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Old 12-02-2004, 10:33 PM   #1
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Jeff Jarrett
OK folks. This has been bothering me for a long time now. What do you have against Jeff Jarrett? I hear only bitching and whinning about Jeff latly. I know we all like to down our noise at the guy who is winning alot and is in a position of major backstage stroke (no pun intended), but seriously what is it about him that people get so damn upset about? I hear people all the time just crying to their moms about him being the NWA World Heavyweight Champion...but here is a little known fact...NEITHER JEFF OR JERRY ARE ON THE NWA BOARD! The NWA World Title is desided by the NWA Board...unlike WWE were they owner of the company just throws a title on a guy, the NWA Board gets to say who holds the World Title...(and actually all of the regional Champs need to be cleared by them as well)...but that is only the beginning of my confusion.

I don't know how many times I have heard that people think too much of TNA is focused around Jeff. But who would you have them focus it on? Jarrett, Hall, and Nash are quite frankly the entertaining part of the show. In the ring Nash and Hall not so much, but to marks, honestly, most marks don't care about in ring performance. But that still doesn't take away the fact that Jarrett is a great in ring performer.

And I don't want to hear that he isn't a credible champion, he is a former 4-time WCW World Champion...and before any one of you say that the WCW Title doesn't count for shit, ask yourself if you have ever been mad at Vince for burying a former 4-time WCW Champion in Booker T (I say 4 time because that is how many times he was champ before comming to WWF). He is a former 6 time Intercontinental Champion. 3-time USWA World Champ, 2-time WWA (All-Stars) Would Champ,...etc. He has the credentials to be the World Champ of NWA...

So what is it? Honestly, what is it about The King of the Mountain, the Chosen One, Double J that you all seem to hate so much?
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Old 12-02-2004, 10:37 PM   #2
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Well, I have no beef with him now that I know he isn't the one giving him that HHHesque World Title push right now.
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Old 12-02-2004, 11:02 PM   #3
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Welcome to Planet Jarret

Double J is the man in TNA. His mic skills are great, and he is good in the ring. The kings of Wrestling are a lot of fun to watch. I know this angle has been done before in WCW but I didn't watch WCW then so its new to me.

Double J makes TNA exciting.
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Old 12-03-2004, 12:12 AM   #4
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He's boring in the ring, boring on the stick. Wha'ts with the guitar?
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Old 12-03-2004, 02:39 AM   #5
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I have nothing against him in fact I think I am one of the few around here who enjoyed him in WCW, I do however think that the board are stupid for not investing in Styles, Killings or Raven for a major title reign instead of just Jarrett.

And yes I know Styles and Killings have been champions but never for very long and they havent really had a chance to stamp there mark on the top of the card.
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Old 12-03-2004, 04:48 AM   #6
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He's past his time and as far as i know he had creative control backstage, which is wrong and would explain why he had the title for so fucking long. He wasn't even that great a champion, his matches were predictable as fuck(i know im six months behind on TNA but ive seen his matches) and he hardly ever sells anything.

Does that answer your stupid question?

Oh btw i find it funny that a guy who's greatest success in the WWE was the IC title can hold the world heavyweight title in TNA for so long, doesn't that kinda make TNA look weaker than the WWE?(we all know it is anyway, but you get what im saying)
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Old 12-03-2004, 10:16 AM   #7
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Wait, What the hell? Not on the board and doesn't decide who is Champion? Where did you hear this from? Jeff and Jerry run the promotion and were the bookers. Rhodes took over as lead booker like a week ago and his first full show will be the Jan. PPV. Not sure if Jerry still books. Of course they decide who gets to be champion, it's there fricken company. I never heard that about the NWA BOard before in my life with TNA. It's a fact that Jarrett has decided to keep the belt on him for so long because he believed he was the only legit name in the company, which might have been true in the begginning. I've read that time and time again and have heard it in interviews with other wrestlers

I really don't have a problem with Jeff keeping it for long, but when he drops it, it better be a eventful moment and not some kind of screwjob thing which makes the guy that got it off Jeff look week.
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Old 12-03-2004, 10:25 AM   #8
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LC is right. There is no NWA board. That died with the original NWA. As for Jarrett, I like him but I can understand everyone's frustration. Besides Styles, he's the only one who has had a long lasting, meaningful title reign.
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Old 12-03-2004, 03:29 PM   #9
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Watch Jarrett's match versus Hardy from Victory Road when he decided not to bump for the sunset flip powerbomb (twice), and that is why. He's not willing to do what is needed in the ring. However, I do not think Jarrett sucks but it is hard to watch when the fans are screaming their lungs out for guys like Styles, Raven, Monty Brown & Killings to become champion. Give the fans what they want! Why is this concept so hard to grasp in pro wrestling lately?

