Worst Treated Superstars

**snakeboss** · 01-26-2005, 11:08 AM

Which superstars do you think are getting the worst treatment by the wwe, for example:

1. Maven is being treated exceptionally badly on Raw, being beaten by Shelton B. by one move. It makes him look terrible.

2. Charlie Haas. He's on the show a lot, and his storylines are good, but he's picked mosly to lose matches and make the winner look good. ex. Kurt Angle's return. Billy Kidman's heel turn. Jesus' debut match. I'm not sure, but I also think one of Heidenreich's debut matches.

3. Shannon Moore. I hadn't seen him on Smackdown for about six months, when I finally saw him on it, he got his butt kicked by Heidenreich, then JBL.

Who else do you think is getting bad treatment?

**Loose Cannon** · 01-26-2005, 11:12 AM

Funny thing about Maven is that he keeps on losing, but his mic work is so fluid that he doesn't even seem to lose any steam. It's like every week he comes out, the crowd is still into him, I don't change the channel and he just keeps on losing.

**Shaggy** · 01-26-2005, 11:17 AM

I think Shannon Moore is really treated badly because he has so much talent and just doesnt get the chance to show it.

Im a huge fan of Maven and I think he has what it takes to be a star. His mic work as mentioned by LC..is really good. And he gets some great heat from the fans which is why im happy that he is a heel now. Only prob is that WWE has already said that they arent that impressed with him and it worries me about the future of him. I hope they realize what he brings to the table before they decide to let him go.

Almost all the former ECW greats are mistreated....look at Rhyno and Tajiri. Back in ECW they were feared all around. Now they are basically jobbing to everyone. RVD has the fan base behind him to make him a star and Vince still keeps him down low.

**Chavo Classic** · 01-26-2005, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Shaggy

Almost all the former ECW greats are mistreated....look at Rhyno and Tajiri. Back in ECW they were feared all around. Now they are basically jobbing to everyone. RVD has the fan base behind him to make him a star and Vince still keeps him down low.

Ah, the great ECW talent in WWE debate. I think we've come to accept that most of who Vince brings in from ECW, with the notable exceptions of the Dudleys and RVD, are going to be held down.

The problem is that Vince refuses to acknowledge that there was serious and sometimes superior competition. He likes his own guys and he likes to push those which have been in the family (sometimes literally, you know who i mean) because they were his own creations.

Guys like Rhyno and Tajiri were HUGE in ECW. It actually confuses me that Vince might want to keep them, and their histories down, considering he now owns the ECW (and WCW) archives. I know quite a few fans who have no idea of who Rhino really was pre-WWE and would probably go run a mile to get hold of an old ECW tape if they saw a glimpse of what he is capable of doing.

So, by now only disappointing and losing business by not appeasing former ECW, he's cutting off what could be a potentially lucrative market for newer WWE fans investigating Rhyno, Tajiri, Raven, Lynn and others in old ECW tapes and DVDs.

I think the most blatant misuse of ECW talent was Jerry Lynn. The guy won the Cruiserweight title on his debute (albeit it on heat) but disappeared, and didn't even play a role in the invasion despite being such a big part of ECW's final years. Thank god for TNA.

In terms of who is being under utilised now, its RVD. I'm not just saying this to tie in with the rant I've just barked out, but the guy is outrageously talented. Since he finally got that he wasn't going to get pushed anything beyond the mid-card, he's certainly dumbed down his ring work. I mean, why risk his ass (and the asses of others) every week with moonsaults and van daminators if it won't make a difference to his position on the card? This is a real shame, and shows the the glass ceiling has definate implications for the talent and the show itself.

**AJHayes** · 01-26-2005, 12:29 PM

In my opinion, Maven doesn't deserve his contract. I loathe reality tv, and he got his contract ONLY because of that damn Tough Enough Show. I think Tough Enough ruins segments of TV, and the whole idea should be scrapped.

Also, I think that The Hurricane is being treated poorly. Here is a guy who is over, has a fun gimmick, excellent talent, hold victories over Ric Flair, Triple H, and The Rock.. Yet gets jobbed all the time.

I hope that for ever misused WWE star that TNA picks up, I hope that star gets super over. Like, Hulk 1985 over.

**Astley316** · 01-26-2005, 01:19 PM

I disagree, Maven deserves his contract because it was there to be won, he was the best out of the lot. As allready mentioned, his mic work is pretty solid, if the wwe is going to put him in a IC midcard match then get behind him, dont just bury him,

**Savio** · 01-26-2005, 01:23 PM

Ha Hurricane can only beat main eventers.

