Bret Hart on the Score rips into Flair once again

[The Answer]

He will be trashing flair again from what I know

[John la Rock]

Too bad I don't have cable

[Took]

You mean the score network right? I gotte see this!

[The Answer]

Originally Posted by Took You mean the score network right? I gotte see this!

Yes he will be on in a little while

[Took]

Originally Posted by DeadManWalkin Yes he will be on in a little while

Thanks for sharing the tip man.

[The Answer]

Bret is next.Some interesting quotes already."Flair is a 5/10 wrestler", "I will put my worst matches against his best matches and I still come out looking better".

Other quotes in they interview
"Flair was an ass whip in all the promotions he worked with","Flair get's lost in the ring and then takes a turnbuckle flop"

[Evil Vito]

Right, there goes the respect I had left for Bret right down the toilet.

[Volchok]

how dare Bret make fun of the Flair Flop!!! thats the only thing Flair can do these days...

[Took]

Bret speaks the truth!

Fuck Flair!

[The Naitch]

Bret screwed Bret

[Took]

Originally Posted by The Naitch Bret screwed Bret

Only the ignorant believe that. Besides, what does that have to do with anything right now?

[The Naitch]

Bret should quit bitching already. His life is full of negativity

[Volchok]

what should happen is Flair should call out Bret, issue a challange to him and then leave it to Bret, to see if hes all talk or not..

[V]

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 Right, there goes the respect I had left for Bret right down the toilet.

do you expect him to praise flair after the stuff flair said in his book? If anything i'd lose respect if he didn't defend himself, Bret's not the one who started this.

[Took]

You know, everyone, especially in Canada, always want Bret to do interviews and request him on their shows and things..everyone always asks Bret about everything. Why should Bret lie and sugar coat his issues with certain people? If anything I respect the hell outta Bret due to the fact he speaks his mind and gives his honest opinions on everything and everyone.
Bret has always been a straight-shooter, and has always been a top notch guy who wouldnt have to say anything bad about others if some people would just shut up about him. Did Flair even need to bring up the owen thing and how bret should have hnadled that in his friggin book? Fuck no, but flair now kisses ass, and wants to seel his book, and the Hart name sells copy. He used that for his own no good desires, and that pissed Bret off. It'd piss me off too. So fuck old man Flair. Now he's getting it from Bret.

[Volchok]

Took.. would you please shut the hell up..

[MVP]

I wish I could be watching it.

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Took You know, everyone, especially in Canada, always want Bret to do interviews and request him on their shows and things..everyone always asks Bret about everything. Why should Bret lie and sugar coat his issues with certain people? If anything I respect the hell outta Bret due to the fact he speaks his mind and gives his honest opinions on everything and everyone. Bret has always been a straight-shooter, and has always been a top notch guy who wouldnt have to say anything bad about others if some people would just shut up about him. Did Flair even need to bring up the owen thing and how bret should have hnadled that in his friggin book? Fuck no, but flair now kisses ass, and wants to seel his book, and the Hart name sells copy. He used that for his own no good desires, and that pissed Bret off. It'd piss me off too. So fuck old man Flair. Now he's getting it from Bret.

That's what Foley thinks as well.

[Corkscrewed]

I actually repped Took for that.

I never thought I'd actually rep Took... ever...

[FakeLaser]

I love you Bret

[The One]

Brett Hart - Whinny
Richard Fliehr - Asshole

Hitman & Nature Boy - Pure Legend

The way I roughly equate this rivalry is it is like when your parent divorce. You love them both, but you can clearly see the faults they both are at. Neither of them comes out smelling like roses in this one. The fact is that neither man has had a perfect career, professionally or personally. Neither man is without blame. Both of them however are acting like children by exploiting the other for...more respect? Come on now guys, I understand if you don't like each other, and I can see how maybe the two of you dont quite agree on what is and isn't good wrestling, but at least have the professionalism to see that both of you have given your lives to this industry and have both furthered it for the better. That's my take on it anyway.

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by Corkscrewed I actually repped Took for that. I never thought I'd actually rep Took... ever...

LOL, same here, good going Took.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Took You know, everyone, especially in Canada, always want Bret to do interviews and request him on their shows and things..everyone always asks Bret about everything. Why should Bret lie and sugar coat his issues with certain people? If anything I respect the hell outta Bret due to the fact he speaks his mind and gives his honest opinions on everything and everyone. Bret has always been a straight-shooter, and has always been a top notch guy who wouldnt have to say anything bad about others if some people would just shut up about him. Did Flair even need to bring up the owen thing and how bret should have hnadled that in his friggin book? Fuck no, but flair now kisses ass, and wants to seel his book, and the Hart name sells copy. He used that for his own no good desires, and that pissed Bret off. It'd piss me off too. So fuck old man Flair. Now he's getting it from Bret.

