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Old 02-02-2005, 06:43 PM   #1
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DISCUSSION - What is next for Randy Orton?
DISCUSSION - What is next for Randy Orton?


Where does Orton go from here? Orton is now out of the main-event picture, and has also (clearly) lost his #1 main-event face status to Dave Batista. With this in mind, where does Orton go from here?


-Do you try and keep him face? With the concussion angle that is currently playing out, will it be enough for the fans to feel sorry for him? (and in effect, keep him face?). If he stays face, who does he 'face' at Wrestlemania?

-With the fans quickly turning on Orton, should the WWE just "go with the flow" and turn Orton heel? If Orton turns heel, who should he face at Wrestlemania?..............................if ya smellllllalalallalalalalalallow...............what Heyman...............is cooking.



p.s. My vote goes for Randy Orton vs. The Rock.
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Old 02-02-2005, 06:48 PM   #2
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Can't argue with that.

He's quickly running out of possible opponents.
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They should just kill off Orton.
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I'd love to see Orton/Rock but I think Jericho is the best option at the moment, with Orton being turned heel again.
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Old 02-02-2005, 06:50 PM   #5
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Sad story right here. Fuck, he could of been huge right now. Should of kept him heel and let HHH/Flair be the faces.

Anyway, he's going heel and probably going to Smackdown soon. If this were to happen, it would let him start fresh and gain back his momemtum. Cause I believe as a heel, he can get it back rather quickly.
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They should just kill off Orton.
First impressions are important, this wasn't a very good one. I'd recommend coming back in 3-4 months with a new handle and starting again.
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I'd love to see Orton/Rock but I think Jericho is the best option at the moment, with Orton being turned heel again.
That's a pretty cool idea.


A few weeks from now, perhaps Orton can kinda start moaning about how the fans are turning on him, and how he only lost to Triple H because of his concussion, etc.

:::cue Jericho's music:::


:::cue for Jericho telling Orton to SHUT........THE HELL...........UP!:::


Benoit can then feud with Edge or Benjamin.
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Sad story right here. Fuck, he could of been huge right now. Should of kept him heel and let HHH/Flair be the faces.

Anyway, he's going heel and probably going to Smackdown soon. If this were to happen, it would let him start fresh and gain back his momemtum. Cause I believe as a heel, he can get it back rather quickly.

Any chance of Orton being traded to Smackdown *BEFORE* Wrestlemania?

Perhaps Bischoff can 'package' Orton off to SD due to concerns over his health (i.e. Bischoff's mindset can be to trade Orton while his value is still high?).

Cena or Guerrero can come back the other way perhaps? Or even Mysterio.
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I want to see a Benoit Christian feud leading into Mania. I think Edge needs to get a big win in an interpromotional match.

Possibly off of Eddie.
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I want to see a Benoit Christian feud leading into Mania. I think Edge needs to get a big win in an interpromotional match.

Possibly off of Eddie.
Benoit/Christian would be cool as well.

I also wouldn't mind seeing Christian/Cena ( @ their backstage confrontation from the Runble).
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Any chance of Orton being traded to Smackdown *BEFORE* Wrestlemania?

Perhaps Bischoff can 'package' Orton off to SD due to concerns over his health (i.e. Bischoff's mindset can be to trade Orton while his value is still high?).

Cena or Guerrero can come back the other way perhaps? Or even Mysterio.

Orton for Guerrero wouldn't be so bad.


-On Smackdown, Orton can eventually kill off Undertaker and Angle and add to his "legend killer" moniker as a heel.

-Orton and Cena's rivlary/feud can be built up on Smackdown as well.

-On RAW, Guerrero can feud with Flair for a bit, and also have a newer set of opponents.
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First impressions are important, this wasn't a very good one. I'd recommend coming back in 3-4 months with a new handle and starting again.
Heyyyyyy....I've been reading this site for a few months....I guess just now I decided to "come out of my shell."

However, Orton as a face is so unbearable...kinda like the Rock during Rocky Maivia.
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I wouldn't rule out an Orton trade or just "sold" to Smackdown before Mania. He's really got no program right now. But...there's a good chance of Austin, Hogan and Brock coming in for Mania. I would put Orton up against one of those guys. Problem is, will Hogan or Austin do the job?

As for Edge, he's about a half a step away for being ready for the World Title scene. I think his win over HBK was great and gave him what he needed, that big win. He's cutting good promos as a heel and comes off like he will die for the Title. I say Batista/Edge right after Mania for the Title.
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I wouldn't rule out an Orton trade or just "sold" to Smackdown before Mania. He's really got no program right now. But...there's a good chance of Austin, Hogan and Brock coming in for Mania. I would put Orton up against one of those guys. Problem is, will Hogan or Austin do the job?