**GODSON** · 01-26-2005, 01:49 PM

Val Venis of course, he went from being a IC champ during WWE peak,to fueding with Mankind to now being use as a jobber. He has all the tools. He don't even use the porn gimmick no more if you notice.

Eddie Guerrero, went from being a World champ to a tag team wrestler.

**Nowhere Man** · 01-26-2005, 02:26 PM

Tajiri- At the beginning of last year, his stuff with Rey Mysterio and the Kyo Dai stable were some of the best stuff on Smackdown. Hell, even after the jump to Raw, the tag team with Rhyno was pretty good. Now, jobbing to fucking VISCERA?!

The Hurricane- like Belfast said, he's a great worker, he's got a great character, and Raw has completely wasted him.

Jerry Lynn/Raven/D'Lo Brown/Essa Rios/TAKA Michinoku- the fact that slobs like Nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, A-Train, and Bradshaw all had main event pushes and these guys aren't even in the company anymore is absolutely inexcusable.

Nearly every Cruiserweight in the company not named Rey Mysterio- oh, God forbid the cruisers make Heidenreich and JBL look bad. Let's completely neuter them of anything that makes them unique or entertaining and then put them on the B-show.

And most of all....

Paul Heyman- It absolutely baffles me that Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, and Paul Heyman are all now working under one roof, yet only one of them gets any say in how the company is run. At least Bischoff gets TV-time now. All WWE is doing with Paul E. is paying him so that he doesn't go to TNA.

**Heyman** · 01-26-2005, 02:22 PM

Is there any chance that perhaps *NO* wrestler in the WWE is being treated "unfairly?"

You sow what you reap?

-A guy like Maven for instance........what if he's not working hard backstage or whatever to warrant respect within the storylines?

**Astley316** · 01-26-2005, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Heyman

Is there any chance that perhaps *NO* wrestler in the WWE is being treated "unfairly?"

You sow what you reap?

-A guy like Maven for instance........what if he's not working hard backstage or whatever to warrant respect within the storylines?

your probably right, but we can only comment on what we see, on tv right, anything else is pretty much here say

**Corkscrewed** · 01-26-2005, 04:05 PM

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Paul Heyman- It absolutely baffles me that Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, and Paul Heyman are all now working under one roof, yet only one of them gets any say in how the company is run. At least Bischoff gets TV-time now. All WWE is doing with Paul E. is paying him so that he doesn't go to TNA.

Put yourself in Vince's shoes and you wouldn't be so confused. He and Heyman are both type A personalities who require things going their way. Furthermore, Vince has really latched onto his power and has become a control freak about his company. He's not going to give a chance to anyone who might insubordinate him. Not in a million years. So factor in selfishness and it's really not that baffling--just frustrating.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 01-26-2005, 07:18 PM

Molly Holly and Victoria

Two great wrestlers who can play very good characters who haven't been used in anything worthwhile in months

**mike627** · 01-26-2005, 07:40 PM

Why bother with Molly and Vic by this time next year there won't be a womens' divison.

**Aussie Skier** · 01-26-2005, 07:45 PM

Charlie Haas
Awesome talent, he's over, yet he always f*cking jobs!

Simon Dean
I'm only meh about his character, but he's going nowhere.

Hurricane
The treatment he recieves is a disgrace.

**AJHayes** · 01-26-2005, 09:01 PM

Another one is Jericho. Sure, he's up top, but why the hell isn't your First Undisputed Champ constantly having some title matches? GIVE THE MAN A CHANCE!!!

**PorkSoda** · 01-26-2005, 09:36 PM

LOL!!!!

**46 & 2** · 01-26-2005, 09:38 PM

DUGGANOMICS! I LOVE IT!

I think RVD was misused because they missed their chance with him. He had a PPV title shot and got beat by HHH (I know, it's shocking!) then lost to HHH again on Raw. Even Scott Steiner got 2 PPV shots at the title. RVD actually had the fan base to hold the title; Steiner was getting booed during his first PPV shot. So the WWE did what they do best when they waste talent - put him with Kane and had the two of them run around the tag team scene until the fan base cooled down. Since the Rumble is coming up, here's a fact: RVD is one of only a few people that have inspired loud boo's from the crowd when they have been eliminated from the Rumble, and he's done it all 3 years he's been in it. Does he still have the fanbase to get the title? Or does it even matter since apparently JBL never needed it? I don't know.

