosity who was the favourite in the 2001 Royal Rumble. I remember thinking ti could go anyway (I was a new fan, though). I could've seen Rikishi winning it, and then losing it to say Undertaker in a match on RAW. I also think Undertaker or Austin were the favourites. I standby my decision to say Kane should've won the match.

But anyway, if you couldn't tell who would win the 2002, 2003 & 2004 Royal Rumbles, you were thinknig too hard about it. I feel they will do the same thing this year. I don't see why they don't start hyping the Rumble after Survivor Series and have it look like it means something to all the major stars. Maybe even have The Rock come back and hype it (and maybe appear in it)? I can see RAW having a weekly Battle Royal, with almost a different guy winning it every week. I'd like to see a match at New Year's Revolution or Armageddon determine who is entering #30. Seriosuly, if they push Edge, Michaels, Jericho, Kane, Snitsky, Batista, Randy Orton, John Cena, Carlito Caribbean Cool, Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak, Maven, The Undertaker, Eugene Dinsmore, William Regal, The A-Train, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Christian, Tyson Tomko, The Rock, Rhyno, Tajiri, Simon Dean, Paul London, Billy Kidman, Spike Dudley, Hardcore Holly & Heidenreich as the thirty, I seriously think this PPV would be really unpredictable. Actually swap say Tajiri with The Big Show.

A guy doesn't need to win the Rumble to look good, and I don't think it should be something awarded to younger guys. The WrestleMania shot should be given to a guy that's old enough to appreciate what it means to win. A guy like John Cena & Randy Orton should be possible winners in say three winners. Guys like Kurt Angle, Chris Jericho & Kane should be who is considered for the big win. The Undertaker is a guy who would really appreciate winning the 2005 Royal Rumble, IMO. Even Mick Foley should have more of a shot than say John Cena. Not that Cena isn't any good, I'm just saying, the Rumble shouldn't be used to elevate a guy. At least not every year. It should take an over wrestler, say thank you for your long time hard work, put them into the Mania main event and give them something to really get them started on a good year with the company, as maybe its major star.

**Deceit** · 10-20-2004, 06:55 PM

Orton or Cena. Hell, they might even pull a RR 1994 and make both of them go over the ropes at the same time and hit the ground, thus allowing them to have 2 #1 contenders for RAW and Smackdown.

**tucsonspeed6** · 10-20-2004, 06:59 PM

I'll pick Orton. It's gotta be him because you know they're gonna push a HHH/Orton ME for WM21...

**addy2hotty** · 10-20-2004, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by deceit03

Orton or Cena. Hell, they might even pull a RR 1994 and make both of them go over the ropes at the same time and hit the ground, thus allowing them to have 2 #1 contenders for RAW and Smackdown.

I agree, it'll come down to Orton & Cena - they've already sown the seeds for these two to meet somewhere down the line, what with the showdown at Summerslam and the hyping of it on the front cover of the new SD game. Wouldn't mid seeing Cena vs Orton at WM though, if they went ahead with a Raw vs Smackdown theme for it.

**PorkSoda** · 10-20-2004, 10:41 PM

Who I'd like to see win it: Garrison Cade

Besides him then either Edge or Christian.

Orton, Kurt Angle or John Cena may be the ones. I don't know

**Aussie Skier** · 10-21-2004, 12:32 AM

I havent said Orton because I think it would be too predictable.

Last year, I tipped Benoit. I wasn't 100% behind him to win, but then, I wasnt watching wrestling all that closely.
Year before, it had to be Lesner
Year before, HHH won it right...i forget...but he was being mega pushed after coming back from his dodgy calf.

Thats why this year i have tipped Booker T or Big Show.
There might be an outside chance that booker T or big show will be champ by this time anywayz, but if they're not, then they could both main event WM21.

From Raw, only Orton can win it.

I'd say the favourites are:
Raw
Orton; Will main event WM21, almost without a doubt, just gotta see whether he will win the rumble in order to get that honour.
Jericho; lost the IC belt. Either they are going to fumble around with him like they always do, or will give him the win and get him the title.
Kane; Could be in line FINALLY for a world title run (of more than 1 day!) - but he is away filming, so maybe not.
Edge; hmmm, depends how over he can get i think.

