John Cena (Smackdown Spoilers)

**Goulet** · 03-02-2005, 12:08 AM

Cena lost the US title to Orlando Jordan tonight at the Smackdown tapings

Credit: Gerweck.net

**The Naitch** · 03-02-2005, 12:08 AM

THE JUICE IS LOOSE!!!!

**Volchok** · 03-02-2005, 12:39 AM

o yeah tonight its at the Pepsi.. stupid snow storm closed school so i couldnt scope out the Pepsi...

**KingofOldSchool** · 03-02-2005, 12:43 AM

I knew that was coming...

**den1982** · 03-02-2005, 12:53 AM

i be them not oj

**Shaggy** · 03-02-2005, 12:55 AM

This possibly could only mean that he will gain the title at mania....I guess JBLs days are numbered.

**John la Rock** · 03-02-2005, 12:58 AM

I hope Cena doesn't win at Mania because Batista's win will make Cena's win seem unimportant since it wasn't the main-event

**Corkscrewed** · 03-02-2005, 12:59 AM

You are fucking kidding me. He DESTROYS everyone in his path, surviving cheap heel tactics, a stabbed kidney, and everything thrown in his way, and then he loses the title to, out of all people, ORLANDO JORDAN??????????

Shit like this is why SmackDOWN! sucks. Yes, I've become a RAW fan now. (Now that I get Spike TV, it's easy to say)

**John la Rock** · 03-02-2005, 01:00 AM

because OJ has a dental plan

**The Naitch** · 03-02-2005, 01:00 AM

Orlando Jordan looks funny

**Corkscrewed** · 03-02-2005, 01:18 AM

When he had that freaky face on vs Cena a few weeks ago, I thought he looked like a banshee.

**RGWhat316** · 03-02-2005, 01:31 AM

Well I thought this might happen, but with Cena's momentum, I thought he would go into WM as US champ. I'll have to see how this goes on tv, especially since Cena just destroyed OJ at the house show I was at on Saturday.

**Funky Fly** · 03-02-2005, 01:34 AM

The trouble is that Jordan doesn't look credible because he was elevated too fast.

It was like fluke win by a jobber in the first hour, Upper mid carder by the end of the show in one epsode. This is what backstage politics does. Once the old timers are working less, they are forced to thrust the new guys into the main event without the years of climbing the card that gives their character more depth and gives them time to improve in the ring before hitting the main event.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 03-02-2005, 02:20 AM

Whatever, now Big Show has a match for WM

LK · 03-02-2005, 03:46 AM

I knew this was coming

**#1-norm-fan** · 03-02-2005, 04:39 AM

Jesus H. Christ this is a bad move. Only because I'm almost positive the WWE did it in a way that made Cena look bad like having him lose to simple quick interferance.

The only way it would be okay is if

A) He were to be beaten down for a long period of time with interferance, foreign
objects, etc. ala Rock-Austin @ WM 17.

or B) Something happened early in the match (Preferably thanks to interferance) where he was unable to continue the match due to blood loss or bad injury and the belt was awarded to Orlando. This would be a betetr scenario than the first actually since it might take him off TV for a few weeks and make his health a question going into WM.

I'm sure neither of these were done though and that's what pisses me off. Just when I think they've finally remembered how to build a great wrestling character with Cena...

**Chavo Classic** · 03-02-2005, 06:36 AM

wait wait wait, THAT orlando jordan?..... awwww nuts!

**Pegasus Crawford** · 03-02-2005, 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by #1-wwf-fan

Only because I'm almost positive the WWE did it in a way that made Cena look bad like having him lose to simple quick interferance.

And you are right. Bashams distracted the ref, while JBL smacked Cena with the WWE title, with OJ following up with the pin.

Typical heel win for a championship.

**Hired Hitman** · 03-02-2005, 10:57 AM

...This would have been funnier if it was on raw.