**HardyBoyz612** · 01-26-2005, 10:17 PM

PAUL LONDON! Has Vince or any other WWE agent seen any of his ROH stuff? He's flippin' amazing, and they even gave him and Kidman a tag title run (I completely marked out when that happened BTW) and then the 2 had a great feud with some excellent matches. Then......*POOF* Gone, banished to Velocity for the rest of his days. The man at least deserves a Crusierweight title shot.

The Hurricane aka Shane Helms: The inventor of the Vertebreaker, the Nightmare on Helm's Street, the floating neckbreaker... HE CHOKESLAMMED THE ROCK FOR GOD"S SAKE! Now he's a bonified, class A jobber. He did some great stuff in WCW, including a great ladder match with Shannon Moore, Billy Kidman and um... damnit! I forgot the other guy. Anyways, totally unfair.

ANY ECW GUY IN WWE: Ask a casual wrestling fan who Tommy Dreamer is. All you'll get is "Tommy Who?" One of ECW's top talent, and I only saw him once. Even on Heat. After the Invasion he was pushed into obscurity. At least he held a job in the booking comittee for a while. But now what does he do, if anything at all, other than doing some menial task. Tajiri jobbed to VISCERA!! Does anyone else find this wrong? Viscera is a 500 lb talentless lump of crap, and yet he went over on a former 2 time crusierweight champ, and I know he held at least one ECW title. I'm done, or else I'm gonna get pissed off and hurt someone.

**Normal Is Me** · 01-26-2005, 10:07 PM

Worst Treated Superstar award has to go to Andrew 'Test' Martin. The WWE fucking fired him while he was out with a broken neck.

**Gone Mad** · 01-26-2005, 10:35 PM

In my honest opinion, there are many mistreated but only a few are of note to me and Maven is not one of them. Really, considering how they treated him before, do you guys really think he is being mistreated?

Hurricane - I would have said all cruiserweights but that would be wrong. At least most of them were smart and left, or were traded and used in a better way than Helms is used. Honestly, he can't win a title, he can't do any of his moves, stuck on Heat hell because of size, and really.. hasn't won a match in years.

Victoria - Same. Just a victim of the removal of women wrestling along with Molly Holly, but hey, at least Molly gets a match every week or so. Vicky has just disappeared and not used and .. it all just went away just when it was getting good. But that is a trademark of WWE: Kill it badly when it is about to get good.

Simon Dean - I don't see this gimmick going for a year, or half a year for that matter. Just let him wrestle his way and he will be fine. ECW talent is screwed over again with this man. Hell, enough said.

And D-Lo would be on the list, while in his last WWE years, because he did so much and yet given so little. Sad.

01-26-2005, 11:08 PM

Stevie Richards!!!

**Crippler 666** · 01-27-2005, 03:08 AM

Raven, Jerry Lynn, Chris Jericho, Taz, Tajiri, Justin Credible, Goldberg, Jeff Hardy, CHris Benoit, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan, Machoman Randy Savage, British Bulldog, Bret Hart, Crash Holly (they didn't announce his death for weeks), Jake the SNake, Tommy Dreamer, Dean Malenko, Al Snow, Perry Saturn, Rhyno, Sable, STone Cold, Roddy Pipper, Zach Gowen, Vader, Hardcore Hack (Sandman), Sabu, Brian Adams, Bryan Clarke, Kanyon, DDP, Big Poppa Pump, Test, Matt Hardy....

All of the above have been used / abused / worked for the WWE...

01-26-2005, 11:08 AM	#1
snakeboss The Boss of Snakes Posts: 304	Worst Treated Superstars Which superstars do you think are getting the worst treatment by the wwe, for example: 1. Maven is being treated exceptionally badly on Raw, being beaten by Shelton B. by one move. It makes him look terrible. 2. Charlie Haas. He's on the show a lot, and his storylines are good, but he's picked mosly to lose matches and make the winner look good. ex. Kurt Angle's return. Billy Kidman's heel turn. Jesus' debut match. I'm not sure, but I also think one of Heidenreich's debut matches. 3. Shannon Moore. I hadn't seen him on Smackdown for about six months, when I finally saw him on it, he got his butt kicked by Heidenreich, then JBL. Who else do you think is getting bad treatment?

01-26-2005, 11:12 AM	#2
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	Funny thing about Maven is that he keeps on losing, but his mic work is so fluid that he doesn't even seem to lose any steam. It's like every week he comes out, the crowd is still into him, I don't change the channel and he just keeps on losing.