But the Hart name wasn't even used to promote the book. How does putting the name "Hart" in the book make Flair money when it is only something you discover AFTER you've made a transaction for the book? Bret shouldn't sugar coat his issues with people, but syaing "he's a five out of ten wrestler" is pathetic. How is that anymore honourable than what Flair did?

Flair's best match against Bret's worst match? I haven't seen many of either guys, but I'm pretty sure Bret's worst match (and I'm sure he's had his share of barely watchable's, no matter how rare they are) would not compare to the "masterpieces" of Ric Flair. Ric Flair vs. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat in NWA ranks among the best matches of all time in a lot of people's books, and Hart says its got nothing on his worst match? That is a HUGE lie, IMO.

In this world, you don't need to say bad things about other people at all. Flair can say what he wants, but Hart responding makes him look like an old dog/little child. Flair's got his opinion, and he's entitled to give it. You mentioned why Flair had to mention the Bret/Owen situation? Because it was a piece of info Flair had yet to be revealed to the world. How is Flair speaking his mind any different from Hart speaking his?

I have respect for both men, and both are uncomparible in the world of Sports and Entertainment. Flair didn't "start anything" with Hart, Flair wrote a piece of information that he is allowed to comment on in his book. Hart took it to the next level. You can't have a game of tennis without a person to hit the ball back. Hart just should of let Flair have his game of squash and let it go, IMO.

[Took]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 But the Hart name wasn't even used to promote the book. How does putting the name "Hart" in the book make Flair money when it is only something you discover AFTER you've made a transaction for the book? Bret shouldn't sugar coat his issues with people, but syaing "he's a five out of ten wrestler" is pathetic. How is that anymore honourable than what Flair did? Flair's best match against Bret's worst match? I haven't seen many of either guys, but I'm pretty sure Bret's worst match (and I'm sure he's had his share of barely watchable's, no matter how rare they are) would not compare to the "masterpieces" of Ric Flair. Ric Flair vs. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat in NWA ranks among the best matches of all time in a lot of people's books, and Hart says its got nothing on his worst match? That is a HUGE lie, IMO. In this world, you don't need to say bad things about other people at all. Flair can say what he wants, but Hart responding makes him look like an old dog/little child. Flair's got his opinion, and he's entitled to give it. You mentioned why Flair had to mention the Bret/Owen situation? Because it was a piece of info Flair had yet to be revealed to the world. How is Flair speaking his mind any different from Hart speaking his? I have respect for both men, and both are uncomparible in the world of Sports and Entertainment. Flair didn't "start anything" with Hart, Flair wrote a piece of information that he is allowed to comment on in his book. Hart took it to the next level. You can't have a game of tennis without a person to hit the ball back. Hart just should of let Flair have his game of squash and let it go, IMO.

I wont bother to debate the fact Hart thinks Flair basically sucks. That is his opinion, so whatever.
But I will say this about the Owen situation. Flair wrote about it in his book. The first question is why? He was not in the WWF at the time, and it does not really directly involve him in any way. He then goes on to question and critique the way Bret handled that situation in his book, saying Bret exploited his own borthers death. To be quite honest, Flair never had any right to claim that, and there really was no purpose for it in his book. This is about Flairs career..so why make mention of something that has nothing at all to do with that? I know I certainly would not enjoy somebody telling me how to handle a death in my family, especially by some outsider. Why would Bret feel any differently? And he may not have used that piece from his book to promote it, but down the line, the more controversy you stir up with it, the more sales are likely to go up. To me, that is the only reason he included that in his book. To stir up shit. Maybe to take a shot at Bret as well, whilst kissing some wwe ass.
If anybody exploited anything here, it's Flair in his book,

[Loose Cannon]