As for Edge, he's about a half a step away for being ready for the World Title scene. I think his win over HBK was great and gave him what he needed, that big win. He's cutting good promos as a heel and comes off like he will die for the Title. I say Batista/Edge right after Mania for the Title.

Hmmmm.....

-Orton vs. Hogan would be cool from a marks' perspective. Hopefully - Hogan would do the JOB.

-Orton/Austin would be good as well, but the mark in me doesn't want to see Austin JOB.

-Orton/Lesnar would be interesting. Who would the fans hate more? As far as Lesnar is concerned, I highly doubt that the WWE will bring him in before Wrestlemania. I think this will be his punishment (i.e. no Mania' payoff for Lesnar).


-Orton/Rock would still be my #1 choice however.



p.s. At this rate, I can't see Orton and Edge being on the same show after Mania'. Both men will be (or are) very promising heels, and all they'll do is 'hold each other back' (even more likely if Triple H stays heel after Mania').
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I say Batista/Edge right after Mania for the Title.
Before or after HHH uses his triple rematch clause?
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That whole Orton concussion garbage is B O R I N G.
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Rock's pretty much 100% being a no go in the WWE for a while. Him and Vince are on bad terms right now.

HHH needs to tear his other quad at Mania.

What about Hogan/Austin though? The match would be beyond terrible, but just look at the names. I see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ written all over it. I kind of want to see that one go down.
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Rock's pretty much 100% being a no go in the WWE for a while. Him and Vince are on bad terms right now.
That sucks. Any chance of that being a 'work'?

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Yeah. Either that or turn face. Triple H is soooo old as a heel. At this point, I think most fans would accept a crappy HHH face than a heel HHH. Even with that being said, who knows? Maybe HHH will be better as a face this time.

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What about Hogan/Austin though? The match would be beyond terrible, but just look at the names. I see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ written all over it. I kind of want to see that one go down.
That would be sweet. The match would suck more dick than Jim Ross, but the potential hype for that would be unreal.

My only concern for something like that, is the WWE might spend too much time hyping that. Is it really worth hyping a match between two injured/washed up wrestlers, over the expense of other feuds?
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That whole Orton concussion garbage is B O R I N G.
I honestly have no clue where the WWE are going with this.

A) Are they trying to make the fans more sympathetic towards Orton? (to regain his face pops).

B) Are they going to use the whole "concussion" angle with Orton to make him bitter? (i.e. if he hadn't been 'concussed', he would've beaten HHH and would've been champ, etc.). Basically - he becomes bitter......and this leads to a heel turn.
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I honestly have no clue where the WWE are going with this.

A) Are they trying to make the fans more sympathetic towards Orton? (to regain his face pops).

B) Are they going to use the whole "concussion" angle with Orton to make him bitter? (i.e. if he hadn't been 'concussed', he would've beaten HHH and would've been champ, etc.). Basically - he becomes bitter......and this leads to a heel turn.
If they are looking to make fans sympathetic toward Orton b/c of the concussions, then it's not working. It's only irritating to see him just lay there flat, open and close his eyes repeatedly, and look confused.

I don't see why he'd be bitter due to his own problems. Maybe they'll just have him gone for a few weeks so he'll get some R and R..then come back and be the cocky arrogant heel he used to be. I mean...why would he blame the fans for getting concussions?

Who knows.
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I mean...why would he blame the fans for getting concussions?
My mistake. I should've done a better job in being clear.

What I was trying to say, was that Orton could be bitter at the fact that he lost the title to Triple H because of his concussion. Orton could also be bitter that he's lost his main-event spot to Batista.

Basically - Orton would become a bitter whiner (kinda like Edge). A guy like Jericho or Benoit would then come out, and tell Orton to 'get over it' and be a man. Orton would take it the wrong way, and would do something heelish towards them.......and voila, Orton heel turn.
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What about Hogan/Austin though? The match would be beyond terrible, but just look at the names. I see $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ written all over it. I kind of want to see that one go down.


What if Austin/Hogan took on Hussan and Dhiviari in a tag match?


1) It helps establish Hussan/Dhiviari even MORESO as big time heels.

2) Since Hogan and Austin are both limited in what they can do now, a tag match will be easier on their bodies.

3) The fans are CLEARLY on the side of Hogan/Austin. If Hogan fought Austin one on one, it might make one guy get "booed". At this point in time, I personally don't think its right for either Hogan or Austin to get booed......seeing as how they've done so much for this business.




I think it would be cool if Hussan and Dhivari were being assholes one day, and then Bischoff came out.

Bischoff then says that he's absolutely sick and TIRED of Hussan and Dhivari acting like a bunch of racist a-holes. Bischoff then announces that he has a special surprise for both of them next week.

