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Old 02-17-2005, 10:04 PM   #1
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Smackdown REALLY REALLY REALLY SUCKS!
After watching Smackdown! yet again tonight...I realized that YOU KNOW a program is SHITTY when you're marking out like crazy b/c an established legit star from Raw (Batista) comes on Smackdown! for a few mere minutes.

The only star SD has produced is Cena...other than that, nothing. Raw has produced Batista, Orton, and plenty others.

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Old 02-17-2005, 10:07 PM   #2
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The only star SD has produced is Cena...other than that, nothing.
Yeah - who cares about the Eddie Guerrero fella anyways?
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:11 PM   #3
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Eddie would be great..if they wouldn't bury him 24/7 on that show. I sometimes forget he even had the title!

Plus, Eddie was already an established star. I was sorta focusing on rookies turning into stars in wrestling.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:11 PM   #4
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:21 PM   #5
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Smackdown has good stars Cena, Guerrero, and Angle to name a few. Its just that they are not marketed right and the show as a whole isnt put together properly. Its like this Raw more upbeat like the former WWF and SD! is like the former WCW a slower production. The only good thing about SD! is that the overall wrestling is better but some fans wont even watch to that [point because they are bored out of their mind.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:39 PM   #6
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Actually, the wrestling is better on RAW. I just like SD because it just seems more entertaining without Braveheart.

People popping for Batista doesn't say anything bad about SD. I bet if Eddie or Cena showed up on RAW and started laying out Evolution the fans would pop as well. If you watched the Rumble, Cena was getting more pops than Batista, so.

Its all about something fresh. Batista on SD is fresh, so the fans will pop. Simple really.
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Old 02-17-2005, 10:42 PM   #7
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I agree Cynick, and i'm sick of all these 'smackdown is shit' threads, aren't there enough already? I mean no one ever says exactly why it's shit. But i definately find it more entertaining than raw, its a shame that Big Show isn't going to get the title though, cos that kinda ruins the whole storyline between him/JBL and Kurt Angle.
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I can't take the Smackdown stars seriously. 90 % of them are jokes
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Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, John Cena, Chavo Guerrero... am I the only one who likes him?
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Yeah - who cares about the Eddie Guerrero fella anyways?
Well, Smackdown didn't really make Eddie. He was already made.

Okay, here's my problem: I can't "feel" Smackdown. It has a lot of elements I like, for example,

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Eddie Guerrero, Rey Mysterio, John Cena, Chavo Guerrero...
Kurt Angle, Paul London, Shannon Moore...

Hell, I like Long as GM.

So where's the problem? Glad you asked...
  1. Lack of a "main eventer" status. Okay, so you've got Undertaker. He makes Smackdown seem like TNA or WCW...Let's put some aging legend on top in hopes that he'll draw. You have JBL. Good at promos in his current gimmick, but SHIT, this fucker makes Triple H matches look good. Big Show? Good God, it's a miracle he's not dead
  2. Half the stars are barely used. They brag about the Cruisers being exclusive to Smackdown, but so fucking what? IT's like bragging that Triple H's nuts are exclusive to Raw...Except we're more likely to see those. Of the half that are used, most of them are fodder for the old guys. Hello, main reason I barely ever watch TNA...Let's give Heidenreich a major push, then squash him. Now let's push him again, and squash him. Now let's push him again and... Here's an idea...Let's have Eddie doing tag bouts for a worthless tag title.
  3. The announcers. I can't get into Michael Cole. Tazz is solid, Cole is horrible. They combined (Chain is as strong as its weakest link) make JR/King look good.
  4. Inuries: And you know, I know this isn't their fault, but it seems like half the roster's crippled. Dammit, I want to see Carlito in a more active role than "I want to get rid of Teddy Long."
Still, the good is enough to keep me watching. However, Raw feels the more solid show. Believe me, I hate to say that. Most of my faves are on Smackdown. It's just the weaker show. Now, I'm hoping that changes with/after Wrestlemania, but come on...We've got the likes of Orton, Batista, and Michaels (Hey, he's a geezer, but he's putting on a better show than most) in the main event scene, or we can have...JBL vs Big Show, with a short lived Angle Interlude.
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i'm sick of the smackdown hating too, but dammit they have a point.
Everytime I watch smackdown, I'm doing other shit at the same time. Today i had smackdown on my tv tuner and was playing tales of symphonia at the same time.
The only times I had my head turned towards smackdown:
-Reigns promo on taker
-Angle/Cena Promo
-Booker T and Heidenreich promo
-Cena vs Booker T
-The end with batista, and the JBL segments