No one else has a chance, maybe with the exception of HBK (highly doubtful), shelton Benjamin (hope not), Batista, Christian (as if they'd give him a main event - fuking wwe)

Smackdown
Cena; obvious choice, but he will be away filming. he is the most over wrestler on raw, but doubt he'll get it (if a young over guy gets it, it'll be randy)
Booker T; my tip, i think within the next 5 month booker will have the wwe title...and this could be the perfect leadup!
Big show; like booker, i expect him to have the title again soon, and like booker, this would be a perfect leadup.
Angle; is a pretty good chance IMO

The only otherwith an outside chance is Taker or JBL, but i doubt either of those will win (esspecially because JBL was first one out this year!!!)

**Aussie Skier** · 10-21-2004, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06

But anyway, if you couldn't tell who would win the 2002, 2003 & 2004 Royal Rumbles, you were thinknig too hard about it. I feel they will do the same thing this year. I don't see why they don't start hyping the Rumble after Survivor Series and have it look like it means something to all the major stars. Maybe even have The Rock come back and hype it (and maybe appear in it)? I can see RAW having a weekly Battle Royal, with almost a different guy winning it every week. I'd like to see a match at New Year's Revolution or Armageddon determine who is entering #30. Seriosuly, if they push Edge, Michaels, Jericho, Kane, Snitsky, Batista, Randy Orton, John Cena, Carlito Caribbean Cool, Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns, Mark Jindrak, Maven, The Undertaker, Eugene Dinsmore, William Regal, The A-Train, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas, Christian, Tyson Tomko, The Rock, Rhyno, Tajiri, Simon Dean, Paul London, Billy Kidman, Spike Dudley, Hardcore Holly & Heidenreich as the thirty, I seriously think this PPV would be really unpredictable. Actually swap say Tajiri with The Big Show.

rep for writing all the names.
However, i think you've missed out on a few.
JBL. I'm assuming he will have lost the title by then (i think he'll loose it at survivor series.
orlando jordan should prolly be in it too.
Eddie Guerrero must be in the rumble as well, as should Chavo

**The CyNick** · 10-21-2004, 01:30 AM

I'm about 99.9999999% sure Cena will be back by the end of January, in fact I think he's supposed to be back much sooner than that.

If I was putting money on it, I would say Orton is the guy to lay money on. For the simple fact that he's positioned to work Hunter this year, and Hunter probably wants to be in the ME.

However, I think this year's Mania will fall short in terms of buys. Combined that with the fact that Orton has shown no ability to be 'the guy' and I could see a scenario playing out where HHH takes a slight back seat like he did in Seattle.

So I could see them giving the "main event" spot to a SD guy. Last week I would have said that guy was Taker. However, he's coming off a title chase story that did less than 200,000 buys. I cant see how that would make the WWE feel good about putting him in a top spot. Coupled with that you have this Cena "injury" and I'm sure that will lead to a big storybook comeback, and what better way to make a comeback than to win the Rumble and headline Wrestlemania? Cena is legitimately over (unlike Orton), so I think putting him in the top spot would be a safer move.

Of course the Rumble at this point means a lot less than it used to. Now you've got two champs, so even if one guy loses, he'll still have another shot to "headline" Wrestlemania (the two title matches will get equal billing no matter who goes on last). I mean I guess the "last match" spot is on the line, but as the past 3 Manias have shown, that isn't necessarily the "main event" spot on the card.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 10-21-2004, 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

If I was putting money on it, I would say Orton is the guy to lay money on.

That's what I don't like about the Rumble, if you were betting with your friends, what could be a possible 30 different ways the match is likely to go, can rationally be lowered to three or four. I wouldn't mind seeing Orton & Cena elimianting each other somewhere during the middle of the match. The favourite from RAW & the favourite for SmackDown! eliminated before the final ten.

