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"Ask him!"
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Mania 21 starting to look hot (spoilers)
Here's the unofficial line-up:
WORLD HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE Triple H vs. Batista WWE TITLE JBL vs. John Cena The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton Rey Mysterio vs. Eddie Guerrero Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho Matt Hardy vs. Kane vs. Gene Snitsky I'm stoked. ![]() ![]() |
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I'm all there is
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yea, pretty cool. Plus Hogan/Austin/Piper may be involved.
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Yeah, it looks pretty good. Here's how I'd like to see the card develope:
World Heavyweight Championship Triple H vs. Batista WWE Championship/WWE United States Championship John Bradshaw Layfield vs. John Cena Interpromotional Match The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton Interpromotional Match Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels WWE Intercontinenal Championship Shelton Benjamin vs. Muhammad Hassan Singles Match Edge vs. Mick Foley Grudge Match Eddie Guerrero vs. Rey Mysterio Triple Threat Match Kane vs. Gene Snitsky vs. Matt Hardy World Tag Team Championship Christian & Tyson Tomko vs. Chris Benoit & Chris Jericho WWE Tag Team Championship The Basham Brothers vs. Hardcore Holly & Charlie Haas Handicap Match Rhyno vs. William Regal & Tajiri WWE Women's Championship Trish Stratus vs. Christy Hemme WWE Cruiserweight Championship in a Ladder Match Paul London vs. Akio Grudge Match Booker T vs. Heidenreich |
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Resident drug enabler
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Piper is bound to be involved. He is being inducted into the Hall of Fame so they'll probably do the same thing they did at last year's WM where they had all the new Hall of Famers come out and take a bow and such.
And if Piper is there, you KNOW he'll do something else. |
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What do you guys think they will do with these guys
Edge Christian Shelton Benjamin La Resistance Booker T The Big Show The Bashams The crusierweights I'd expect Shelton vs Christian and Booker T vs Heidenrich to be added atleast to the Heat card I think it would work well if each brand had a number 1 contender match. Maybe Big Show against Booker T and Edge vs Jericho vs Benoit There just isn't a spot for Edge or TBS right now |
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Has anybody here seen a JBL vs Cena singles match? I have at a house show last year and, believe me, it was the shittest match of the night (btw Orlando Jordan and Chuck Palumbo were in singles matches that night)
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How does this sound for a SmackDown! main event: John Bradshaw Layfield vs. John Cena vs. Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels. Granted it takes away from HBK and Angle, but it adds something to te SmackDown! side of things to make it seem more special and important. |
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#9 |
TPWW's Glass Ceiling
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![]() That's not at you guys, that's at WM. |
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Give Cena vs JBL a gimmick match. Something like Flaming Tables Supported by Ladders in a Barbed Wire Elimination Chamber Padlocked by a Bunch of Steel Chairs Surrounded by a Kennel from Hell Match.
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Raw Video Footage
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Where's all this Taker/Orton stuff coming from? I've seen no build up?
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Franchise of TPWW
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For Cena/JBL to work there has to be a gimmick. Niether of the guys are exactly great in the ring. I love Cena as a character, but I don't really like to watch him wrestle.
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RAPTURE READY.
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isnt there 7 weeks before Wrestlemania?
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It's Hammer Time
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HHH/Batista will be the last. The dude who wins the Rumble gets to be in the Main Main Event. As in the last match.
Anyways... gimmick match for Cena/JBL? I say put them in one of my very own creations.... the GBSMWYCGBAPRRH! Which stands for the Gouging, Burning, Slashing Match Where You Can Get Burned And Possibly Really Really Hurt! Replace the ropes with barbed wire. Surround the ring in a cage... Which is heated so it BURNS. Allow each competitor to bring in one trash can filled with whatever objects they want. ![]() |
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not gayo
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Yea I don't see how they are going to build up Taker/Orton that quickly since Orton is with Stacy now and that automatically makes him a fully fleged face. They really have to start building this up right away if they want to make it believable.
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Damn me and my charisma
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not gayo
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SAVE_US.sheepbreeder222
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Yup. Mania 21 is shaping up to be S-P-L-E-N-D-I-D. I actually have faith that this year will be. Orton/Taker could be great, if not only for the atmosphere and build-up alone. And did I read that right on the front page that Taker is actually "willing" to job?