Originally Posted by Alienoid06 But the Hart name wasn't even used to promote the book. How does putting the name "Hart" in the book make Flair money when it is only something you discover AFTER you've made a transaction for the book? Bret shouldn't sugar coat his issues with people, but syaing "he's a five out of ten wrestler" is pathetic. How is that anymore honourable than what Flair did? Flair's best match against Bret's worst match? I haven't seen many of either guys, but I'm pretty sure Bret's worst match (and I'm sure he's had his share of barely watchable's, no matter how rare they are) would not compare to the "masterpieces" of Ric Flair. Ric Flair vs. Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat in NWA ranks among the best matches of all time in a lot of people's books, and Hart says its got nothing on his worst match? That is a HUGE lie, IMO. In this world, you don't need to say bad things about other people at all. Flair can say what he wants, but Hart responding makes him look like an old dog/little child. Flair's got his opinion, and he's entitled to give it. You mentioned why Flair had to mention the Bret/Owen situation? Because it was a piece of info Flair had yet to be revealed to the world. How is Flair speaking his mind any different from Hart speaking his? I have respect for both men, and both are uncomparible in the world of Sports and Entertainment. Flair didn't "start anything" with Hart, Flair wrote a piece of information that he is allowed to comment on in his book. Hart took it to the next level. You can't have a game of tennis without a person to hit the ball back. Hart just should of let Flair have his game of squash and let it go, IMO.

I'll say this. You do know that Ric Flair told Bret right to his face in 92 that Bret vs Bulldog at Wembley Stadium in 1992 was the greatest match he's ever seen right?

[Mayo]

Yeah I was watching this too. I think Bret is being a bit whiny, but he does have to defend himself from the bashing that the kiss ass Flair said about him. Although Flair is not a 5/10 wrestler, and Flair's best match is obviously better than Bret's worst, I think that Bret was simply just overemphasizing that he is the best wrestler in the world ever and nobody can hold a candle to him

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon I'll say this. You do know that Ric Flair told Bret right to his face in 92 that Bret vs Bulldog at Wembley Stadium in 1992 was the greatest match he's ever seen right?

So? Flair can be polite.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Took I wont bother to debate the fact Hart thinks Flair basically sucks. That is his opinion, so whatever. But I will say this about the Owen situation. Flair wrote about it in his book. The first question is why? He was not in the WWF at the time, and it does not really directly involve him in any way. He then goes on to question and critique the way Bret handled that situation in his book, saying Bret exploited his own borthers death. To be quite honest, Flair never had any right to claim that, and there really was no purpose for it in his book. This is about Flairs career..so why make mention of something that has nothing at all to do with that? I know I certainly would not enjoy somebody telling me how to handle a death in my family, especially by some outsider. Why would Bret feel any differently? And he may not have used that piece from his book to promote it, but down the line, the more controversy you stir up with it, the more sales are likely to go up. To me, that is the only reason he included that in his book. To stir up shit. Maybe to take a shot at Bret as well, whilst kissing some wwe ass. If anybody exploited anything here, it's Flair in his book,

They're some good points.

I don't know exactly what went down in Flair's book, but I think it said something along the lines of "Bret Hart used the death of his brother to gain some media attention for himself". Now I can't image what Bret Hart has gone through, and I can't image what it's like to lose a brother, and I certainly don't want to. It's fairly obvious that Bret loved Owen, and was hoping that one day the two would have a classic match together. Maybe an Iron Man Match at WrestleMania for the WWE Championship? But even if his acts were out of love, I cannot believe for a second Bret didn't think "I am getting some attention from this." or "I wonder how I am coming off after Owen's death.". It is human nature to have a little bit of your mind devoted to thinking about you, even when you have almost every other part of your mind focused on the other person.

I'm sure Bret was saddened, and I'm sure he did everything with good intentions, but I can't blame Flair for commenting on a situation like this in his book. Controversy does make for a good read, but I don't think Flair wrote this in to start stuff. From my understanding, all Flair did was make Bret look human by telling us that he may have used his brother's death to garnish sympathy and/or attention not only for the selfless reason of getting his brother recognised, but a little for himself, as a lot of other people in this world would. As a tribute, Bret Hart could have put one of Owen's logos on his attire permanently (I'm not sure if he did), and maybe died his hair to be like Owen's. Bringing yourself out into the media, does scream love, but if Hart didn't stop for a second to think about how this would make him look, I'd be shocked, because as much as we all like to immerse ourselves in that fantasy, even Breat Hart is a human being.

Flair never said Bret didn't love Owen (to my understanding), so why is Bret getting so upset about this? I believe it is because one of two things. One of them is that Hart is jealous. 16-time Heavyweight Champpion, Flair was always in the title scene, while Bret was sometimes demoted to mid-card status. Everything Hart has achieved title-wise has been accomplished by Flair (to my understanding). Flair is 50+ years old, and still going OK, where as Hart can never wrestle again, and he is quite a bit younger than Flair. Ric returned after a plane crash wrecked his back, which seemed fate's way of telling Ric "It's over." while Bret Hart got a stiff kick in the face and is out for probably the rest of his life.