that's not a lot.... and on raw I'm totally tuned into raw with no distractions, throughout the entire show... it's not that smackdown doesn't have good superstars, or storylines it's just that the "feeling" isn't there...
  • JR puts in so much emotion onto everything, raising it accordingly for mark out moments, something Tazz and Cole never do
  • It isn't live, that ruins a lot. You know if something big is going to happen you will see 10 threads that spoil it right in their title, and the live atmosphere isn't there
  • Kurt Angle Invitational.. wtf, stop beating on newbies who will make it nowhere, IT IS POINTLESS AND STUPID, make better use of angle, PLEASE
  • The Theme.. it changes everyday, get something good and Stick with it, the current theme sucks and we have to hear it the entire show
  • It always ends on time, there's not that feeling that it could go into overtime and something awesome can still happen

Those are just some of the reasons smackdown isn't as fun to watch as raw is (for me), the superstars and storylines (besides invitational, and maybe the non-promo non-build cruiserweight title matches.. and big show cuz he bores me) aren't what make me lose interest

To those who said smackdown doesn't have good superstars, or doesn't make stars out of people... Booker T (better than on raw), Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns (getting there), Big Show (better than on raw), Brock Lesnar (even though he's gone), Eddie, JBL, Funaki (so far, as long as it isn't short lived), and of course John FK'N Cena.

and i'm done ranting.
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Old 02-18-2005, 01:27 AM   #14
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Tazz is the best commentator in WWE. Cole is a piece of shit. I agree with Kane Knight about that cruiserweight shit..b/c even I snap my head everytime they say "exclusively on Smackdown!" when it's used in such shite fashion.

John Cena is the best wrestler on the program and the only star created on Smackdown! Carlito has that potential, but he's injured. I was interested in Mordecai, but he's gone. As far as already established stars go...Angle, Rey Rey, and maybe about 2 more people are good. That's it.

Ahhh...

Here's another reason to prove why Smackdown! sucks..

Are any of you folks gonna buy No Way Out? lol I'm not even remotely interested in buying it.
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i'm sick of the smackdown hating too, but dammit they have a point.
Everytime I watch smackdown, I'm doing other shit at the same time. Today i had smackdown on my tv tuner and was playing tales of symphonia at the same time.
The only times I had my head turned towards smackdown:
-Reigns promo on taker
-Angle/Cena Promo
-Booker T and Heidenreich promo
-Cena vs Booker T
-The end with batista, and the JBL segments

that's not a lot.... and on raw I'm totally tuned into raw with no distractions, throughout the entire show... it's not that smackdown doesn't have good superstars, or storylines it's just that the "feeling" isn't there...

  • JR puts in so much emotion onto everything, raising it accordingly for mark out moments, something Tazz and Cole never do
  • It isn't live, that ruins a lot. You know if something big is going to happen you will see 10 threads that spoil it right in their title, and the live atmosphere isn't there
  • Kurt Angle Invitational.. wtf, stop beating on newbies who will make it nowhere, IT IS POINTLESS AND STUPID, make better use of angle, PLEASE
  • The Theme.. it changes everyday, get something good and Stick with it, the current theme sucks and we have to hear it the entire show
  • It always ends on time, there's not that feeling that it could go into overtime and something awesome can still happen
Those are just some of the reasons smackdown isn't as fun to watch as raw is (for me), the superstars and storylines (besides invitational, and maybe the non-promo non-build cruiserweight title matches.. and big show cuz he bores me) aren't what make me lose interest

To those who said smackdown doesn't have good superstars, or doesn't make stars out of people... Booker T (better than on raw), Kurt Angle, Luther Reigns (getting there), Big Show (better than on raw), Brock Lesnar (even though he's gone), Eddie, JBL, Funaki (so far, as long as it isn't short lived), and of course John FK'N Cena.

and i'm done ranting.
This is the first theme I've really HATED on Smackdown. Just thought I'd mention that. The Angle invitational seems dragged out and pointless, but it goes to cap a point. You argue the point of no/underused stars, mention Kurt, yet complained about where he's at. This is a misuse of great talent. You had to use an example of someone who's almost been gone a year, and a ton of underused talent.


