NFL Week 16

**The Outlaw** · 12-24-2004, 05:25 PM

Yes. Packers vs. Vikings right now.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 05:26 PM

lol everytime minnesota touches the ball they score... 2 touchdown drives in 41 seconds.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 05:27 PM

We are clearly the better team, now our defense just needs to stop a third down

Ugh! We get that sweet score with a minute left, then we let them return it to our 40 and get a FG.

At least Michael Bennett is the man again

**Dazz** · 12-24-2004, 05:27 PM

Cartainly makes a difference from the first quarter, that was bloody boring.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 05:27 PM

Oh, also Nate Burleson

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 05:29 PM

Culpepper 7/9 180 yards 3 touchdowns

**The Outlaw** · 12-24-2004, 05:31 PM

Yeah he is quick

Whats up with Tice having a hissy fit over the measurement? I even thought it was a first at first

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 05:34 PM

I'm not really complaining, but the issue was that they stopped the clock and GB had time to put their field goal unit on the field (They couldn't spike it because it may have been 4d). I dunno, it was close enough that a measurement was legit IMO, and we are ahead and getting the ball back.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 05:45 PM

Payton Manning
Tom Brady
Daunte Culpepper
Michael Vick

If I said that those four quarterbacks were on a different level then all of the other NFL QB's, would you disagree? Who would you add/subtract?

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-24-2004, 05:51 PM

What about McNabb?

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 05:51 PM

take off brady and add McNabb

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2004, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

Payton Manning
Tom Brady
Daunte Culpepper
Michael Vick

If I said that those four quarterbacks were on a different level then all of the other NFL QB's, would you disagree? Who would you add/subtract?

Are we talking pure physical or ability to win?

If it's ability to win, sorry... Manning has yet to win a really big game yet, at least McNabb has made the NFC title game a few times.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-24-2004, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA

take off brady and add McNabb

Oh I get it

Taking away the only one to win a Superbowl..right?

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 05:54 PM

if you go by that theory VEL only Brady would be on the list

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2004, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA

take off brady and add McNabb

when Stima's old enough to reproduce you're going to have his kids aren't you?

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 05:55 PM

I left McNabb off that list just because overall he is not as good as the others, IMO

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sTiMa34

Oh I get it

Taking away the only one to win a Superbowl..right?

no actually the way I took he was talking is that he was talking about QB's who lead there team where as new england has the all around best team

Manning,Culpepper,Vick easily the top 3 players on there team where as new england has about 5 guys who could be a top guy

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2004, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCWWF

I left McNabb off that list just because overall he is not as good as the others, IMO

If you're just going on physical tools he's possible #2 in the league.

He has a great arm, good accuracy and is mobile.

Vick is mobile, great arm, poor accuracy.

Mainning great arm, good accuracy, not mobile.

Brady good arm, great accuracy, not mobile.

Culpepper great arm, great accuracy and while not as mobile as Vick or McNabb has speed and is a physical force to take down.

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-24-2004, 06:00 PM

You can't really compare these guys or say what level they are all on. They are all completely different.

Vick is crazy with his feet, really exciting player who is leading the Falcons right now. Remember how bad they were without him? He is so much different from any other QB in the NFL right now. Culpepper is a great QB, puts up huge stats but he has yet do anything in a big game. Manning is gross, and all he has left to prove is winning the Superbowl. McNabb is a great QB, he led the Eagles to 3 straight NFC championship games. Granted they lost them all, its not his fault. He can't throw the ball then catch it himself. Look at him when he actaully has a good reciever to throw too..its lights out. Brady obviously just wins, I know he's surrouned by a good team blah blah but so isn't everyone else. 4th Quater drive in the snow, aswell as both Superbowls. Shit is just ridiculous. Remember that Dolphins games..he had one bad game and didnt lead a 4th quater drive to win the game and everyone was shocked. That just shows you right there hes the fucking man

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 06:01 PM

that's exactally what I meant, I just didn't wanna write a story

**Jesus Shuttlesworth** · 12-24-2004, 06:04 PM

I don't think so, New England wouldn't have won the Superbowl without Brady.

That "Hes surrounded by a good team" thing is stupid if you ask me. Everyone one of those guys has a good team around them. Name me another "top guy" on New England on offense other then Brady? I'm talking about the Superbowl years here.

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2004, 06:07 PM

Brady has the skills they can't measure.

You can test speed, strength, accuracy.

Brady is good under pressure and a smart QB.

Unlike a Bledsoe, who phsyically has a better arm then Brady ever will, but not the same decisions making.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 06:40 PM

Is it just me, or does every running play by Green Bay look like a HB pass?