![]() Batista/Triple H I'm looking forward to, actually. They've really done a great job in turning big Dave into a guy the fans can really root for. Dave Batista, how can you not love the guy? ![]() Angle/Michaels is gonna be great, though. I'm really looking forward to that one. It's gotta be one of my most anticipated matches of the card. Unfortunate, though, that it might be Angle's last match. ![]() Eddie/Mysterio could be classic if done right. I'd have Mysterio go over, then send him into a short-term WWE Championship program with Cena(who I'm putting all my money on to win the title at Mania, whether I like him or not). Have Cena retain, then have Mysterio win the U.S. Title. Hopefully Cena will have dropped it before Mania. If not, then just have Mysterio win the U.S. Title right off the bat. Overall, though, Mania 21 is looking good. |
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RAPTURE READY.
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yeah, the US Title would totally suit Rey Rey. BLING BLING!
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Viva la Raza
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#21 |
It's Clobbering Time!
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Yeah, looking quite cool right now.
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Make the IWC Great Again
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Seems like a strong card in the ring, but poor at the box office.
Batista-HHH will definately go on last. Its the best built storyline going into the show, and well, HHH is a huuuuuuuuuuuge mark, so. Cena-JBL will be fine, in that it wont suck, but of course it wont be great. Heyman you really need to watch SD. Cena is over, the fans should be behind him. However, I do expect an overbooked match. I expect a coupple of ref bumps, Cabinet interference, and a lot of F-U's. Rey/Eddie, Benoit/Jericho, Angle/HBK should all be great for workrate fans. I really hope they do Edge vs Foley, because as of right now, Edge looks pretty screwed with no Mania opponent. Orton/Taker could be alright as long as Orton wins. I'd love to see him totally lay out Taker after the match. Big Show and BT are kinda screwed on SD, they dont really have obvious programs heading into the show. I got a feeling we could get Show vs Heidenreich, and man would that suck. For the CW title, I would do London-Chavo and for the tag titles I would do Christian and Tomko vs Tajiri and Regal on RAW and the returning babyface Dudleys vs Bashams on SD. But with all that, I dont see one match that will have a casual fan coming out to see the show. |
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Father of Hinduship
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I don't doubt the fact that the fans will be behind John Cena. I've even admitted to the fact that Cena and Guerrero are arguably the two biggest faces in the WWE. The problem however, is with JBL. Is JBL's character great? Yes. Is it great as a main-eventer? FUCK no. JBL has looked like a complete joke as a main-eventer in my opinion. The guy has had almost ZERO clean victories over credible opponents! JBL is a great character, but the fans don't care about him as a main-eventer. Triple H may be tremendously stale as a heel (or main-eventer for that matter), but atleast the fans still respect the fact that Batista possibly defeating "former mentor" Triple H would be something of huge significance. Cena has beaten the likes of Big Show, Booker T, and now Angle. Should people be unbelievably surpised if Cena beats JBL at Mania? Should there be a huge face pop afterwards? If Austin defeated Marc Mero in the main-event at Wrestlemania (instead of Shawn Michaels) would it have "meant as much"? |
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Make the IWC Great Again
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HBK didn't have any legitimate wins before he dropped the title to Austin in 98, but people still popped for it. And JBL did win the Armageddon and Rumble matches somewhat clean. I personally think its more important who is chasing the title, than who the champ is. I think people want to see Cena win, so they'll pop when it happens. |
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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In fact, people would pop if he DID shit his shorts. Doesn't mean it makes for a good match. |
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#26 |
...IN HD!!!!
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The Dudleys vs. The Bashams for the Tag Titles are also a rumored Mania match.
Also I heard that Big Show might take on that Sumo wrestler they worked an angle with in Japan. |
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Spammy Certified
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EL MERO MERO!
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All I wanna know is how, if this is true, the Taker/ Orton fued will be set up. There is not enough time to build this as much as they build up the other WM matches. I feel it will be set up so horribly like we find out that Taker hates concussions and attacks RKO because of this or Randy is upset at Taker's WM return last year and wants to "kill" off the Dead Man for good.
... Or they just announce it's RKO v. Taker. It just doesn't work at all. And if Cena v. JBL needs a gimmick for WM, here's the perfect one: Lumberjack match, only... the lumberjacks are covered in barb wire. That = ....meh. |
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It's Hammer Time
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No no! The lumberjacks are on FIRE!!
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"Ask him!"
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The Cena/JBL match NEEDS to be overbooked for it to work.
