Bonds and Steroids(It was inevitable)

**Apprentice** · 12-03-2004, 02:02 AM

Report: Bonds used steroids

December 3, 2004

SAN FRANCISCO (Ticker) - Barry Bonds' legendary career apparently forever will be tainted.

The San Francisco Chronicle reported on its website Thursday night that Bonds told a federal grand jury he used a clear substance and cream that he did not know were steroids.

A seven-time Most Valuable Player and just 53 home runs shy of breaking Hank Aaron's all-time record, the 40-year-old Bonds always had publicly denied taking performance-enhancing drugs.

According to the report, Bonds' revelation came out during testimony on December 4, 2003 in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroids case.

Bonds testified he received and used clear and cream substances from his personal trainer, Greg Anderson, during the 2003 baseball season but was told they were nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis.

During testimony, federal prosecutors confronted Bonds with documents indicating he had used steroids and a human growth hormone, but the San Francisco Giants' star denied the allegations.

The documents, many with Bonds' name on them, are dated from 2001 to 2003. Bonds set the single-season home run record with 73 in 2001.

Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, told the paper he was not surprised his client's testimony came out.

"My view has always been this case has been the U.S vs. Bonds, and I think the government has moved in certain ways in a concerted effort to indict my client," Rains said. "And I think their failure to indict him has resulted in their attempts to smear him publicly."

According to the report, a transcript shows that before he testified, Bonds was told he would not be prosecuted for any crimes he admitted as long as he told the truth to the grand jury. But if he lied under oath, he could face prosecution for perjury.

Earlier Thursday, the newspaper reported New York Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi also testified he injected himself with a human growth hormone.

Baseball commissioner Bud Selig responded to the report with the following statement:

"This once again demonstrates the need to implement a tougher and more effective major league drug-testing program. I have instructed (executive vice president of labor relations) Rob Manfred to look into this situation and to continue working with the Players Association to have a drug-testing program that mirrors the very effective policy we have in the minor leagues.

"I will leave no stone unturned in accomplishing our goal of zero tolerance by the start of spring training and am confident we will achieve this goal."

Fresh off winning his fourth straight MVP, Bonds has 703 career homers. He just 11 shy of tying Babe Ruth for second place on the all-time list.

Anderson, BALCO founder Victor Conte, lab vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny were charged with taking part in a steroid distribution ring that provided illegal substances to professional athletes. All four have pleaded not guilty.

Bonds, Giambi and Gary Sheffield of the Yankees were among those to testify in the investigation.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=st&type=lgns

**BCWWF** · 12-03-2004, 02:56 AM

That picture of him on Yahoo! is priceless, he looks like he's about to cry. Unlike Giambi though, he claims it was an "accident" so maybe theres a little leway

**VonErich Lives** · 12-03-2004, 03:52 AM

That's the same claim Sheff had a few months ago, that he used the cream on Bonds advice when he got injured and didn't know it was a roid.

**Excellance of Execution** · 12-03-2004, 07:06 AM

It's pretty obvious that both Bond's and Giambi use steroids. Bond's can say he used it without knowing all he want's, the truth will come out soon enough. Atleast Giambi admitted it (not that it make's it right), but atleast he finally told the truth. I think it would be a shame for baseball, if Bond's passed Babe Ruth. With all this coming out, in my eyes, Bond's isn't even close to Ruth in stature.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-03-2004, 08:10 AM

They were reading some of the tanscript today and Giambi says he had discussions w/ the owner of Balco who in some fassion let it be known that the stuff did contain roids.

**Loose Cannon** · 12-03-2004, 10:26 AM

I mean, I've said it all along that Bonds used steroids. I knew Giambi used it too, but never really said anything bad about him cause he's a Yankee

But, I mean with the withdrawls Giambi had this year, after being off the juice, the evidence was right there.

So now what? Bonds has used illegal drugs to enhance his preformance and I'm suppossed to take his records seriously? But then you have to ask yourself, maybe Ruth used enhancing drugs too, that might have been legal back then. I'm pretty sure Big Mac got his hands on some. Probably a lot of those homerun guys used them. I mean, I'm just guessing, but it does cross your mind when thinking about stuff like this.