I'm not concerned at all with the live issue, and I'm certainly not writing to "hate on" smackdown. like TNA, I really wish it wasn't so shitty right now. I WANT to give a fuck.


I spent half of Smackdown on the phone, the other half reading or chatting with Raising Kane and Danny Electric. I wish it was more exciting. I mean, Raw isn't perfect, but it makes me pay a little more attention, feels more compelling, and god I feel dirty saying that.


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Half the stars are barely used. They brag about the Cruisers being exclusive to Smackdown, but so fucking what?
'specially tonight, when they INTERRUPT THE MATCH WITH DIVAS ACTING LIKE STUDENT BODY PRESIDENT CAMPAIGNERS. I was super about that.
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'specially tonight, when they INTERRUPT THE MATCH WITH DIVAS ACTING LIKE STUDENT BODY PRESIDENT CAMPAIGNERS. I was super about that.
And it really pisses me off how no one says anything. Why can't Tazz be a guy who respects the wreslting and say these divas have no point coming out here. Why can't Chavo look pissed these divas are taking away from him. These guys worked their asses off for yearsjust so they can ge jobbed on Velocity to Hardcore Holly and these divas walk out getting paid per appearance, waving signs, dressing like sluts and getting more screen-time and more crowd reactions.

The characters Michael Cole and Teddy Long portray piss me off too. I like both guys, but they just play dislikable characters, in my mind.
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Well, Spike seemed to be pretty mad. He was like, "What the hell???"

So props to him. Chavo seemed like he was pissed but had to cover it, so he ended up looking half confused and half bemused.

And Akio just liked the eye candy, cuz it's not like he can be buried any further, so he just hammed it up.

But I was pissed when that happened. I'd much rather they used another segment. Or interrupt another match. Or try to seduce Heidenrape.
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It's crap that anytime the Cruserweights get on Smackdown they're interrupted by Carlito with his petition or divas or something. Way to respect the division.
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I'm not gonna deny that SD! has it problems, i just wish people would say what they're which is exactly what you guys have done, and is what should've been done by the starter of this thread. I agree with all the problems mentioned except the live thing, considering i live in the UK we over here are used to it not being live, cos weve only just started getting raw live so it doesn't matter to us. And raw being live over here doesn't seem to maike a difference, even though it did over run last monday which was cool cos that's never happened before.

Anyway, even though it has its problems, unlike some of you i can get into it, maybe it's cos its something different to HHH's Raw. But having said that, i'm not hyped up at all about NWO, even though its free over here, im not staying up till 1am for a predictable PPV.
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I almost shut the damn thing off when the divas walked out. Has anyone seen the Akio/London series of matches on Velocity? Better than anything on smackdown. And yet this happens. Retarded.
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Old 02-18-2005, 06:39 PM   #25
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It's crap that anytime the Cruserweights get on Smackdown they're interrupted by Carlito with his petition or divas or something. Way to respect the division.
I don't mind so much when Carlito interrupts, since he is a bad guy, but when the divas come out and they play it u like it is the most exciting thing of the night, it really pisses me off.

I think SD! needs to just buckle down and start putting on quality shows again. The last two Smackys have been great, and I can't think of anything wrong with them. Maybe jusy a few cruiserweight matches that DON'T involve the Champion.

I have nothing against Funaki, but everytime he's on screen, he wins and we go back to square one. Give Paul London and Akio a math on SD!, and have Funaki defend the Cruiserweight Title against Shannon Moore in the main event on Velocity, or something.

I personally think thy should add Scotty 2 Hotty, Nunzio and Billy Kidman to the Cruiserweight Elimination Match at No Way Out, and give the guys something like half-an-hour to show their stuff. Have them go just shot of ten minutes without an elimination, then Akio goes when five guys jump on top of him using a massive school boy-style pin to get rid of him. Akio retains credibility that way. Kidman hits Scotty 2 Hotty with the cruiserweight belt, and pins him. The ref realises what has happened, and reverses the decision with Kidman going via DQ. Nunzio then sneaks in and pins Scotty 2 Hotty who is still down from the belt shot. Chavo and Spike manage to double-team Nunzio enough to egt the double pin. Chavo is then pinned by Shannon Moore with the Mooregasm. Spike Dudley gets a low blow on Moore, hits the Dudley Dog then uses a special kind of pin to get the three count eliminating te former MF'er. We know have Spike, Funaki and London. Funaki pins Dudley with a Rising Sun, but he hits his superkick during the turn on London.