**Loose Cannon** · 03-02-2005, 11:01 AM

here we go again with someone having shit for brains on the writing team. What are they fucking out of thier minds over there? I don't see any way you can justify having Cena lose his US Title right before he is about to wrestle for the World Title at Wrestlemania. Someone should of shoved Wrestlemania 6 right in the face of whomever decided that one. And Orlando Jordan of all people. Did he beat anybody before that other then crappy jobbers? Wow, the more I'm writing this, the more I want to stab someone.

**The Icon of Elisim** · 03-02-2005, 05:48 PM

I thought of an idea today

Haas gets the win instead of Jordan

Next week he shows up on Raw to visit Shelton. Shelton ribs him about how he needed help to win the belt. Haas takes offense and the two start to fight and we get a Haas vs Benjamin interpromotional match for WM.

**The Show Off** · 03-02-2005, 06:02 PM

Cena losing the United States Championship before Wrestlemania is just WWE's way to have a US Title Match and a World Title match at Wrestlemania. Also someone mentioned before something about Wrestlemania VI, where Ultimate Warrior was the Intercontinental Champion going into his match against Hogan. There is one big diffrence between Cena and Warrior, Warrior won the title at Wrestlemania, Cena's not going to beat JBL at Wrestlemania, because even being the second to last match at Wrestlemania isn't big enough stakes for Cena to win the gold the first time.

Cena's going to win the World Championship at Wrestlemania XXII, and that's going to be the first time he does it. Randy Orton is going to jump to Smackdown! and be a heel. After a few months or so Randy will win the the Championship, and he Eddie Guerrero, JBL, and probably Taker will throw the title around, all the while planting the seeds of a Cena/Orton match at Wrestlemania XXII. Then Cena wins the Rumble and then the World Championship, making him huge!

With all that being said him losing the US Championship doesn't hurt his character, he lost due to interference, that make him look like he was screwed, just like he was when Booker T got the US belt and just like when Carlito won the US belt. Cena hasn't cleanly lost a match in about a year, so how the hell could anyone say his character is getting hurt? In the long run, him losing the US title is meaninless to his career.

**Loose Cannon** · 03-02-2005, 06:09 PM

1) He lost his Title to a jobber

2) I'll be my house he wins at Mania

3) You don't job your most over guy in the company to crap.

4) You can win 200 matches in a row and have your character killed in one night (**see WCW Dec 99)

5) Not saying his character is killed, but having him pinned 3 weeks before Mania by a guy that hasn't beat anybody big in....WELL NEVER...doesn't help a lot.

**Marc the Smark** · 03-02-2005, 06:29 PM

Credit to PWInsider.com for the following report:

I just got back from the Smackdown taping in Albany, New York. Decent size crowd tonight; Max 10000 people. 65% of the upper deck was tapered off. Though most of the matches were your regular Smackdown and Velocity quality matches, the crowd was pretty lively and almost every wrestler got a reaction. Here's a quick run of the velocity and Smackdown tapings. <

Dark Match:

Joey Matthews and Johnny Nitro (with their extremely hot manager Melina) beat Scotty 2 Hotty and Shannon Moore. Shannon Moore did a beautiful somersault plancha to the outside. Nitro and Matthews use a 3D/DDT type finisher.

Velocity:

The Bashams beat Hardcore Holly and Charlie Haas

Nunzio beat Spike Dudley

Paul London and Funaki beat Chavo Guererro and Akio with London hitting an amazing dropsault on Chavo and Akio (Akio got the moonsault portion) followed by a picture perfect 450 Splash to end the match.

Before Smackdown, a long Wrestlemania promo was showed with many wrestlers like Mick Foley, The Rock and Steve Austin talking about how "Wrestlemania changes careers".

Smackdown:

John Cena comes out to the biggest pop of the night. Pretty much he just wants to fight JBL. He's a fighting champion and therefore will defend his US title against Orlando Jordan in the main event

1st match- Tag Team Title match- Eddie Guerrero and Rey Misterio Jr. beat Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns with Eddie hitting the frogsplash on Luther and Rey hits the 619 on the outside. Luther and Jindrak argue after the match and Jindrak knocks Luther down with a single punch.