Plus, the WWE are doing the exact same thing, (with BOTH Triple H & JBL). They have their crew that help them out in order to win matches and keep the title for months and months on end. Yay! Raw, smackdown and the only competition is doing the same thing with their BIG champion... the wrestling scene is so original.:rolleyes:
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Old 12-04-2004, 12:13 AM   #10
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i am glad hardy did not get the belt, but it needs to change hands, i think monty brown would be good to hold it awhile. now it has been on free tv a few months other wrestlers are more known, they can hold the belt. when impact 1st came on jerret was about the only wrestler i really knew, but now we know the young wrestlers.
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Old 12-04-2004, 12:52 AM   #11
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i am glad hardy did not get the belt, but it needs to change hands, i think monty brown would be good to hold it awhile. now it has been on free tv a few months other wrestlers are more known, they can hold the belt. when impact 1st came on jerret was about the only wrestler i really knew, but now we know the young wrestlers.
And good day to you too sir.

Seriously, what is so hard for morons who run these things that the average wrestling fan doesn't want 10 year reigns. It's so.....1950.
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Old 12-04-2004, 04:06 AM   #12
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Jeff Jarrett was the WCW champion when the championship was the absolute weakest it had ever been up to that point. Him being on top put a nail in the WCW coffin. The guy is a good worker but good's about it. Nothing special. Adds nothing new at all and as a world champ or a main event focal star, he is a joke really.
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I predict at the ppv after turning point they're gonna put the title on Styles becuase they've been building him up as the "leader" of the TNA locker room.
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Old 12-04-2004, 01:33 PM   #14
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Jarret's in-ring ability is comparable to Charlie Haas's, maybe even a little worse. Jeff Jarrett is about as about as credible as O.J.'s testimony. I'm not going to get into this, he blows and there are about 7 other options for this title, but he continues to ruin his own company with his stroke and lineage backstage.
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Jarret's in-ring ability is comparable to Charlie Haas's, maybe even a little worse.
And thats bad how?
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Old 12-04-2004, 05:10 PM   #16
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I was pretty high on Jarrett in WCW (Listen up Slap Nuts-era) and in TNA, I was glad he won the King Of The Mountain match, but I am sick to death of him already as champion. Plus it peeves me even more that he's the one who books himself to win.
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Old 12-05-2004, 12:55 AM   #17
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Jarrett is boring.

He's not going to draw.

While I'm not a fan of Hardy, that might have got some viewers in (I doubt it would help the WWE much, but they're the fucking monopoly...They don't need to care...They could lead with Hogan vs. Spongebob and get better ratings than TNA...). Jarrett on top is a joke. It was in WCW and it still is now, and I don't give a fuck who is deciding it.
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I agree ^ the guy just doesn't have the "it" factor that most main-eventers have
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He doesn't even have the "it" factor most Mid Carders have.
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Old 12-05-2004, 01:48 AM   #20
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Jeff Jarrett is the overall package... for a generic wrestler.

He really cannot bring ratings for NWA-TNA. He is clearly trying to establish himself as some type of unstoppable force in professional wrestling (ex: Triple H), but it will not pay off.

He does not have the look, the in-ring skills, the charisma, or the mic skills.

Now, he is not a bad wrestler, but he should definately not be in the position he is in now.

I feel his best days are behind him, he used to be a tremendous athlete. I remember watching Shawn Michaels vs. Jeff Jarrett on an In Your House PPV, and it seemed like a 5 star classic.
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I wolud like to see a Monty Brown Vs. Raven program for the NWA title.
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One would think you'd watch it.

Espcially since youcan now jerk off over Nash and Hall.
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I bitch as much as anyone about HHH, but at leats he can point to a time period where he was one of the top draws in the industry, Jarrett cant do that, which is why he shouldn't be the dominant player on that show.

Raven would be a better choice, and a younger guy like Styles would be an even better choice.
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I bitch as much as anyone about HHH, but at leats he can point to a time period where he was one of the top draws in the industry, Jarrett cant do that, which is why he shouldn't be the dominant player on that show.

Raven would be a better choice, and a younger guy like Styles would be an even better choice.
I'd like to believe that Triple H was never a draw... and merely everyone around him WAS...

Austin, Rock, Jericho was on fire at that time, Foley, McMahon
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I'd like to believe that Triple H was never a draw... and merely everyone around him WAS...

Austin, Rock, Jericho was on fire at that time, Foley, McMahon
I'll give you Rock. HHH and Austin never crossed paths until after Austin was all but over. Jericho has always just been right under the surface and it has yet to be proven if he can draw. Foley...he was decent but HHH was also at the top of his game when they worked together. McMahon...no one ever went to see McMahon, they went to see Austin beat up McMahon, or Rock beat him up, or HHH beat him up (for that one weekend).