I think you're right with saying John Cena will be a HUGE focus of the WWE when he returns, I hope they have him sell the intensity of the Rumble, but having him dumped out before the final four. I really dislike it when the babyface is given that gimmick of how he is the most passionate guy in wrestling. I think the focusshould be on how all these guys are passionate, how it is all their best chance, and all of them are fighting for their professional success.

Stars should be chucked out left and right, and the focus should be on the intensity of every person in the match in different ways. Guys go and sit at the announcer's table, guys hide under the ring. Some wrestlers team up on a guy like The Big Show to get him out. Some guys who ge thrown out only hit with one foot, then carefully re-enter the match. There should be one superstar used to dominate the match, and I'm looking forward to it being the returning Kane. Hopefully he shatters his own elimination record, and I hope to see him at leats the runner-up this year. So much innovation, and so many angles can be used in the Royal Rumble, and I really hope we see a lot of character developement, as well as an unpredictable event, in what I like to think of as the most important event of the year.

**Aussie Skier** · 10-21-2004, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06

Stars should be chucked out left and right, and the focus should be on the intensity of every person in the match in different ways. Guys go and sit at the announcer's table, guys hide under the ring. Some wrestlers team up on a guy like The Big Show to get him out. Some guys who ge thrown out only hit with one foot, then carefully re-enter the match. There should be one superstar used to dominate the match, and I'm looking forward to it being the returning Kane. Hopefully he shatters his own elimination record, and I hope to see him at leats the runner-up this year. So much innovation, and so many angles can be used in the Royal Rumble, and I really hope we see a lot of character developement, as well as an unpredictable event, in what I like to think of as the most important event of the year.

Your right about that. this year, the rumble brought us:
angle developments
Christian and Jericho
Kane and Taker
possibly Big Show and Cena
Lesner and Goldberg
Foley and Orton
Benoit and HHH
Benoit and Shawn Michaels

**The Cerebral Assassin** · 10-21-2004, 05:07 AM

I predict Randy Orton will win it.

Here's how the Rumble will transpire.

1. Val Venis
2. Funaki
3. Maven
4. Steven Richards
5. Luther Reigns
6. The Hurricane
7. Charlie Haas
8. Rodney Mack
9. Bob Holly
10. Gene Snitsky
11. Mark Jindrak
12. Randy Orton
13. Chavo Guerrero
14. Chris Benoit
15. Eddie Guerrero
16. Shelton Benjamin
17. Carlito Cool
18. Rosey
19. Kurt Angle
20. Ric Flair
21. Booker T
22. Batista
23. John Cena
24. Sylvain Grenier
25. Rob Van Dam
26. Robere Conway
27. Rene Dupree
28. HBK
29. The Big Show
30. Edge

Val Venis eliminates Funaki.

Maven and Val Venis brawl until Stevie Richards enters the ring. The double team him and eliminate him. Maven then dumps Val Venis out of the ring.

Luther Reigns enters and throws Maven out.

Luther Reigns throws the Hurricane out.

Charlie Haas and Luther Reigns brawl. Then Rodney Mack enters and Reigns and Mack double team Haas. However, Haas manages to stay in the ring.

Bob Holly enters and begins cleaning house with everyone until Snitsky enters. Snitsky tosses Holly out. Snitsky eliminates Rodney Mack. Snitsky throws Haas out of the ring.

Reigns and Snitsky brawl a bit before Snitsky gorilla presses Reigns out of the ring.

Snitsky throws Jindrak out.

Randy Orton enters and knocks Snitsky out with an RKO. He tries to eliminate him but Snitsky battles out of it and he and Orton continue brawling.

Chavo enters and attacks Orton, but is tossed out for his troubles.

Snitsky and Orton continue battling it out.

Benoit enters and he and Orton attempt to dump Snitsky out, but he holds on to the bottom rope.

Eddie enters and begins fighting with Benoit while Orton works Snitksy over.

Shelton enters and brawls with Orton.

Carlito then enters and tries to eliminate Snitsky only to be thrown out like a lawn dart.

Rosey enters and goes right for Snitsky. They brawl a bit, but Snitksy suplexes him out of the ring.