Carlito and Teddy Long backstage segment. Carlito has to listen to Teddy Long or he will leave Smackdown. First assignment, start shoveling snow outside of the Pepsi Arena.

2nd match- Booker T beat Heidenrich. Heidenrich tries to use a chair. Gets DDTed on the chair + axe kick. booker wins

Best part of the match. Angle comes out with a couple of cops for the Angle Invitational. Talks about "beating HBK to a bloody pulp" on his home "turf" on RAW. Shows the footage from Monday night. The challenger comes out with hoody covering his face. Angle says "You think I'm that gullible? You're Shawn Michaels" It's not Michaels, it's some wrestler from Albany, New York (big pop). Angle says something then the cameraman behind Angle takes off his hat, fake mustache and eyebrows revealing HBK. Let the brawling begins. Security stops it. Enormous HBK chants. He love us and gives us a round of applause.

Backstage promo- Michelle McCool, Joy and Lauren "I am completely useless" Jones are backstage. All you need to know is that Dawn Marie is p*ssed at Michelle and challenges her to a match, a mixed tag match. They can pick any partner.

3rd match- Dawn Marie brings out Renee Dupree. Michelle brings out *suprise* Big Show. Michelle tries to wrestle. She sucks. Tries to do a springboard type elbow but messed up. Big Show chokeslams Renee. 123. Show and random diva #4 wins match.

Various WM commericals shown.

Carlito shown outside the Pepsi shoveling snow with one hand. Car passed by and covers Carlito with water.

JBL promo. We are stupid, we should respect him. Talks about his great upbringing. We're white trash blah blah blah. Leaves pissed off because he's booed like mad.

Bashams, JBL and Jordan go to leave but JBL stops him and tells him he better win the US title or he'll "send him back to the hood and his people" RACIST COMMENT! Thanks for insulting 5% of the crowd who are black.

4th match- US Title match- Orlando Jordan beat John Cena to become the new US champion. Bashams ran in and distracted the ref as JBL clocks Cena with the WWE title allowing Jordan to get the pin.

Immediately following the cameras going off. Cena is still in the ring and Taker comes in. HUGE pop. The dark match was advertised as a 6 man tag between Undertaker, Cena and Big Show vs. Kurt Angle, JBL and Heindenrich but it's changed to a regular tag match with Cena and Taker vs. JBL and Orlando Jordan. Funny stuff. Tazz wears JBL's hat and JBL wears Tazz's sunglasses. Lots of funny stuff. JBL throws up the X injury sign saying Jordan is hurt. JBL wrestle in dress shoes and pants. JBL calls for a time out during the match. Also, tries to choke Taker with the tag rope. Eventually we get Take chokeslamming Jordan and the FU from Cena on JBL to end the match. everyone leaves except for Taker who does his regular stuff much to the satisfaction of the crowd.

Not a great show but live events are extremely fun

Biggest Pop:
Cena
HBK/Taker
Big Show
Eddie/Rey

Biggest Heat:
JBL
Kurt Angle

**The Show Off** · 03-02-2005, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

1) He lost his Title to a jobber

2) I'll be my house he wins at Mania

3) You don't job your most over guy in the company to crap.

4) You can win 200 matches in a row and have your character killed in one night (**see WCW Dec 99)

5) Not saying his character is killed, but having him pinned 3 weeks before Mania by a guy that hasn't beat anybody big in....WELL NEVER...doesn't help a lot.

1.) John Cena didn't lose to a jobber, he lost to the "second in command" in the second biggest faction in the WWE in the past 3 or 4 years.

2.) I'll take that bet, and I'll have fun living in your house.

3.) Once again he didn't job to crap, he jobbed to the "Second in command" of the second biggest faction in WWE in the past 3 or 4 years.