Just face facts, HHH drew, nowhere near the levels of Rock or Austin, but he does draw, and he draws better than any other member of the clique by himself.
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I'd like to believe that Triple H was never a draw... and merely everyone around him WAS...

Austin, Rock, Jericho was on fire at that time, Foley, McMahon
No, I've got to go with the notion that Triple H could draw. Pretty well, in fact. He used to play a solid heel figure back when he actually gave a fuck about wrestling.

But even if he wasn't, look at it this way: It's still ARGUABLE that he was a draw, as opposed to Jarrett, who has the Billy-Bob-McCoy touch (Like the midas touch, but everything he touches turns to pickled pig testicles...). He doesn't even HAVE the capacity to argue for someone else's successes.

Not to mention Triple H is still capable of some entertainment value once ni a while. Not enough to merit his constant main event slot, but enough to better justify it than Jarrett.

Of course, most of both the WWE and TNA locker rooms are better able to justify it...
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I bitch as much as anyone about HHH, but at leats he can point to a time period where he was one of the top draws in the industry, Jarrett cant do that, which is why he shouldn't be the dominant player on that show.

Raven would be a better choice, and a younger guy like Styles would be an even better choice.

HHH was also probably the best worker in the company pre Benoit.
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Old 12-05-2004, 04:15 PM   #30
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Old 12-05-2004, 07:29 PM   #31
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Old 12-07-2004, 08:27 PM   #32
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Old 12-06-2004, 01:06 AM   #33
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Old 12-06-2004, 01:50 AM   #34
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He is just lacking interest as all the other characters have something to them that makes them unique and he, well,... he is just that mid-carder that was on WWF oh so many years ago. I just don't think he should be the Main Event for a long time as there are so many young talents that are coming up and could do alot better job that Jarret can. But we'll wait and see.
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Old 12-07-2004, 12:58 AM   #35
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I've been a fan of Jeff Jarrett, and I've been so since he used to tag up with Owen Hart, but really he was never a guy that should have been made champion, he is a lot like Owen Hart is in fact. Sure Owen Hart was a better ring worker, but Jarrett is much better on the stick. Owen would have looked the same way holding the world championship, just not legit. The only thing that makes Owen better then Jeff is Owen's last name is Hart, and Jeff's last name is Jarrett, they are practally equal... Once again that is because Owen is better in ring but Jarrett is better on the stick, so don't complain that said Owen and Jarrett are equal in the ring, I'm saying they're equal overall...

All this being said Jarrett's failures as a World Champion and drawing ability is due not to his lack of skill but to his bad timing of becoming World Champion. WCW was dying around him when he became World Champ and there wasn't anyone legi around to make him look good, and Hogan could have but didn' and made Jarrett look worse. Jarrett is also a victaim in TNA. In TNA their is only one wrestler that isn't washed up that is as well know as him in the minds of wrestling fans, and that's Raven, so Jarrett is always going to look like a second teir champ, because he has no one better then him to beat to look good, he's just beating people below him on the totum pole.

Though I like Jarrett, they way you make him look good again is having him beat Savage at the next TNA PPV (not because it'll make him look good, but you gotta get rid of Savage.) Then at the February PPV have Jarrett drop the title to a guy like Christopher Daniels. Then what you do is you have Daniels feud with Styles, Killings, Raven, and Monty Brown. Have them throw them the title around to each other for like six months, say have 3 champions in that time like have Daniels drop it to Styles, and then Styles drop it to Raven... Then after you have all these guys looking good, putting on 5 star matches, and Jarrett has like a 3 month feud with Raven with Jarrett going over as top face, making him look real legit and making the whole TNA roster looking good.
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Old 12-07-2004, 08:44 PM   #36
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Old 12-07-2004, 08:54 PM   #37
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Being a "draw" doesn't necessarily mean you have to do Austin or Hogan type business. There are different levels of success when it comes to drawing. For example, the average shows under Nash's title run in New York was the low point for the company in the modern era, when Bret got the belt business went up. Nobody will ever say Bret was a bigger draw than say Austin, but he was a draw, he was able to put asses in seats, especially when it came to business outside the US.

With Jarrett, he doesn't sell any tickets, and the PPV and TV numbers TNA does are well below expectations, so he's a failure as a draw. Ditto in WCW, he was on top when the company literally couldn't sell 1,000 tickets to Nitro tapings. Those are all facts, not some crap I'm pulling from my ass because I dislike Jarrett (which I dont).

As for Hunter, there's no debating the fact that he was a draw. Did he come up at a good time? Yes, but he was also successful when given the ball. The problem is that he's no longer a draw, and yet he has a tighter grip on the top spot then he did when he actually was a draw. But despite the problems he's causing now, you cant deny what he did in the past.
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