**Apprentice** · 12-03-2004, 11:46 AM

I duno if we should take the records seriously. Bonds still does have skill. I do find it interesting that after Giambi took the steroids, he just started to suck badly, while Bonds just flourished. I duno. Its hard to say whether he could have done all this without the steroids, but there's no doubt it will taint all his records and MVPs.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-03-2004, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Apprentice

I duno if we should take the records seriously. Bonds still does have skill. I do find it interesting that after Giambi took the steroids, he just started to suck badly, while Bonds just flourished. I duno. Its hard to say whether he could have done all this without the steroids, but there's no doubt it will taint all his records and MVPs.

Actually, Giambi did great on the roids, his decline was when he got off them last year and there's still questions about his sickness if it was caused by the roids.

**The Outlaw** · 12-03-2004, 01:44 PM

lol "unknowingly"

**John la Rock** · 12-03-2004, 01:53 PM

Ya I'm sure he took them unknowingly

But I still have respect for Bonds because he has been a consistent All Star his whole career. Even if he was not on the roids he still would have hit at least 330 and would probably have hit 40-50 home runs.

**John la Rock** · 12-03-2004, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Actually, Giambi did great on the roids, his decline was when he got off them last year and there's still questions about his sickness if it was caused by the roids.

Did he take roids when he was in Oakland? His New York Numbers are shit compared to when he played for the A's.

12-03-2004, 03:41 PM

Bonds and Giambi took roids! I don't believev it!

signed "The sky is blue, and water is wet"

**DegenerationY** · 12-03-2004, 04:15 PM

Whoever didn't see this coming is ignorant.

Whether or not he knew what he was taking was steroids, it still had steroids in it.

Moving on, though, Bonds, before the roids was still an MVP caliber player.

I hate how ESPN is playing this up like it's a HUGE revelation, and that the world of baseball will never be the same. Shut the fuck up! They interviewed Ellis Burks (a former team-mate of Bonds) and they were throwing loaded questions at him like "Don't you think it's odd that..." or "Isn't it a bit suspicious..."

I hate shit like that. If you're going to ask SOMEBODY ELSE a question about something like that, don't throw assumptious questions at him.

So the homerun record won't mean much when it gets broken, but Bonds, roids or not, is still a hall-of-fame player. Roids don't help bat speed or coordination. Just power. Bonds still hits other things besides home runs...

**loopydate** · 12-03-2004, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Outlaw

lol "unknowingly"

"I tripped and just...fell on the needle!"

**DegenerationY** · 12-03-2004, 04:50 PM

They were creams, not injections.

**loopydate** · 12-03-2004, 05:02 PM

"I tripped and just...fell on the cream."

**John la Rock** · 12-03-2004, 05:09 PM

lol Bonds is an idiot

**The Mackem** · 12-03-2004, 05:31 PM

South Park was right.

Using steroids is like pretending to be handicapped at the Special Olympics.

Hmmm Giambi and Bonds, has anything happened with Mark McGuire yet? He was in that episode as well.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-03-2004, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by John la Rock

Did he take roids when he was in Oakland? His New York Numbers are shit compared to when he played for the A's.

not sure the dates, not sure if they've said. I would tend to think he took the stuff in Oakland since Balco was located out there and that's probably how they found each other.

**Y2Ant** · 12-03-2004, 11:15 PM

I thought steroids were just injections, didnt know they came in cream too

**KingofOldSchool** · 12-04-2004, 01:34 AM

Ya know, after a while you might get kinda suspicous if your cock suddenly begins to shrink.

I swear if Bud Selig only slaps Bonds on the wrist, then I swear to holy fuck I am never watching baseball again.

If Pete Rose gets a lifetime ban for gambling, then Bonds should get a lifetime ban for taking steriods. Let's not forget Bonds lied about taking steriods before...

**Innovator** · 12-04-2004, 03:40 AM

I .... did see this coming

**VonErich Lives** · 12-04-2004, 07:02 AM

Koos, your forgetting one thing, that at the time while Roids were illegal in the country it wasn't againt the rules of baseball. Selig doesn't run baseball, Orza and the MLBPA run it, and they barely have testing now and even w/ the testing they have the first could of offense bring no real penalty.

Did it enhance his game, sure.
Was it against the rules of baseball at the time? No.

In the same was McGwire kept Andro in his locker which was banned in all other sports, but not on the banned list in baseball (it is now).

**KingofOldSchool** · 12-04-2004, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

Koos, your forgetting one thing, that at the time while Roids were illegal in the country it wasn't againt the rules of baseball. Selig doesn't run baseball, Orza and the MLBPA run it, and they barely have testing now and even w/ the testing they have the first could of offense bring no real penalty.