Meanwhile Shelton and Orton struggle to stay in the ring, while Benoit has Eddie locked in a crossface.

Kurt Angle then enters and goes for Guerrero until Benoit german suplexes and attempts apply the sharpshooter. Angle fight out begins kicking Benoit.

Guerrero is down and bleeding.

Ric Flair then enters and goes for Orton. Flair attempts to dump Orton out only to be crotched then yanked out by Orton. Benjamin then goes to work on Orton again.

Batista enters and attempts to eliminate Orton. Orton and shelton double team Batista only to have Snitsky attack Benjamin. Snitsky tosses Benjamin out.

Snitsky and Batista begin brawling. Snitsky gets the upperhand but is only thrown through the second rope.

John Cena enters and goes for Kurt Angle who has been fighting Benoit. Cena battle Angle until Batista attacks Cena and he and Angle toss him out.

Angle then crotches Batista and tosses him out.

Orton recovers and goes for Angle. He sneaks up on him and throws him out.

Sylvain enters and knocked right back out by Orton.

Benoit gets Eddie over the top rope, but is knocked due to a momentum shift. Orton then knocks Eddie out of the ring.

Snitsky gets back in the ring goes to work on Orton once more.

RVD enters goes after Snitsky. He manages to get Snitsky over the rope, but is suplexed over and out by Snitsky.

Robere enters and is thrown out by Orton.

Rene comes out but refuses to enter the ring.

HBK enters and tosses Dupree in and then Orton tosses Dupree out.

Snitsky double chokeslams Orton and KBK, but is startled when the Big Show comes out.

Big Show slaps Snitsky and mauls him in the corner.

Big Show lifts Snitsky with one hand and dumps him out of the ring.

Edge then enters and goes for HBK.

Orton attempts to brawl with Big Show but is squashed under his big ass.

Edge, HBK, and Orton triple team Big Show.

They rush him and throw him over the top only to be eliminated by their own momentum. Orton managed to hold on drag himself back into the ring.

**Lara Emily** · 10-21-2004, 06:35 AM

Cena shouldn't headline Mania, then again neither should Orton, but I'll go with Orton

**Mr. Nerfect** · 10-21-2004, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Lara Emily

Cena shouldn't headline Mania, then again neither should Orton, but I'll go with Orton

My thoughts exactly. Both are too young in the business to really carry the biggest event. In two eyars I think both will be good choices. Next year would be a bit predictable for one or both to win the Rumble, but I can see one or both of them headlining their brand's respective title match.

**Aussie Skier** · 10-21-2004, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Alienoid06

My thoughts exactly. Both are too young in the business to really carry the biggest event. In two eyars I think both will be good choices. Next year would be a bit predictable for one or both to win the Rumble, but I can see one or both of them headlining their brand's respective title match.

as an aside, brock headlined.
altho he was wrestling the best wrestling in theworld (probably).

i think both are capable of wrestling in the main event, but i'd rather see something else.

Personally, I'd love to see Booker T VS Kurt Angle for the belt!

**The Cerebral Assassin** · 10-21-2004, 08:50 PM

1. Al Snow
2. Albert
3. Big Bossman
4. Big Show
5. Billy Gunn
6. Bradshaw
7. British Bulldog
8. Bubba Ray Dudley
9. Bull Buchanan
10. Chris Jericho
11. Chris Benoit
12. Christian
13. Crash Holly
14. D-Von Dudley
15. D'Lo Brown
16. Dean Malenko
17. Eddie Guerrero
18. Edge
19. Essa Rios
20. Faarooq
21. Funaki
22. Gangrel
23. Godfather
24. Grandmaster Sexay
25. Hardcore Holly
26. Jeff Hardy
27. Joey Abs
28. K-Kwik
29. Kane
30. Kurt Angle
31. Mark Henry
32. Matt Hardy
33. Mick Foley
34. Mideon
35. Perry Saturn
36. Pete Gas
37. Rikishi
38. Road Dogg
39. Rodney
40. Scotty Too Hotty
41. Steve Blackman
42. Steve Austin
43. Steven Richards
44. Taka Michnioku
45. Tazz
46. Test
47. The Rock
48. Triple H
49. Undertaker
50. Val Venis
51. Viscera
52. William Regal
53. X-Pac