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 06:58 PM

OMG the Vikings are going to lose, I can just smell it

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 07:00 PM

OUR DEFENSE IS SO INCREDIBLY BAD WE DO NOT DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 07:03 PM

BLOCK THAT KICK...BLOCK THAT KICK

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 07:03 PM

FFFFUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKK

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 07:04 PM

Vikings have the worst defense ever

**VonErich Lives** · 12-24-2004, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MoRcHeEbA

no actually the way I took he was talking is that he was talking about QB's who lead there team where as new england has the all around best team

Manning,Culpepper,Vick easily the top 3 players on there team where as new england has about 5 guys who could be a top guy

I dunno, Manning-Harrison-James. Culppeper-Moss, Vick... ok, Vick is clearly #1 on his team.

**The Outlaw** · 12-24-2004, 07:08 PM

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 07:10 PM

OK I know I have a bias, but really do you not agree that the Vikings played the better game and that if each team had legit defenses the Vikes would have won? Not trying to make excuses, just explaining why this loss is so disappointing for us.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 07:11 PM

yes that's about 3 or 4 games this season alone that the vikings defense has failed. They suck if they had a decent defense they would have won that game and easily the indy game.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 07:12 PM

Like honestly, the Packers got a lot of catches and extra yards that I would consider "lucky" and that I don't believe they would have gotton against a somewhat decent defense. At the same time, maybe the Vikings got really lucky too and I just didn't see it because I didn't want to.

**The Outlaw** · 12-24-2004, 07:12 PM

Hey Green Bay's defense isn't exactly The Steel Curtain or anything.

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 07:14 PM

Along with what Cheeba said, at the time of the Indy game they also lost at least one more game on a final field goal (it might have been the Packers). If the defense was even somewhat legit you could add at least 2-3 wins this season. There are like 6 first rounders on our defense, but it just isn't working. They need to add another good player or two in the off season, Winfield proved to be unbelievably important. Get a good MLB now.

**The Outlaw** · 12-24-2004, 07:16 PM

Yeah we won 34-31 both games this year on a field goal

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 07:19 PM

not to mention everyone is saying Hovan is gone after this season which kinda sucks.

**#1-norm-fan** · 12-24-2004, 07:43 PM

lol. Minnesota's defense played better than Green Bay's defense.

I like Minnesota, I just love it when they choke after BCWWF and Alphabean are so adimate at the begining of the year that there is no chance they don't win the division.

**MoRcHeEbA** · 12-24-2004, 07:49 PM

you also said the bears were gonna make the superbowl

**BCWWF** · 12-24-2004, 08:45 PM

They should have won the division, even with Moss' injury they should have won. Nobody could have predicted the defense to be so poor. The linebackers couldn't get their jobs done and the secondary was just awful aswell. Not to mention Chris Hovan falling off the face of the earth, hardly any picks. I never would have predicted that, I assumed that with Kenechi and Antoine added to the defense they would be at least respectable. We need to trade Onterio Smith for defense ASAP.

I do stand though, as soon as Favre leaves the Packers sit in the cellar for a few years. He is holding them up almost singlehandedly.

12-24-2004, 05:25 PM	#1
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	NFL Week 16 Yes. Packers vs. Vikings right now.

12-24-2004, 05:26 PM	#2
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	lol everytime minnesota touches the ball they score... 2 touchdown drives in 41 seconds.

12-24-2004, 05:27 PM	#3
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	We are clearly the better team, now our defense just needs to stop a third down Ugh! We get that sweet score with a minute left, then we let them return it to our 40 and get a FG. At least Michael Bennett is the man again

12-24-2004, 05:27 PM	#4
Dazz IRREPLACEABLE Posts: 11,608	Cartainly makes a difference from the first quarter, that was bloody boring.

12-24-2004, 05:29 PM	#6
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	Culpepper 7/9 180 yards 3 touchdowns

12-24-2004, 05:31 PM	#7
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah he is quick Whats up with Tice having a hissy fit over the measurement? I even thought it was a first at first

12-24-2004, 05:34 PM	#8
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I'm not really complaining, but the issue was that they stopped the clock and GB had time to put their field goal unit on the field (They couldn't spike it because it may have been 4d). I dunno, it was close enough that a measurement was legit IMO, and we are ahead and getting the ball back.

12-24-2004, 05:45 PM	#9
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Payton Manning Tom Brady Daunte Culpepper Michael Vick If I said that those four quarterbacks were on a different level then all of the other NFL QB's, would you disagree? Who would you add/subtract?

12-24-2004, 05:51 PM	#10
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	What about McNabb?