4.) You can't kill off a character with one loss after that much build up. I'm not exactly sure what your refering too with December '99, but if you mean December '98 when Kevin Nash beat Goldberg, and the whole tazer incident, then your wrong that didn't kill Goldberg. Goldberg still got swome of the biggest pops in the company after that.

5.) Orlando Jordan beat Booker T on a match on Smackdown a couple of months ago. Not to mention Jordan has a lot of heat behind him being alone with JBL. And it does help the build up to Wrestlemania, because now they can play off the fact that Jordan has his coustom belt that was iconic of John Cena, it adds feul to the Wrestlemania Main Event.

**Volchok** · 03-02-2005, 06:36 PM

you gotta love the Albany fans..

**Loose Cannon** · 03-02-2005, 06:44 PM

I really don't know how to respond to this beacuse your the first person I've heard, casual or internet fan, pushing OJ as a credible worker. He gets no reaction what so ever and yet you see him as one of the best guys on Smackdown. Being 2nd in command in a stable nobody gives a crap about isn't saying a whole lot. The ratings and the breakdown numbers for JBL's segments prove that. Just buy a copy of the Observer and see who's tuning in to watch.

They're not having JBL winning at Mania. He's held the Title for way to long and Mania is always the place where a guy puts a stop to it. So far, I read the plan is Cena is winning. I really don't see the logic in jobbing your #1 babyface in the company at Wrestlemania for the Title. He's like thier "Austin" right now.

Saying that, let me ask you this. Say Austin had the IC Title and was going to face HBK for the Title at Mania. Do you make Austin job to HHH 3 weeks before that due to HBK interference? There's no logic there. Making your "money guys" look weak is a no no.

Oh and the Goldberg thing, again talk to anyone and they'll say that moment killed WCW and Goldberg. You should get a copy of Bobby Heenan's shoot interview. He says it himself. And he's as credible as you can get.

**Loose Cannon** · 03-02-2005, 06:58 PM

and even if JBL wins at Mania: Now you've beaten your most over superstar twice in Title matches. To me, that makes Cena seem worthless. He came all this way up and now he's lost his US Title, lost a chance at the World Title and lost at the biggest stage of them all.

**The Show Off** · 03-02-2005, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

and even if JBL wins at Mania: Now you've beaten your most over superstar twice in Title matches. To me, that makes Cena seem worthless. He came all this way up and now he's lost his US Title, lost a chance at the World Title and lost at the biggest stage of them all.

All leading to him facing Randy Orton at Wrestlemania XXII with the lable that John Cena can't win the big one. It's a perfect set up, at least I think so.

Do I think Orlando Jordan is US Title material, sure why not, in the same sence that Carlito is. By no means do I think Jordan winning the US Championship is perfect, but it's not a killer to Cena's character either. As long as it's a screw job ending it doesn't hurt the babyface.

The whole thing with Goldberg and Nash didn't hurt Goldberg's credibility, it hurt WCW's credibility, there's a big diffrence. THe people still loved Goldberg, they just started to hate WCW, because Nash winning was obvious politics.

I guess I'm alone in liking Orlando Jordan, I think the guy has a lot of chrisma and he keeps getting better in the ring. Now that he has Cena's coustom title he and JBL could cut a promo on how they sold the costom belt and got a more respectable belt, and they can unveil a new US Championship. This'll give JBL and Jordan lots of heat, kinda like when McMahon put the Smoking SKull Belt on his mantle, obviously less heat then that but still.

In a way this is win win, you get the title off of Cena, just incase he does win the championship, you make JBL look more like a jerk, it give a young talented kid some heat, and it adds a little more to the World title match. All of this happens and Cena comes away looking fine. He loses a screwjob match, people don't lose credibility losing a match in which they got screwed out of the title.

03-02-2005, 07:20 PM

LC said it best..

**Corkscrewed** · 03-02-2005, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by The Show Off

1.) John Cena didn't lose to a jobber, he lost to the "second in command" in the second biggest faction in the WWE in the past 3 or 4 years.

2.) I'll take that bet, and I'll have fun living in your house.