For someone who feels he is the best, it would probably be very insulting to compare careers. Hart may feel the mediums of his career may not even scratch the lows of Flair's. I quite frankly know what either man thinks, but they're just the two to get into a childish "Well I did this..." converstaion. This upsets me because both have a place on the greatest wrestlers ever list, and they shouldn't be fighting, but rather trying to help mould the next generation of talent, and scout for who's got "it".

The other possibility to why Hart reacted so harshly (and probably the more accurate one) is that he's just stubborn. We've seen it before with the Montreal Screwjob. Hart likes to get things his way. If he can't manipulate ever part of his career, he gets upset. This is natural. I'm not disrespecting Hart in any way, I'm just saying he's human in a few senses.

Why did Hart get so upset about Montreal? Sure he wanted to keep the title in Montreal. Sure we felt it was because he loved Montreal and Canada, and it's his homeland, but another reason may be just because Hart didn't want to lose it then. All politics aside, the fans in attendance knew Hart was screwed over, everyone in Canada knew it, everyone in America knew it, everyone in Australia knew it, everyone in Sierra Lione knew it. There is NO WAY Hart tapped out to that Sharpshooter, and everyone knew that Hart lost the title only because he was screwed out of it. Appart from the fact that he never really lost the match in a sense, why was he so upset? Sure it was his home country, and sure it wasn't the finish he expected, but Hart came off looking credible in that match. Michaels got the title without beating Hart, what more could The Hitman want? He had a sympathy story, he basically was getting a lot of media attention. He didn't have the title, but he didn't really care about that, since he was leaving for WCW. So why did the title going to Shawn Michaels on PPV, the fans headed home going "Hart should have won that! He could have if he wasn't screwed!" piss off Bret so much? It was the better move from an sngle standpoint, and quite frankly a business standpoint.

It's no secret that Bret is a very proud person, and that incident dented his pride. He's been bitter at the WWE for the last few years, and has only recently made amends with Vince McMahon and co. If you insult Hart's pride you get shit for it. Will it be fair? Maybe not. Will it be rational? Probably not. But it will be there, and this incident with Flair has proved it. Why can't Hart just say "I loved my brother. Flair can think what he wants that's his opinion, and he's one of the greatest wrestlers of all time"?

Sorry about that little rant, and I'm in no way bitter towards anyone here, and I haven't lost any respect for either man (if they keep fighting, though...), it's just I seem to have a different line of thought to everyone here. Everyone's got a right to their opinions, and shouldn't be abused and insulted because of them if the moral here, I think.

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by Gohan3k do you expect him to praise flair after the stuff flair said in his book? If anything i'd lose respect if he didn't defend himself, Bret's not the one who started this.

I'm not saying that I think what Flair said was right. I didn't agree with what Flair said, but then again, it's his opinion, and usually when you come up with an auto-biography you're expected to say and tell everything.

What I don't like was that Bret felt the need to retaliate. I think that most times it's best to just not do anything rather than make things more tense. If Flair wants to be a dick and stir up shit, then let him. If anything, it'd be foiling his plans if Bret didn't do anything (and if Flair found that to be some sort of personal victory for himself, then he's even more of an asshole).

Basically, I believe that Bret would have looked like the more mature person if would have left things alone. But instead, he chose to retaliate with some of the most childest comments I've heard.

In all honesty, they are arguably 2 of the greatest wrestlers in history. And if you're one of them and you act completely biased and say that your worst stuff is better than they're best, it only makes you sound like an egotistical child.

So all in all, to Bret. That's just my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

[Loose Cannon]

^^ I don't know if you come from a family of really good morals or something, but if somebody took a shot at me like Flair did at Bret and Foley, I'm not going to sit there and do nothing. You dam right I'm firing back. Bret and Foley had every right to fire back at that shit face. Many writers, journalists, and people who talk to wrestlers on a daily basis say Flair was way out of line with his mention of Owen in his book. There was no reason at all to bring that up. Funny how Flair praises HHH in the book like he's Jesus Christ or something. Flair is a brown nowsing piece of shit who should of kept his mouth shut. Bret didn't start anything.

[Mr. JL]

I thought the segment came off making the wrestling business look bad. Especially since the Score analysists were kinda making fun of it afterwards.