Did it enhance his game, sure.
Was it against the rules of baseball at the time? No.

In the same was McGwire kept Andro in his locker which was banned in all other sports, but not on the banned list in baseball (it is now).

True, but then that is saying that it was okay that he did it. He admitted that he did steriods AFTER they were "officially" banned. I'm pretty sure that Bond's did steriods after they were officially banned as well.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-04-2004, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by KingofOldSchool

True, but then that is saying that it was okay that he did it. He admitted that he did steriods AFTER they were "officially" banned. I'm pretty sure that Bond's did steriods after they were officially banned as well.

True, problem is it's considered a rules violation which the MLBPA put rules in place to deal w/ them.

I don't have the list, but I think you have to fail a drug test like 3 times before getting any suspension.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-04-2004, 05:04 PM

Whats the deal with Steriod Cream though? I thought the most powerful shit was threw injections...maybe not I guess?

I am pretty uneducated when it comes to 'roids, but I just assumed needles was the strongest/best method.

**The Mackem** · 12-04-2004, 05:08 PM

Wait a minute did I read that right? Steroids were illegal in the country but not in baseball?

**VonErich Lives** · 12-04-2004, 05:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mackem

Wait a minute did I read that right? Steroids were illegal in the country but not in baseball?

Yep.

While it was against US Law it wasn't against the rules of baseball.

the MLBPA runs baseball, and they've had the owners over the barrel for years.

NBA is 50/50.

Hockey we'll see when/if it returns

NFLPA has little power, they lost it when they went on strike in the 80's. They also made fools out of themselves when scab players came in and the football players pickets and tried flipping there cars and crap.

On a side note, to show you how much pull the MLBPA has, Kevin Millar was a scab player during the strike, because of that he can never join the MLBPA which in turn his name will not be on the WS trophy. I'm not even sure if the MLB can print stuff w/ his name on it (shirts).

I have a WS shirt w/ the roster printed by an unlicensed place and hence his name is on it.

**The Mackem** · 12-04-2004, 06:00 PM

OK there's a lot of abbrieviations that I don't understand, there.

I stil don't understand how something can be illegal in a country but not in a sport. So if somebody commits murder in a baseball game is it OK or something?

**Rob** · 12-04-2004, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mackem

OK there's a lot of abbrieviations that I don't understand, there.

I stil don't understand how something can be illegal in a country but not in a sport. So if somebody commits murder in a baseball game is it OK or something?

It's America. Need I say more?

**YOUR Hero** · 12-04-2004, 08:51 PM

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**VonErich Lives** · 12-04-2004, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mackem

OK there's a lot of abbrieviations that I don't understand, there.

I stil don't understand how something can be illegal in a country but not in a sport. So if somebody commits murder in a baseball game is it OK or something?

NFL = national football league
nflpa = national football league players assocations (their union).

mlb - major league baseball

mlbpa - major league baseball players assocation (their union).

Simple, it's not against the rules of baseball because they never wrote a rule saying it was.

**The Outlaw** · 12-05-2004, 02:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John la Rock

Ya I'm sure he took them unknowingly

But I still have respect for Bonds because he has been a consistent All Star his whole career. Even if he was not on the roids he still would have hit at least 330 and would probably have hit 40-50 home runs.

40+ homeruns 8 out of 19 years

It's not that hard to notice when he probably starting roiding up like crazy.

**The Mackem** · 12-05-2004, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VonErich Lives

NFL = national football league
nflpa = national football league players assocations (their union).

mlb - major league baseball

mlbpa - major league baseball players assocation (their union).

Simple, it's not against the rules of baseball because they never wrote a rule saying it was.

Yeah but doesn't it have to abide by American law? So if there wasn't a rule saying players shouldn't commit murder, they could legally do it? This is the bit which confuses me.

**The Outlaw** · 12-05-2004, 03:51 PM

Yeah seriously, I don't really get that either...

**VonErich Lives** · 12-05-2004, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mackem

Yeah but doesn't it have to abide by American law? So if there wasn't a rule saying players shouldn't commit murder, they could legally do it? This is the bit which confuses me.

No.

Say the MLB has no rule against murder and you kill someone the gov't would still arrest and prosecute.

The difference is, theres somehow (I think it's something to do w/ the 4th amendment) where they're not required to turn over drug test results, and they actually in baseball I think keep the results w/o names.