1. BB
2. Chyna
3. Ivory
4. Jacqueline
5. Lita
6. Luna
7. Terri
8. The Kat
9. Tori
10. Trish Stratus

**Mr. Nerfect** · 10-22-2004, 05:58 PM

I would like to see something innovative done in the 2005 Royal Rumble. I think it would be interesting to see the #1 and #2 entrants make a pact of sorts, and either team up on all the other entrants afterwards, or build up and sort of make a stable of such in the Rumble. Another idea I wouldn't mind seeing is all the people in the Rumble deciding to wait until everyone has entered, to eliminate the luck part of the Rumble. Then have an entrant from #10-15, like Kane come in and destroy everyone in the Rumble, and make it utter chaos.

10-20-2004, 12:08 AM	#1
Aussie Skier So long, Eddie! miss you. Posts: 1,910	royal rumble very early, any1 game to make a pick? I say Booker T or Big Show Top 5 Favourite wrestlers: 1. Carlito Cool 2. Chris Benoit 3. Randy Orton 4. Christian 5. Kurt Angle

10-20-2004, 12:09 AM	#2
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	Randy Orton

10-20-2004, 12:11 AM	#3
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Orotn, Cena or Taker

10-20-2004, 12:36 AM	#5
V Formerly Ġoh�ń3k Posts: 5,009	orton or cena i'd say hoping for cena but it's likely going to be orton

10-20-2004, 12:56 AM	#6
OssMan The Classic Dylan Staples Posts: 51,458	does anyone know where it is going to take place

10-20-2004, 01:04 AM	#7
Shadow Shadow Conspircy leader Posts: 18,582	Please... Randy Orton all the way.

10-20-2004, 01:56 AM	#8
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	My money's on Orton.

10-20-2004, 01:59 AM	#9
The One Boss Posts: 17,611	I would put my early money on Orton, I don't think that Cena will be main eventing THIS years WrestleMania...just my prediction... MY hope and dream would be Jericho winning, and taking the title off of Triple H...only no Stephanie this time around...

10-20-2004, 02:18 AM	#10
Boondock Saint Posts: 8,795	I sense Orton winning it at this moment.

10-20-2004, 10:59 AM	#11
nWo 4 Life n00b World order 4 Life! Posts: 106	Orton would be logical in the same fashion as Benoit earlier this year. (You know, enter first, get the crap beat out of you but still win). However, someone like Jericho or Cena to challenge for the WWE ttle on SD, having Jericho jump ship, would clear the way for an Orton title chase, like Austin in '99. But this is WWE, so expect Orton in about number 12 and winning by throwing out someone like RVD.

10-20-2004, 11:10 AM	#14
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	Orton

10-20-2004, 11:07 AM	#12
Mikey Posts: 4,668	If it is a Raw superstar Randy Orton Smackdown: Kurt Angle

10-20-2004, 11:08 AM	#13
HankScorpio PSN: SirHankScorpio Posts: 1,363	I'm going on the record as saying that Brock Lesnar is going to win it (its worth a shot, LOL)

10-20-2004, 11:15 AM	#15
jerichoholic169 Posts: 585	i reckon in the months leading up to the rumble, orton is going to be denied a title shot by HHH continuely. this then leads to orton winning the rumble and thus HHH having no way of stopping him having his title shot. and hopefully they'll build it up the right way by not having them in the ring together and really make it to be a good build up. of course i'd equally like jericho to win but personally i can see him in the title match at the rumble. hopefully as champion as well. then again i'd mark the fuck out if lesnar made a surprise return to the rumble that wasnt leaked etc. now that would be shocking!!

10-20-2004, 12:32 PM	#16
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Well it depends which show has the Main Event for Mania. If Smackdown gets it, then I see Cena. Maybe Taker, but with the way the WWE has been lately in pushing the young guys, who are over, really quickly, then I wouldn't be surprised if it was Cena. If Raw, then Orton. Orton-HHH Mania.