There are WRESTLERS and then there are ENTERTAINERS.

Hart is a WRESTLER and is one of the best wrestlers in the business.
Flair is a ENTERTAINER and is one of the best entertainers in the business.

You CANNOT compare the two. They entertain the people on different levels.





Flair was out of line with his comments. And Hart should have just left Flair alone and let his comments die. Because if its not true and you know it is not then you don't need to stoop to his level.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Mr. JL I thought the segment came off making the wrestling business look bad. Especially since the Score analysists were kinda making fun of it afterwards. There are WRESTLERS and then there are ENTERTAINERS. Hart is a WRESTLER and is one of the best wrestlers in the business. Flair is a ENTERTAINER and is one of the best entertainers in the business. You CANNOT compare the two. They entertain the people on different levels. Flair was out of line with his comments. And Hart should have just left Flair alone and let his comments die. Because if its not true and you know it is not then you don't need to stoop to his level.

Exactly. Except Flair also has that wrestling aspect to him. I think of it as Hart as covering the sports part of wrestling, Foley covering the entertainment and Flair covering a hybrid of the two. I'd love to see a Round Robin tournament between the three one day, or a Triple Threat (maybe involving Shawn Michaels as either a fourth participant or a referee. But that probably won't happen now, with Hart unable to wrestle and all (not to mention their problems). Hart as a referee between a Flair vs. Foley vs. HBK match would be great, though.

Anyway, I agree with you saying Hart should have let the comments die. He can deny them, but lashing back makes him look childish, especially when his lashbacks have no merit.

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by Loose Cannon ^^ I don't know if you come from a family of really good morals or something, but if somebody took a shot at me like Flair did at Bret and Foley, I'm not going to sit there and do nothing. You dam right I'm firing back. Bret and Foley had every right to fire back at that shit face. Many writers, journalists, and people who talk to wrestlers on a daily basis say Flair was way out of line with his mention of Owen in his book. There was no reason at all to bring that up. Funny how Flair praises HHH in the book like he's Jesus Christ or something. Flair is a brown nowsing piece of shit who should of kept his mouth shut. Bret didn't start anything.

Yeah, I do come from a good-moralled family so that's kinda why I think the way I do.

But yeah, I know Bret didn't start anything. I'm just saying he shouldn't have continued it and let Flair bask in his "glory" (which would, in effect, make him look like an immature piece of shit).

My thinking is pretty much "You wanna take a shot at me? Fine then, take a shot at me, see if I give a shit...".

So in my eyes, I think everyone comes off as looking bad in this situation and it should just get dropped before it makes anyone look worse.

[Loose Cannon]

alright, fair enough

[V]

Originally Posted by Big Vito 22 Yeah, I do come from a good-moralled family so that's kinda why I think the way I do. But yeah, I know Bret didn't start anything. I'm just saying he shouldn't have continued it and let Flair bask in his "glory" (which would, in effect, make him look like an immature piece of shit). My thinking is pretty much "You wanna take a shot at me? Fine then, take a shot at me, see if I give a shit...". So in my eyes, I think everyone comes off as looking bad in this situation and it should just get dropped before it makes anyone look worse.

i didn't watch the interview but i'm pretty sure he was ASKED about flair, now would you gain respect if he lied and said flair's a good guy? If he said "no comment" it would be pretty lame.. he's being interviewed for a reason.

[Evil Vito]

Originally Posted by Gohan3k i didn't watch the interview but i'm pretty sure he was ASKED about flair, now would you gain respect if he lied and said flair's a good guy? If he said "no comment" it would be pretty lame.. he's being interviewed for a reason.

Actually, "no comment" is a way of telling the interviewer that it's a touchy subject and he doesn't feel like talking about it. When people sign up for interviews, I'm quite certain it says right in the appearance contract that the person being interviewed has the right to not answer the question if he chooses not too.

THAT was what Bret should have done. It woul've been a class-act thing to do.

[Mr. Nerfect]

Originally Posted by Gohan3k i didn't watch the interview but i'm pretty sure he was ASKED about flair, now would you gain respect if he lied and said flair's a good guy? If he said "no comment" it would be pretty lame.. he's being interviewed for a reason.

He should have said something along the lines of "I think it's no secret that I am a bit upset at the comments he made about me.", or just "I respect what Flair has done for the business, and I wish him the best for the future." h didn't need to lie and say Flair has nothing on him, which is just childish.