There have to be at least 2 moments during the course of the match where we think JBL is going to win. Maybe the Bashams distract the referee and Jordan whacks Cena with the belt and gets out of the ring. JBL slowly drapes an arm over John and gets a long 2 count. Then Cena hits the FU, gets a 2 count, and get dropped with a massive Clothesline from Hell for another long, long 2 count. The fans have to be eating this thing up, believing that the WWE is going to fuck us over and NOT have JBL lose the WWE Title. In fact, I think it might work better for John to get the win after some kind of a rollup pin instead of the F-U, just because it will generate a much bigger pop. Then again, they could just have Cena lose to JBL. |
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But anyway, can I just say how much I HATE Cena's character. It's not funny, not cool, and it's not going to draw in any fans. I know if any people saw what he does tha weren't previously wrestling fans, they'd laugh and then flick the channel. I still don't know if the fans really care about Cena. He hasn't really made his mark, and is instead just getting an obvious push towads winning the title. He almost seems spoilt in the way he is receiving the title, IMO. If the WWE choose to have Cena do the job at WrestleMania, it would be the ultimate test to see if the fans care about Cena or not. The fans may actually become more likely to accept the fact that JBL has a grip on the WWE Title, that not even their hero can relinquish. I personally think they should have Eddie Guerrero snap at WrestleMania, then have him cost Cena the match for some reason. At Judgment Day, we have Cena vs. Guerrero, where Eddie goes and gets disqualified, by kicking all kinds of shit (or should I say poop?) out of Cena. They then run an angle where Eddie says he has zero faith in Cena, and knows he will lose, which would play off what Eddie said to Cena at No Way Out. At The Great American Bash, Cena wins a Texas Bullrope Match against JBL to capture the WWE Championship, which plays with Eddie's mind. This leads to a Ladder Match at Summerslam between Cena and Guerrero, where Cena would walk out again with the WWE Title. Instead of putting the title on Cena in the predictable "as soon as he gets a shot which just happens to be a WrestleMania" way, this is more of a way to build-up John Cena's first reign with the belt. |
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"Ask him!"
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Not to mention get Guerrero back in the title picture.
I like it. |
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This is how I see it panning out:
World Heavyweight Championship Match: Batista vs. The Winner (a.k.a. Triple H) WWE Championshite Match: Boring Blackjack vs. Boring Rapper "Semi-Retired, Permanantely Injured" Match Kurt "Bad-Neck" Angle vs. Shawn "Bad-Back" Michaels Pee-Break #2: Undertaker vs. Randy Orton (Let me guess the finish...Tombstone? Nahh!) Potential Show Stealer: Rey Mysterio Jr. vs. Eddie Guerrero Other Potential Show Stealer: Chris Benoit vs. Chris Jericho Pointless Match Just to Get Edge a match: Edge vs. Shelton Benjamin Women's Championship: Bra and Panties Chocolate Mud-Fight with Jerry Lawler as the Special Guest Referee: Playmate 1 vs. Playmate 2 (Seriously, is there even a women's champion anymore, or did they just do away with the belt when they fired all their female wrestlers?) Who Cares Match: Gene Snitzky vs. Kane vs. the Hardy that didn't leave Pee-Break #1 Big Show vs. Heidenshite Opening Match: Booker T vs. The Winner (since Booker T seems to be contractually obligated to lose, no matter how shite his opponents are). |
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Here is what we have confirmed/being built-up at the moment:
World Heavyweight Championship Triple H vs. Batista WWE Championship John Bradshaw Layfield vs. John Cena WWE Intercontinental Championship Shelton Benjamin vs. Gene Snitsky WWE Cruiserweight Championship Chavo Guerrero vs. Paul London Interpromotional Match The Undertaker vs. Randy Orton Interpromotional Match Kurt Angle vs. Shawn Michaels Grudge Match Booker T vs. Heidenreich It doesn't look like a bad card. Maybe you could have Chris Jericho and Edge & Christian challenge Wlliam Regal & Tajiri for the World Tag Team Championship in a TLC Match. Edge said he'd never do one again, but I wouldn't put it past him, as he is a guy that will do a lot for the fans. I can see Edge vs. Christian and Jericho vs. Benoit, though, or a tag team match with Benoit & Jericho vs. E & C, or something mixed like Jericho & Christian vs. Edge & Benoit. |
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Ron Paul 4 EVA
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Fuck that. An hour of WM will be an iron man pillow fight between Chrissy Hemme and Trish.
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