10-20-2004, 06:07 PM	#17
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,523	The Undertaker seems to be a likely choice. Kurt Angle vs. The Undertaker at WrestleMania 21 seems to be what a lot of sources are saying is likely. Randy Orton another guy that I would assume is right up there. I hope they don't give it to Orton, though, as that is WAY too predictable. I would like to see Orton lose the Rumble, then have him really get personal with Triple H, and have a lot of heat thrown into the feud. This leads to Triple H actually wanting to face Orton at Mania. I think that would be a better route to take. I personally would like to see Kane or Chris Jericho win, though. Two longshot guys on RAW that have always been there, but never been there (if you get what I mean). Winning the Rumble would be a great way to bring Kane back (especially if he entered #1 and dominated the entire match). Kane could then either go to Smackers and challenge The Undertaker or Kurt Angle at WrestleMania (maybe in a Triple Threat or Fatal Fourway with Eddie Guerrero or JBL) or stay on RAW and challenge Triple H, which would be a great way to put the World Heavyweight Championship on Kane. If Jericho won, I'd love to see him jump over to SmackDown! and win the title from Kurt Angle at WrestleMania 21. Then he can feud with Eddie Guerrero, and eventually The Undertaker & JBL. Shawn Michaels is another guy I can see winning and jumping ship, and for some reason I can see Gene Snitsky winning, but not getting a title shot due to a "more desired" match with Kane at Mania.

10-20-2004, 06:17 PM	#18
Eunos Bastard Deer Posts: 1,385	Really needs to be A Raw superstar to win this time. Currently it's Smackdown 2 - 0 Raw in Royal rumbles. Even though Benoit moved to raw the next night he was a Smackdown wrestler when he won it so i classify it as a Smackdown Voctory. Anyway Randy is definatly the best choice to win... making Randy and Cena the final 2 in the Rumble would be awesome.

10-20-2004, 06:20 PM	#19
BigDaddyCool Pelvic Sorcerer Posts: 64,762	I hate how the Rumble is done now. Maybe it shouldn't mean anything any more, and just be a one time honour, like KOTR used to be.

10-20-2004, 06:55 PM	#21
Deceit Member Posts: 533	Orton or Cena. Hell, they might even pull a RR 1994 and make both of them go over the ropes at the same time and hit the ground, thus allowing them to have 2 #1 contenders for RAW and Smackdown.

10-20-2004, 06:59 PM	#22
tucsonspeed6 Banned WWE on 1/1/07 Posts: 2,141	I'll pick Orton. It's gotta be him because you know they're gonna push a HHH/Orton ME for WM21...

10-20-2004, 10:41 PM	#24
PorkSoda Diabetes Coming To Getcha Posts: 6,826	Who I'd like to see win it: Garrison Cade Besides him then either Edge or Christian. Orton, Kurt Angle or John Cena may be the ones. I don't know

10-21-2004, 12:32 AM	#25
Aussie Skier So long, Eddie! miss you. Posts: 1,910	I havent said Orton because I think it would be too predictable. Last year, I tipped Benoit. I wasn't 100% behind him to win, but then, I wasnt watching wrestling all that closely. Year before, it had to be Lesner Year before, HHH won it right...i forget...but he was being mega pushed after coming back from his dodgy calf. Thats why this year i have tipped Booker T or Big Show. There might be an outside chance that booker T or big show will be champ by this time anywayz, but if they're not, then they could both main event WM21. From Raw, only Orton can win it. I'd say the favourites are: Raw Orton; Will main event WM21, almost without a doubt, just gotta see whether he will win the rumble in order to get that honour. Jericho; lost the IC belt. Either they are going to fumble around with him like they always do, or will give him the win and get him the title. Kane; Could be in line FINALLY for a world title run (of more than 1 day!) - but he is away filming, so maybe not. Edge; hmmm, depends how over he can get i think. No one else has a chance, maybe with the exception of HBK (highly doubtful), shelton Benjamin (hope not), Batista, Christian (as if they'd give him a main event - fuking wwe) Smackdown Cena; obvious choice, but he will be away filming. he is the most over wrestler on raw, but doubt he'll get it (if a young over guy gets it, it'll be randy) Booker T; my tip, i think within the next 5 month booker will have the wwe title...and this could be the perfect leadup! Big show; like booker, i expect him to have the title again soon, and like booker, this would be a perfect leadup. Angle; is a pretty good chance IMO The only otherwith an outside chance is Taker or JBL, but i doubt either of those will win (esspecially because JBL was first one out this year!!!)