Same way if I take a drug test for a job and fail, they don't call the local police.

12-03-2004, 02:02 AM	#1
Apprentice You're Fired Posts: 338	Bonds and Steroids(It was inevitable) Report: Bonds used steroids December 3, 2004 SAN FRANCISCO (Ticker) - Barry Bonds' legendary career apparently forever will be tainted. The San Francisco Chronicle reported on its website Thursday night that Bonds told a federal grand jury he used a clear substance and cream that he did not know were steroids. A seven-time Most Valuable Player and just 53 home runs shy of breaking Hank Aaron's all-time record, the 40-year-old Bonds always had publicly denied taking performance-enhancing drugs. According to the report, Bonds' revelation came out during testimony on December 4, 2003 in the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative steroids case. Bonds testified he received and used clear and cream substances from his personal trainer, Greg Anderson, during the 2003 baseball season but was told they were nutritional supplement flaxseed oil and a rubbing balm for arthritis. During testimony, federal prosecutors confronted Bonds with documents indicating he had used steroids and a human growth hormone, but the San Francisco Giants' star denied the allegations. The documents, many with Bonds' name on them, are dated from 2001 to 2003. Bonds set the single-season home run record with 73 in 2001. Bonds' attorney, Michael Rains, told the paper he was not surprised his client's testimony came out. "My view has always been this case has been the U.S vs. Bonds, and I think the government has moved in certain ways in a concerted effort to indict my client," Rains said. "And I think their failure to indict him has resulted in their attempts to smear him publicly." According to the report, a transcript shows that before he testified, Bonds was told he would not be prosecuted for any crimes he admitted as long as he told the truth to the grand jury. But if he lied under oath, he could face prosecution for perjury. Earlier Thursday, the newspaper reported New York Yankees first baseman Jason Giambi also testified he injected himself with a human growth hormone. Baseball commissioner Bud Selig responded to the report with the following statement: "This once again demonstrates the need to implement a tougher and more effective major league drug-testing program. I have instructed (executive vice president of labor relations) Rob Manfred to look into this situation and to continue working with the Players Association to have a drug-testing program that mirrors the very effective policy we have in the minor leagues. "I will leave no stone unturned in accomplishing our goal of zero tolerance by the start of spring training and am confident we will achieve this goal." Fresh off winning his fourth straight MVP, Bonds has 703 career homers. He just 11 shy of tying Babe Ruth for second place on the all-time list. Anderson, BALCO founder Victor Conte, lab vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny were charged with taking part in a steroid distribution ring that provided illegal substances to professional athletes. All four have pleaded not guilty. Bonds, Giambi and Gary Sheffield of the Yankees were among those to testify in the investigation. http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=st&type=lgns Last edited by Apprentice; 12-03-2004 at 02:17 AM.

12-03-2004, 05:31 PM	#18
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	South Park was right. Using steroids is like pretending to be handicapped at the Special Olympics. Hmmm Giambi and Bonds, has anything happened with Mark McGuire yet? He was in that episode as well. Last edited by The Mackem; 12-03-2004 at 06:36 PM.

12-03-2004, 02:56 AM	#2
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	That picture of him on Yahoo! is priceless, he looks like he's about to cry. Unlike Giambi though, he claims it was an "accident" so maybe theres a little leway

12-03-2004, 03:52 AM	#3
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	That's the same claim Sheff had a few months ago, that he used the cream on Bonds advice when he got injured and didn't know it was a roid.

12-03-2004, 07:06 AM	#4
Excellance of Execution Hitman Mark Posts: 295	It's pretty obvious that both Bond's and Giambi use steroids. Bond's can say he used it without knowing all he want's, the truth will come out soon enough. Atleast Giambi admitted it (not that it make's it right), but atleast he finally told the truth. I think it would be a shame for baseball, if Bond's passed Babe Ruth. With all this coming out, in my eyes, Bond's isn't even close to Ruth in stature.

12-03-2004, 08:10 AM	#5
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	They were reading some of the tanscript today and Giambi says he had discussions w/ the owner of Balco who in some fassion let it be known that the stuff did contain roids.