:::week later:::

Bischoff orders Hussan/Dhivari to the ring. Bischoff then says, "gentlemen.......meet your opponents for WRESTLEMANIA!"


::::glass breaks:::::

Austin comes out to an enormous pop, gets in the ring and beats on both men. Austin starts beating the crap out of Hussan.

Dhivari tries to leave the ring, when suddenly, "Real American" hits.


::ut comes Hogan!::::


Hogan comes out and beats on Dhivari.



Austin hits the stunner of Hussan, Hogan hits the leg drop on Dhivari. Afterwards, Hogan and Austin celebrate with beer.
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Hmmmmmmmm, they should put Orton on the backburner for a while because he sucks. Maybe have him switch over to smackdown and start fresh over there. The kid sucks.
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Yea, I was telling someone the other day that a Hassan/Hogan match would be great. But I do like your tag match better. Only problem is Daivari as the partner of Hassan. Even though Daivari is a pretty dam good worker, he's not percieved that way in the fans eyes or those who have never seen him work for that matter. I hate how they have Daivari come off as a little "pip-squeak" sort of guy when in reality he's bad ass. Like how they have him jump on guys backs and stuff. It's ridiculous.
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I've said it a couple times before, Orton ought to go to SD after Mania and immediately turn heel on a fresh start Booker T_style. Orton can score some big wins over Taker, Angle, JBL, and Show--then face Cena for the WWE Title in the match that's been brewing since the end of 2003, with Orton going over and having a real title run.
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Old 02-02-2005, 10:37 PM   #28
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I'd actually put Orton on Smackdown for awhile to tell you the truth. Right now he's really being held down by HHH and needs to get a gimmick overhaul. Go back to being the Legend Killer but start killing off the Heel Legends. Cause killing Face Legends just makes you one sided. Also...it can get the fans back on your side really quick.

Then again...screwing us fans is a WWE time-honored tradition.
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I wouldn't rule out an Orton trade or just "sold" to Smackdown before Mania. He's really got no program right now. But...there's a good chance of Austin, Hogan and Brock coming in for Mania. I would put Orton up against one of those guys. Problem is, will Hogan or Austin do the job?

As for Edge, he's about a half a step away for being ready for the World Title scene. I think his win over HBK was great and gave him what he needed, that big win. He's cutting good promos as a heel and comes off like he will die for the Title. I say Batista/Edge right after Mania for the Title.
I'll tell ya. When Edge interrupted Christy on Raw and his music hit, it gave me goosebumps.
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:45 AM   #31
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I've said it a couple times before, Orton ought to go to SD after Mania and immediately turn heel on a fresh start Booker T_style. Orton can score some big wins over Taker, Angle, JBL, and Show--then face Cena for the WWE Title in the match that's been brewing since the end of 2003, with Orton going over and having a real title run.

I completely agree with this.

The thing is, who do you send to RAW in exchange for Orton?

My vote goes for Guerrero.

I think a potential Cena/Orton feud would be more than enough to compensate the loss of Guerrero. Keep in mind, that Lesnar could always come back as well.
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Old 02-03-2005, 12:47 AM   #32
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ya Guerrero would be great on Raw dido for Cena
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ya Guerrero would be great on Raw dido for Cena
An Orton for Cena swap would be sweet as well.

With the Royal Rumble was of any indication, then a Cena/Batista feud could be something worthwhile as well (sometime in the future).
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Ok, I'm taking the Hassan tag match idea and putting a twist into it:

WM: Hassan and Orton vs. Hogan and Austin

Basically, Austin (or Hogan) wants to teach Hassan a lesson at some point pre-WM. They could even go as far as having a "match" at their February PPV (or not). Orton wants in on beating the Arabs (because it's cool to hate people of different ethnicities right now ). So Orton and Austin tag up against Hassan and Dhavari (sp?).

Anyway, to make a long story short, Orton turns on Austin in the match. Beats the crap out of him. Starts talking about how his life is a lot like Hassan's - he's treated like a second class citizen. People look at him, and since he's Bob Orton's son, they assume things about him. Typically whiny heel stuff.

This would basically make Orton the BIGGEST heel of WWE. Recall that Vince loves going on these "ethnic group/stable = evil" kicks, and the white guy that turns his back on the "WWE" (meaning caucasians) always becomes SUPER Evil. Like Owen Hart as the "Black Heart," or "Nugget" in the Nation of Domination.

Anyway, he'd be uber heel on turning his back on "America." Hell, he could even make quips about being dishonorably discharged - as in, "What has America done for me."

Regardless, Austin wants blood - a match against Orton at WM. They do a typical contract signing in the ring for hype (just so Austin can Stunner everyone during the signing). During the signing, Austin goes to stunner Orton (as expected - there would be big marks at this), but Orton pushes him off. In rushes Hassan from the back. They start to beat the snot out of Austin - who of course doesn't go down without a huge fight destroying everything in the ring. Austin gets the upper hand in the brief interlude (as usual - he could probably even stunner Hassan), but Orton clocks him with something or another.