01-26-2005, 11:17 AM	#3
Shaggy Yipee Kai Yay!!! Posts: 5,705	I think Shannon Moore is really treated badly because he has so much talent and just doesnt get the chance to show it. Im a huge fan of Maven and I think he has what it takes to be a star. His mic work as mentioned by LC..is really good. And he gets some great heat from the fans which is why im happy that he is a heel now. Only prob is that WWE has already said that they arent that impressed with him and it worries me about the future of him. I hope they realize what he brings to the table before they decide to let him go. Almost all the former ECW greats are mistreated....look at Rhyno and Tajiri. Back in ECW they were feared all around. Now they are basically jobbing to everyone. RVD has the fan base behind him to make him a star and Vince still keeps him down low.

01-26-2005, 12:29 PM	#5
AJHayes I've got that Nerd Rage. Posts: 1,230	In my opinion, Maven doesn't deserve his contract. I loathe reality tv, and he got his contract ONLY because of that damn Tough Enough Show. I think Tough Enough ruins segments of TV, and the whole idea should be scrapped. Also, I think that The Hurricane is being treated poorly. Here is a guy who is over, has a fun gimmick, excellent talent, hold victories over Ric Flair, Triple H, and The Rock.. Yet gets jobbed all the time. I hope that for ever misused WWE star that TNA picks up, I hope that star gets super over. Like, Hulk 1985 over.

01-26-2005, 01:19 PM	#6
Astley316 white army Posts: 516	I disagree, Maven deserves his contract because it was there to be won, he was the best out of the lot. As allready mentioned, his mic work is pretty solid, if the wwe is going to put him in a IC midcard match then get behind him, dont just bury him,

01-26-2005, 01:23 PM	#7
Savio Spammy Certified Posts: 46,115	Ha Hurricane can only beat main eventers.

01-26-2005, 01:49 PM	#8
GODSON Posts: 268	Val Venis of course, he went from being a IC champ during WWE peak,to fueding with Mankind to now being use as a jobber. He has all the tools. He don't even use the porn gimmick no more if you notice. Eddie Guerrero, went from being a World champ to a tag team wrestler.

01-26-2005, 02:26 PM	#9
Nowhere Man Now. Here. Man. Posts: 8,370	Tajiri- At the beginning of last year, his stuff with Rey Mysterio and the Kyo Dai stable were some of the best stuff on Smackdown. Hell, even after the jump to Raw, the tag team with Rhyno was pretty good. Now, jobbing to fucking VISCERA?! The Hurricane- like Belfast said, he's a great worker, he's got a great character, and Raw has completely wasted him. Jerry Lynn/Raven/D'Lo Brown/Essa Rios/TAKA Michinoku- the fact that slobs like Nathan Jones, Matt Morgan, A-Train, and Bradshaw all had main event pushes and these guys aren't even in the company anymore is absolutely inexcusable. Nearly every Cruiserweight in the company not named Rey Mysterio- oh, God forbid the cruisers make Heidenreich and JBL look bad. Let's completely neuter them of anything that makes them unique or entertaining and then put them on the B-show. And most of all.... Paul Heyman- It absolutely baffles me that Vince McMahon, Eric Bischoff, and Paul Heyman are all now working under one roof, yet only one of them gets any say in how the company is run. At least Bischoff gets TV-time now. All WWE is doing with Paul E. is paying him so that he doesn't go to TNA.

01-26-2005, 02:22 PM	#10
Heyman Father of Hinduship Posts: 21,083	Is there any chance that perhaps NO wrestler in the WWE is being treated "unfairly?" You sow what you reap? -A guy like Maven for instance........what if he's not working hard backstage or whatever to warrant respect within the storylines?

01-26-2005, 07:18 PM	#13
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Molly Holly and Victoria Two great wrestlers who can play very good characters who haven't been used in anything worthwhile in months

01-26-2005, 07:40 PM	#14
mike627 Posts: 856	Why bother with Molly and Vic by this time next year there won't be a womens' divison.

01-26-2005, 07:45 PM	#15
Aussie Skier So long, Eddie! miss you. Posts: 1,910	Charlie Haas Awesome talent, he's over, yet he always f*cking jobs! Simon Dean I'm only meh about his character, but he's going nowhere. Hurricane The treatment he recieves is a disgrace.

01-26-2005, 09:36 PM	#17
PorkSoda Diabetes Coming To Getcha Posts: 6,826	LOL!!!!