10-21-2004, 01:30 AM	#27
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	I'm about 99.9999999% sure Cena will be back by the end of January, in fact I think he's supposed to be back much sooner than that. If I was putting money on it, I would say Orton is the guy to lay money on. For the simple fact that he's positioned to work Hunter this year, and Hunter probably wants to be in the ME. However, I think this year's Mania will fall short in terms of buys. Combined that with the fact that Orton has shown no ability to be 'the guy' and I could see a scenario playing out where HHH takes a slight back seat like he did in Seattle. So I could see them giving the "main event" spot to a SD guy. Last week I would have said that guy was Taker. However, he's coming off a title chase story that did less than 200,000 buys. I cant see how that would make the WWE feel good about putting him in a top spot. Coupled with that you have this Cena "injury" and I'm sure that will lead to a big storybook comeback, and what better way to make a comeback than to win the Rumble and headline Wrestlemania? Cena is legitimately over (unlike Orton), so I think putting him in the top spot would be a safer move. Of course the Rumble at this point means a lot less than it used to. Now you've got two champs, so even if one guy loses, he'll still have another shot to "headline" Wrestlemania (the two title matches will get equal billing no matter who goes on last). I mean I guess the "last match" spot is on the line, but as the past 3 Manias have shown, that isn't necessarily the "main event" spot on the card.

10-21-2004, 05:07 AM	#30
The Cerebral Assassin The Crusher Posts: 1,690	I predict Randy Orton will win it. Here's how the Rumble will transpire. 1. Val Venis 2. Funaki 3. Maven 4. Steven Richards 5. Luther Reigns 6. The Hurricane 7. Charlie Haas 8. Rodney Mack 9. Bob Holly 10. Gene Snitsky 11. Mark Jindrak 12. Randy Orton 13. Chavo Guerrero 14. Chris Benoit 15. Eddie Guerrero 16. Shelton Benjamin 17. Carlito Cool 18. Rosey 19. Kurt Angle 20. Ric Flair 21. Booker T 22. Batista 23. John Cena 24. Sylvain Grenier 25. Rob Van Dam 26. Robere Conway 27. Rene Dupree 28. HBK 29. The Big Show 30. Edge Val Venis eliminates Funaki. Maven and Val Venis brawl until Stevie Richards enters the ring. The double team him and eliminate him. Maven then dumps Val Venis out of the ring. Luther Reigns enters and throws Maven out. Luther Reigns throws the Hurricane out. Charlie Haas and Luther Reigns brawl. Then Rodney Mack enters and Reigns and Mack double team Haas. However, Haas manages to stay in the ring. Bob Holly enters and begins cleaning house with everyone until Snitsky enters. Snitsky tosses Holly out. Snitsky eliminates Rodney Mack. Snitsky throws Haas out of the ring. Reigns and Snitsky brawl a bit before Snitsky gorilla presses Reigns out of the ring. Snitsky throws Jindrak out. Randy Orton enters and knocks Snitsky out with an RKO. He tries to eliminate him but Snitsky battles out of it and he and Orton continue brawling. Chavo enters and attacks Orton, but is tossed out for his troubles. Snitsky and Orton continue battling it out. Benoit enters and he and Orton attempt to dump Snitsky out, but he holds on to the bottom rope. Eddie enters and begins fighting with Benoit while Orton works Snitksy over. Shelton enters and brawls with Orton. Carlito then enters and tries to eliminate Snitsky only to be thrown out like a lawn dart. Rosey enters and goes right for Snitsky. They brawl a bit, but Snitksy suplexes him out of the ring. Meanwhile Shelton and Orton struggle to stay in the ring, while Benoit has Eddie locked in a crossface. Kurt Angle then enters and goes for Guerrero until Benoit german suplexes and attempts apply the sharpshooter. Angle fight out begins kicking Benoit. Guerrero is down and bleeding. Ric Flair then enters and goes for Orton. Flair attempts to dump Orton out only to be crotched then yanked out by Orton. Benjamin then goes to work on Orton again. Batista enters and attempts to eliminate Orton. Orton and shelton double team Batista only to have Snitsky attack Benjamin. Snitsky tosses Benjamin out. Snitsky and Batista begin brawling. Snitsky gets the upperhand but is only thrown through the second rope. John Cena enters and goes for Kurt Angle who has been fighting Benoit. Cena battle Angle until Batista attacks Cena and he and Angle toss him out. Angle then crotches Batista and tosses him out. Orton recovers and goes for Angle. He sneaks up on him and throws him out. Sylvain enters and knocked right back out by Orton. Benoit gets Eddie over the top rope, but is knocked due to a momentum shift. Orton then knocks Eddie out of the ring. Snitsky gets back in the ring goes to work on Orton once more. RVD enters goes after Snitsky. He manages to get Snitsky over the rope, but is suplexed over and out by Snitsky. Robere enters and is thrown out by Orton. Rene comes out but refuses to enter the ring. HBK enters and tosses Dupree in and then Orton tosses Dupree out. Snitsky double chokeslams Orton and KBK, but is startled when the Big Show comes out. Big Show slaps Snitsky and mauls him in the corner. Big Show lifts Snitsky with one hand and dumps him out of the ring. Edge then enters and goes for HBK. Orton attempts to brawl with Big Show but is squashed under his big ass. Edge, HBK, and Orton triple team Big Show. They rush him and throw him over the top only to be eliminated by their own momentum. Orton managed to hold on drag himself back into the ring.