12-03-2004, 10:26 AM	#6
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I mean, I've said it all along that Bonds used steroids. I knew Giambi used it too, but never really said anything bad about him cause he's a Yankee But, I mean with the withdrawls Giambi had this year, after being off the juice, the evidence was right there. So now what? Bonds has used illegal drugs to enhance his preformance and I'm suppossed to take his records seriously? But then you have to ask yourself, maybe Ruth used enhancing drugs too, that might have been legal back then. I'm pretty sure Big Mac got his hands on some. Probably a lot of those homerun guys used them. I mean, I'm just guessing, but it does cross your mind when thinking about stuff like this.

12-03-2004, 11:46 AM	#7
Apprentice You're Fired Posts: 338	I duno if we should take the records seriously. Bonds still does have skill. I do find it interesting that after Giambi took the steroids, he just started to suck badly, while Bonds just flourished. I duno. Its hard to say whether he could have done all this without the steroids, but there's no doubt it will taint all his records and MVPs.

12-03-2004, 01:44 PM	#9
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	lol "unknowingly"

12-03-2004, 01:53 PM	#10
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	Ya I'm sure he took them unknowingly But I still have respect for Bonds because he has been a consistent All Star his whole career. Even if he was not on the roids he still would have hit at least 330 and would probably have hit 40-50 home runs.

12-03-2004, 03:41 PM	#12
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	Bonds and Giambi took roids! I don't believev it! signed "The sky is blue, and water is wet"

12-03-2004, 04:15 PM	#13
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	Whoever didn't see this coming is ignorant. Whether or not he knew what he was taking was steroids, it still had steroids in it. Moving on, though, Bonds, before the roids was still an MVP caliber player. I hate how ESPN is playing this up like it's a HUGE revelation, and that the world of baseball will never be the same. Shut the fuck up! They interviewed Ellis Burks (a former team-mate of Bonds) and they were throwing loaded questions at him like "Don't you think it's odd that..." or "Isn't it a bit suspicious..." I hate shit like that. If you're going to ask SOMEBODY ELSE a question about something like that, don't throw assumptious questions at him. So the homerun record won't mean much when it gets broken, but Bonds, roids or not, is still a hall-of-fame player. Roids don't help bat speed or coordination. Just power. Bonds still hits other things besides home runs...

12-03-2004, 04:50 PM	#15
DegenerationY WARRIORS Posts: 9,414	They were creams, not injections.

12-03-2004, 05:02 PM	#16
loopydate FIT Challenge Slag People Posts: 13,816	"I tripped and just...fell on the cream."

12-03-2004, 05:09 PM	#17
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	lol Bonds is an idiot

12-03-2004, 11:15 PM	#20
Y2Ant Crows Before Hoes Posts: 24,501	I thought steroids were just injections, didnt know they came in cream too

12-04-2004, 01:34 AM	#21
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	Ya know, after a while you might get kinda suspicous if your cock suddenly begins to shrink. I swear if Bud Selig only slaps Bonds on the wrist, then I swear to holy fuck I am never watching baseball again. If Pete Rose gets a lifetime ban for gambling, then Bonds should get a lifetime ban for taking steriods. Let's not forget Bonds lied about taking steriods before...

12-04-2004, 03:40 AM	#22
Innovator Inno Knows. Posts: 43,710	I .... did see this coming

12-04-2004, 07:02 AM	#23
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Koos, your forgetting one thing, that at the time while Roids were illegal in the country it wasn't againt the rules of baseball. Selig doesn't run baseball, Orza and the MLBPA run it, and they barely have testing now and even w/ the testing they have the first could of offense bring no real penalty. Did it enhance his game, sure. Was it against the rules of baseball at the time? No. In the same was McGwire kept Andro in his locker which was banned in all other sports, but not on the banned list in baseball (it is now).

12-04-2004, 05:04 PM	#26
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	Whats the deal with Steriod Cream though? I thought the most powerful shit was threw injections...maybe not I guess? I am pretty uneducated when it comes to 'roids, but I just assumed needles was the strongest/best method.

12-04-2004, 05:08 PM	#27
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	Wait a minute did I read that right? Steroids were illegal in the country but not in baseball?

12-04-2004, 06:00 PM	#29
The Mackem VG + Q&A FORUM REPRESENT Posts: 38,940	OK there's a lot of abbrieviations that I don't understand, there. I stil don't understand how something can be illegal in a country but not in a sport. So if somebody commits murder in a baseball game is it OK or something?

12-04-2004, 08:51 PM	#31
YOUR Hero Adminstigator Posts: 102,491	73*

12-05-2004, 03:51 PM	#35
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah seriously, I don't really get that either...