Out comes Theodore R. Long and syas that he has another secial guets in the building tonight, and he has named him the Special Guest Referee in the final fall of this match as he trained one of the men still in this match, and the other is a huge fan of him. Out comes HBK and we have a lot of interest involved in this last fall. Have them go for a while (say fifteen minutes) and have London tell a seperate story in this match with him seeming tense towards HBK. The announcers don't pick up on it though, and eventually London gets the pin with a superkick (just for the sake of it). London then gets the title, shakes the hand of HBK, then SUPERKICKS HIM!

Have London play the guy who says he deserves everything HBK has, and have him join Angle's stable as the lead heel of the cruiserweight division. Who knows, maybe HBK and London can actually have a match for the title at Judgment Day (if HBK stays on SmackDown!)?

Hopefully with this match taking place, you can restore some interest in the cruiserweight division by giving the guys CHARACTERS! I think that's the worse thing with the division at the moment. The face/heel dynamic is absolutely in chaos.
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Old 02-18-2005, 06:49 PM   #26
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I'm not going to say anything about the quality of Smackdown other than this: I couple weeks ago, the night with the Angle/Mysterio ME, I fell asleep just before the main event. I haven't fallen asleep during wrestling since the HHH/Steiner feud of a couple years ago. Now I'm sure that the Angle/Mysterio match was golden, but to be honest with you, it probably ended with a Dusty finish, or a interferance. And an hour of good wrestling can't make up for the umpteen-dozenth interferance finish in a row. Even if it didn't happen I still fell asleep, and that's enough of a reason to stop watching as any...
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Old 02-18-2005, 06:53 PM   #27
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No the Angle Mysterio match was amazing. It ended cleanly. You missed a great match.
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Old 02-18-2005, 09:07 PM   #28
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Smackdown has everything to make their show amazing, but they're not doing anything about it. Their storylines are a snoozefest extravaganza. I hate the silver posts, stairs, and banners. I fucking hate the blue light over the crowd when they wrestle. Seriously what the hell is that? I don't like the refs' blue shirts. I miss the ramp. They're not utilizing the cruserweights at all. Nunzio vs Akio would steal the whole freaking show. Wrestlers have been let go way too early... before they even had a chance to prove themselves. JBL is the champ, and not Eddie, or even Booker T. JBL is the champ, but wrestles about once a month on Smackdown. That's telling us that the WWE doesn't have a whole lot of faith in their champ to have a decent match. He's the champ solely on his mic skills.

The show itself isn't bad, it just bores me. I do love the Tazz commentary.
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Old 02-18-2005, 09:51 PM   #30
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Yeah Tazz is a good point. Nearly everything else = so bad it's sad
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The blue light over the arena is a fucking joke. That makes the whole show look dead. I agree Dorkchop. That's its biggest problem I think..and lack of spontaneity.
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The blue light over the arena is a fucking joke. That makes the whole show look dead. I agree Dorkchop. That's its biggest problem I think..and lack of spontaneity.
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See most of what people say is wrong with SD, I have the same feeling with RAW.

RAW has their version of UT (HHH), but he's th freakin champ and he's on for 75% of the show. I know this is said to death but I am really sick of HHH. If he would levae, maybe I could like RAW.

The only thing I think RAW has over SD is match quality. Even though I hate HHH, he can have a good match, and then they have guys like Benoit, Edge, Jerihco, HBK, Christian and Orton who can al be mixed around to have great matches. SD doesn't have that kind of depth.

Angle being hurt is a major blow, and the reason BTW for the Hometown Challenge. Kurt cant wrestle on a regular basis or he'll be in a wheelchair, so they have to do 'something' with him. Angle as GM was horrible, so they came up with tis. At least it makes people want to see him get beat up for bullying kids.

Dont get me going on JR/King, I think they suck. I really dont get how anyone could hate on Cole/Tazz. I find their commentary to be hilarious most of the time. And Cole has gotten a lot better at bringing the emotion WHEN ITS CALLED FOR. Which is part of my beef with JR. He sounds very phony these days because he marks out for EVERYTHING. Its like the boy who cried wolf symdrome, you cant believe him when something really major is going down.

Each to their own, I think 'net fans should get out of their bubble, and see that SD draws equal if not more viewers than RAW on a weekly basis. So that says soemthing. Sure SD is available in more homes which helps, but its also on a much tougher night in terms of competition, so I think that weighs out the viewership advantage and then some.
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