10-21-2004, 06:35 AM	#31
Lara Emily Hey Posts: 15,662	Cena shouldn't headline Mania, then again neither should Orton, but I'll go with Orton

10-21-2004, 08:50 PM	#34
The Cerebral Assassin The Crusher Posts: 1,690	1. Al Snow 2. Albert 3. Big Bossman 4. Big Show 5. Billy Gunn 6. Bradshaw 7. British Bulldog 8. Bubba Ray Dudley 9. Bull Buchanan 10. Chris Jericho 11. Chris Benoit 12. Christian 13. Crash Holly 14. D-Von Dudley 15. D'Lo Brown 16. Dean Malenko 17. Eddie Guerrero 18. Edge 19. Essa Rios 20. Faarooq 21. Funaki 22. Gangrel 23. Godfather 24. Grandmaster Sexay 25. Hardcore Holly 26. Jeff Hardy 27. Joey Abs 28. K-Kwik 29. Kane 30. Kurt Angle 31. Mark Henry 32. Matt Hardy 33. Mick Foley 34. Mideon 35. Perry Saturn 36. Pete Gas 37. Rikishi 38. Road Dogg 39. Rodney 40. Scotty Too Hotty 41. Steve Blackman 42. Steve Austin 43. Steven Richards 44. Taka Michnioku 45. Tazz 46. Test 47. The Rock 48. Triple H 49. Undertaker 50. Val Venis 51. Viscera 52. William Regal 53. X-Pac 1. BB 2. Chyna 3. Ivory 4. Jacqueline 5. Lita 6. Luna 7. Terri 8. The Kat 9. Tori 10. Trish Stratus

10-22-2004, 05:58 PM	#35
Mr. Nerfect Posts: 61,523	I would like to see something innovative done in the 2005 Royal Rumble. I think it would be interesting to see the #1 and #2 entrants make a pact of sorts, and either team up on all the other entrants afterwards, or build up and sort of make a stable of such in the Rumble. Another idea I wouldn't mind seeing is all the people in the Rumble deciding to wait until everyone has entered, to eliminate the luck part of the Rumble. Then have an entrant from #10-15, like Kane come in and destroy everyone in the Rumble, and make it utter chaos.