3.) Once again he didn't job to crap, he jobbed to the "Second in command" of the second biggest faction in WWE in the past 3 or 4 years.

4.) You can't kill off a character with one loss after that much build up. I'm not exactly sure what your refering too with December '99, but if you mean December '98 when Kevin Nash beat Goldberg, and the whole tazer incident, then your wrong that didn't kill Goldberg. Goldberg still got swome of the biggest pops in the company after that.

5.) Orlando Jordan beat Booker T on a match on Smackdown a couple of months ago. Not to mention Jordan has a lot of heat behind him being alone with JBL. And it does help the build up to Wrestlemania, because now they can play off the fact that Jordan has his coustom belt that was iconic of John Cena, it adds feul to the Wrestlemania Main Event.

Geez, you sound like a complete mark right there. OJ has as much credibility as JBL did at the start of his reign... that is... none. He's viewed as a Virgil type figure, and the only heat he gets is X-Pac heat.

How many people boo OJ when he's out? They boo JBL, not OJ. Being a part of a heel faction means nothing if you can't get over on your own at least a bit, and OJ couldn't offend a white supremecist at a KKK meeting.

OJ might be "second in command of the biggest faction in recent years," but that's because JBL's cabinent is like the ONLY faction on SD in recent years. And not a really good one either, seeing as it's been put together with crummy people who didn't have any credibility before they came together. Hell, the ONLY reason the group has any credibility is because of longevity: that's all. They haven't done much, and excluding JBL's recent actual credible victories, they've basically sucked.

There are about 50 guys who deserve the US Title more than Cena, and even jobbing it to them wouldn't be wise at the moment. Cena going into WM with the chance to become a double title holder would have added more intrigue into a feud that's basically a one month feud. Wrestlemania feuds are supposed to be culminations of several months of activity (see HHH vs Batista; Benoit vs HHH; Lesnar vs Angle; Rock vs Austin I), not given just the typical PPV buildup treatment.

And now that they have Carlito embarrassing himself, SD! has given me even less of a reason to watch. I'll probably try to catch the Angle/HBK segment, and that's all.

**Fox** · 03-02-2005, 07:54 PM

I understand you people's concern over Orlando beating Cena only weeks before WrestleMania, where Cena is in the Smackdown main event for the Title. It would have been cool for John to win the WWE Title, then celebrate his victory holding both titles and looking like a champ (see: Jericho when he won the Undisputed Titles, he looked like a bad ass carrying both belts).

But at the same time, John Cena doesn't need the US Title to make his victory at WrestleMania any bigger. It would just lead to a tournament on Smackdown, or some other lame shit. Given, this situation is pretty lame too, but it gives someone else a chance with the US Title, furthers the JBL/Cena feud, and sets up another title match at Mania.

The WWE must know that Jordan is shit (JBL's shit too, but at least he can talk). OJ will job the title to a more deserving FACE at WrestleMania (probably Haas) and the title will become a mid-card belt again, instead of Cena's pretty little trophy. Cena is a main event player now - the US title is below him. I'd like to see Haas with the US Title as well, but what sense would it have made to give Charlie (a face) a victory over Cena (also a face)? This way, the Cabinet has a one-up on Cena by taking his title away, and a face can win the US Title at Mania. It's all about business.

**Fox** · 03-02-2005, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Loose Cannon

and even if JBL wins at Mania: Now you've beaten your most over superstar twice in Title matches. To me, that makes Cena seem worthless. He came all this way up and now he's lost his US Title, lost a chance at the World Title and lost at the biggest stage of them all.

I'm sure that the WWE realizes this.

I think Cena's US Title loss pretty much solidifies his victory over JBL at Mania. They wouldn't gut his character by giving him two title losses in a month. He'll win at 21 and someone else will win the US Title at 21.

**The CyNick** · 03-02-2005, 09:01 PM

Show Off, LC si completely right on this one.

I also like OJ, and I think he has potential, but to say he's a credible star just because he hangs out with the WWE Champion lacks some logic. By your logic when Taker was WWE Champ with the Ministry, Viscera and Mideon were credible top guys.