12-24-2004, 05:54 PM	#14
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	if you go by that theory VEL only Brady would be on the list

12-24-2004, 05:55 PM	#16
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	I left McNabb off that list just because overall he is not as good as the others, IMO

12-24-2004, 06:00 PM	#19
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	You can't really compare these guys or say what level they are all on. They are all completely different. Vick is crazy with his feet, really exciting player who is leading the Falcons right now. Remember how bad they were without him? He is so much different from any other QB in the NFL right now. Culpepper is a great QB, puts up huge stats but he has yet do anything in a big game. Manning is gross, and all he has left to prove is winning the Superbowl. McNabb is a great QB, he led the Eagles to 3 straight NFC championship games. Granted they lost them all, its not his fault. He can't throw the ball then catch it himself. Look at him when he actaully has a good reciever to throw too..its lights out. Brady obviously just wins, I know he's surrouned by a good team blah blah but so isn't everyone else. 4th Quater drive in the snow, aswell as both Superbowls. Shit is just ridiculous. Remember that Dolphins games..he had one bad game and didnt lead a 4th quater drive to win the game and everyone was shocked. That just shows you right there hes the fucking man

12-24-2004, 06:01 PM	#20
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	that's exactally what I meant, I just didn't wanna write a story

12-24-2004, 06:04 PM	#21
Jesus Shuttlesworth Posts: 42,765	I don't think so, New England wouldn't have won the Superbowl without Brady. That "Hes surrounded by a good team" thing is stupid if you ask me. Everyone one of those guys has a good team around them. Name me another "top guy" on New England on offense other then Brady? I'm talking about the Superbowl years here.

12-24-2004, 06:07 PM	#22
VonErich Lives WTF do you want? Posts: 14,760	Brady has the skills they can't measure. You can test speed, strength, accuracy. Brady is good under pressure and a smart QB. Unlike a Bledsoe, who phsyically has a better arm then Brady ever will, but not the same decisions making.

12-24-2004, 06:40 PM	#23
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Is it just me, or does every running play by Green Bay look like a HB pass?

12-24-2004, 06:58 PM	#24
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	OMG the Vikings are going to lose, I can just smell it

12-24-2004, 07:00 PM	#25
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	OUR DEFENSE IS SO INCREDIBLY BAD WE DO NOT DESERVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS

12-24-2004, 07:03 PM	#26
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	BLOCK THAT KICK...BLOCK THAT KICK

12-24-2004, 07:04 PM	#28
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	Vikings have the worst defense ever

12-24-2004, 07:08 PM	#30
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931

12-24-2004, 07:10 PM	#31
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	OK I know I have a bias, but really do you not agree that the Vikings played the better game and that if each team had legit defenses the Vikes would have won? Not trying to make excuses, just explaining why this loss is so disappointing for us.

12-24-2004, 07:11 PM	#32
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	yes that's about 3 or 4 games this season alone that the vikings defense has failed. They suck if they had a decent defense they would have won that game and easily the indy game.

12-24-2004, 07:12 PM	#33
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Like honestly, the Packers got a lot of catches and extra yards that I would consider "lucky" and that I don't believe they would have gotton against a somewhat decent defense. At the same time, maybe the Vikings got really lucky too and I just didn't see it because I didn't want to.

12-24-2004, 07:14 PM	#35
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	Along with what Cheeba said, at the time of the Indy game they also lost at least one more game on a final field goal (it might have been the Packers). If the defense was even somewhat legit you could add at least 2-3 wins this season. There are like 6 first rounders on our defense, but it just isn't working. They need to add another good player or two in the off season, Winfield proved to be unbelievably important. Get a good MLB now.

12-24-2004, 07:16 PM	#36
The Outlaw Unofficial Legend Posts: 11,931	Yeah we won 34-31 both games this year on a field goal

12-24-2004, 07:19 PM	#37
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	not to mention everyone is saying Hovan is gone after this season which kinda sucks.

12-24-2004, 07:43 PM	#38
#1-norm-fan Resident drug enabler Posts: 45,473	lol. Minnesota's defense played better than Green Bay's defense. I like Minnesota, I just love it when they choke after BCWWF and Alphabean are so adimate at the begining of the year that there is no chance they don't win the division.

12-24-2004, 07:49 PM	#39
MoRcHeEbA Dirty Sanchez Below Posts: 16,149	you also said the bears were gonna make the superbowl

12-24-2004, 08:45 PM	#40
BCWWF The People's Member Posts: 18,092	They should have won the division, even with Moss' injury they should have won. Nobody could have predicted the defense to be so poor. The linebackers couldn't get their jobs done and the secondary was just awful aswell. Not to mention Chris Hovan falling off the face of the earth, hardly any picks. I never would have predicted that, I assumed that with Kenechi and Antoine added to the defense they would be at least respectable. We need to trade Onterio Smith for defense ASAP. I do stand though, as soon as Favre leaves the Packers sit in the cellar for a few years. He is holding them up almost singlehandedly.