01-26-2005, 09:38 PM	#18
46 & 2 Cat: The Other White Meat Posts: 131	DUGGANOMICS! I LOVE IT! I think RVD was misused because they missed their chance with him. He had a PPV title shot and got beat by HHH (I know, it's shocking!) then lost to HHH again on Raw. Even Scott Steiner got 2 PPV shots at the title. RVD actually had the fan base to hold the title; Steiner was getting booed during his first PPV shot. So the WWE did what they do best when they waste talent - put him with Kane and had the two of them run around the tag team scene until the fan base cooled down. Since the Rumble is coming up, here's a fact: RVD is one of only a few people that have inspired loud boo's from the crowd when they have been eliminated from the Rumble, and he's done it all 3 years he's been in it. Does he still have the fanbase to get the title? Or does it even matter since apparently JBL never needed it? I don't know.

01-26-2005, 10:17 PM	#19
HardyBoyz612 JFer Since 1999! Posts: 35	PAUL LONDON! Has Vince or any other WWE agent seen any of his ROH stuff? He's flippin' amazing, and they even gave him and Kidman a tag title run (I completely marked out when that happened BTW) and then the 2 had a great feud with some excellent matches. Then......POOF Gone, banished to Velocity for the rest of his days. The man at least deserves a Crusierweight title shot. The Hurricane aka Shane Helms: The inventor of the Vertebreaker, the Nightmare on Helm's Street, the floating neckbreaker... HE CHOKESLAMMED THE ROCK FOR GOD"S SAKE! Now he's a bonified, class A jobber. He did some great stuff in WCW, including a great ladder match with Shannon Moore, Billy Kidman and um... damnit! I forgot the other guy. Anyways, totally unfair. ANY ECW GUY IN WWE: Ask a casual wrestling fan who Tommy Dreamer is. All you'll get is "Tommy Who?" One of ECW's top talent, and I only saw him once. Even on Heat. After the Invasion he was pushed into obscurity. At least he held a job in the booking comittee for a while. But now what does he do, if anything at all, other than doing some menial task. Tajiri jobbed to VISCERA!! Does anyone else find this wrong? Viscera is a 500 lb talentless lump of crap, and yet he went over on a former 2 time crusierweight champ, and I know he held at least one ECW title. I'm done, or else I'm gonna get pissed off and hurt someone.

01-26-2005, 10:07 PM	#20
Normal Is Me blaaah Posts: 143	Worst Treated Superstar award has to go to Andrew 'Test' Martin. The WWE fucking fired him while he was out with a broken neck.

01-26-2005, 10:35 PM	#21
Gone Mad EL MERO MERO! Posts: 4,259	In my honest opinion, there are many mistreated but only a few are of note to me and Maven is not one of them. Really, considering how they treated him before, do you guys really think he is being mistreated? Hurricane - I would have said all cruiserweights but that would be wrong. At least most of them were smart and left, or were traded and used in a better way than Helms is used. Honestly, he can't win a title, he can't do any of his moves, stuck on Heat hell because of size, and really.. hasn't won a match in years. Victoria - Same. Just a victim of the removal of women wrestling along with Molly Holly, but hey, at least Molly gets a match every week or so. Vicky has just disappeared and not used and .. it all just went away just when it was getting good. But that is a trademark of WWE: Kill it badly when it is about to get good. Simon Dean - I don't see this gimmick going for a year, or half a year for that matter. Just let him wrestle his way and he will be fine. ECW talent is screwed over again with this man. Hell, enough said. And D-Lo would be on the list, while in his last WWE years, because he did so much and yet given so little. Sad.

01-26-2005, 11:08 PM	#22
Gertner Guest Posts: n/a	Stevie Richards!!!

01-27-2005, 03:08 AM	#23
Crippler 666 Posts: 56	Raven, Jerry Lynn, Chris Jericho, Taz, Tajiri, Justin Credible, Goldberg, Jeff Hardy, CHris Benoit, Scott Hall, Kevin Nash, Hulk Hogan, Machoman Randy Savage, British Bulldog, Bret Hart, Crash Holly (they didn't announce his death for weeks), Jake the SNake, Tommy Dreamer, Dean Malenko, Al Snow, Perry Saturn, Rhyno, Sable, STone Cold, Roddy Pipper, Zach Gowen, Vader, Hardcore Hack (Sandman), Sabu, Brian Adams, Bryan Clarke, Kanyon, DDP, Big Poppa Pump, Test, Matt Hardy.... All of the above have been used / abused / worked for the WWE...