Then we get a "Hold on Brotha!" from the back and Hogan walks out, gives some "I love America" speech, and rushes down to the ring. Orton/Hassan make an exit, and it's Hogan and Austin vs. Orton and Hassan at WM.

That, ladies and gentlemen, is how you make Randy Orton the HUGEST heel in the WWE.
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I would personally have Orton try to hunt the legend of The Undertaker on SmackDown!. I hope they've killed the Heidenreich character off for the time being, and we could see Kane vs. Gene Snitsky with Matt Hardy as the Special Guest Referee at Mania (with Snitsky hopefully going over).

But unlike most people, I'd have The Undertaker go over Orton with a simple Chokeslam.

Orton is over as a face, but not "mega-over", and that is what's hurting him at the moment, because the WWE are trying to portray him as the face that can get it done, but is held done by other problems. If Austin or The Rock did this, we would care, for Orton we do not.

Anyway, him losing to The Undertaker does something that I wish the WWE would just come out and openly show us. Orton is good, he's even great (as Ric Flair said), but he's not "it". They're still building up Orton as the second coming of Austin, but he's not. I'd have him lose, then start the decent to nothingness.

Wouldn't this hurt Orton? I wouldn't think so. It lets Orton find his placing on the roster, and lets him rebuild himself. I'd hopefully try and get The Undertaker to have a rematch with Orton at WrestleMania 22 where Orton goes over, countering the Chokeslam with an RKO.

This basically stops the "It's Orton's destiny!" thing they've got going, and makes us think Orton is a failure (which a lot of people have already come to), and really gives him a chance to try and fight for his place in the halls of greatness.

I would be much more interested in Orton if he ends up challenging for the US Title trying to regain himself, rather than see the WWE find excuses for him to keep going after the World Championship. Randy will get there eventually, but a fresh start is needed, IMO.
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um yeah orton has got boring

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Why orton sucks as a face? He has the look of a Cocky little snot nosed shit who's best friend is the mirror.

Why he's good as a heel? See reasons above
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I think a cool idea for Orton would be to have some type of Dr Jekell/mr hyde pereonality.for examble have him talking to stacy then black out and when he comes to he RKO stacy and doesnt realize it later on. i know its not the greatest idea but probabally better than wher the wwe is going with it

or just bring back the RNN
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Old 02-03-2005, 08:02 AM   #39
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Orton as face?

Orton as a heel? more lively

Basically when you look at that skinny freak known as Orton you don't think Face that has the fans cheerin him on. What you see is the potential to be the cockiest heel since HollyWood Rock. Not at the level of the cockiest champion ever in Jericho. I miss those days.

Anyway. I'ts time for a Randy makeover. And this whole concussion thing is really the dumbest thing I've ever seen. I mean just cause it kinda worked for Michaels all those years ago does not mean that it will work again. And for this guy it will not work. He's becoming more duller than the heel champion... 10 time champion HHH. Well not that stale but he is quickly gettin there. Whenyou put those two together you have
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The thing is send him off of Raw and send him to Smackdown. Send a real guy over there. A real good trade. Then Orton can really become someone again. but not in the form of Booker T. He has to do somethin different. He has to walk in there, and find somebody right off the bat, not Cena though. Maybe Taker, Angle, JBL? Give him a real feud. Let him get schooled maybe a time or two and let him come off totally arrogant, cocky, talkin bout it was a fluke, they really stood no chance. Somethin like that.

anyway Orton has all sorts of potential but it isn't as a face but as a heel and it isn't on Raw but on SmackDown!
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Old 02-03-2005, 11:07 AM   #40
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I'd love to see Orton get a fresh start. The best way IMO, would be to turn on Stacy. She's got to be one of the most over (and beautiful) divas, so Orton turning on her would be choice heel stuff.

Much like when Matt Hardy turned on Lita, except Orton's career wouldn't go straight to hell after the turn, like Matt's did. You could even get a group of RAW faces together to try and punish Orton for hurting Stacy, giving him a certifiable reason to jump to Smackdown.

He could then start his whole Legend Killer thing, saying he didn't deserve his treatment on RAW, which is why he jumped to SD, until *insert legend here* comes out and kicks his ass.

On a side note, an Orton/Cena feud would be great. But since everybody wants to see a title unification match between the two, Orton would have to jump back to RAW, and win the title. Then they'd need a reason for a title unification. Something like the story line from the Smackdown vs RAW career mode would work. A main star isn't happy and starts conspiring with the current GM of either show to jump. I personally think the curent champ at the time jumping would be great tv, setting up a reason for the title unification.
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