Cena IS going to win at Mania, and the fact that he dropped the US title pretty much guarantees that. They will not have him lose both of his titles within the span of 5 weeks, especially when they plan on making him the focal point of Smackdown. And they cant build up his first WWE Title win for a whole year when he is so close to winning right now. If they were to wait that long, the people would give up on Cena long before Mania 22.

I agree with LC that having him JOB was really dumb. By having him win the WWE Title as the US Champ actually elevates the US title, and keeps Cena strong. Because now we've seen the guy who was the US champ beat the WWE Champ. The next guy who carries the US title would be able to point to that fact as a reason why they are top guy as well. The smart thing to do would have been for JBL to remind Long about the 30 day and clause and force Cena to defend the US title at least twice between now and Mania. They could build up that Cena is working more than JBL and therefore more vulnerable at Mania. Of course he would end up conquering the odds and win the WWE Title. Its very simple booking (which is why it would work).

The theory that they needed to have a US title match at Mania is also dumb. There's no match that they could make for OJ that would get people going "whoa OJ is defending the US title against___________ I have to see that". Its just going to be a throwaway match that nobody will remeber. Looking at the guys who dont have a serious program for Mania, the most likely match for OJ will be Booker T or more likely Big Show. Does anyone think Show-OJ will help Mania sell PPVs? If you do you're retarded.

Regarding WCW and Goldberg, the thing that killed Goldberg was that he lost the title, and never got revenge for it. Everytime Austin or Hogan lost the title in the WWE, they would battle back and get it back. With Goldberg they just pushed him aside, and it made him look like a joke. But that said, having him lose at that point to Nash, the way it happened was really stupid.

**The Show Off** · 03-02-2005, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The CyNick

Show Off, LC si completely right on this one.

I also like OJ, and I think he has potential, but to say he's a credible star just because he hangs out with the WWE Champion lacks some logic. By your logic when Taker was WWE Champ with the Ministry, Viscera and Mideon were credible top guys.

Cena IS going to win at Mania, and the fact that he dropped the US title pretty much guarantees that. They will not have him lose both of his titles within the span of 5 weeks, especially when they plan on making him the focal point of Smackdown. And they cant build up his first WWE Title win for a whole year when he is so close to winning right now. If they were to wait that long, the people would give up on Cena long before Mania 22.

I agree with LC that having him JOB was really dumb. By having him win the WWE Title as the US Champ actually elevates the US title, and keeps Cena strong. Because now we've seen the guy who was the US champ beat the WWE Champ. The next guy who carries the US title would be able to point to that fact as a reason why they are top guy as well. The smart thing to do would have been for JBL to remind Long about the 30 day and clause and force Cena to defend the US title at least twice between now and Mania. They could build up that Cena is working more than JBL and therefore more vulnerable at Mania. Of course he would end up conquering the odds and win the WWE Title. Its very simple booking (which is why it would work).

The theory that they needed to have a US title match at Mania is also dumb. There's no match that they could make for OJ that would get people going "whoa OJ is defending the US title against___________ I have to see that". Its just going to be a throwaway match that nobody will remeber. Looking at the guys who dont have a serious program for Mania, the most likely match for OJ will be Booker T or more likely Big Show. Does anyone think Show-OJ will help Mania sell PPVs? If you do you're retarded.

Regarding WCW and Goldberg, the thing that killed Goldberg was that he lost the title, and never got revenge for it. Everytime Austin or Hogan lost the title in the WWE, they would battle back and get it back. With Goldberg they just pushed him aside, and it made him look like a joke. But that said, having him lose at that point to Nash, the way it happened was really stupid.

We have two diffrent ways of looking at this one. I'm pretty sure that Cena isn't going to become World Champion at Wrestlemania, because this match isn't big enough, it isn't the main event. However, I do get all your points I understand the logic involved, but I just disagree. I suppose their is no other way for me to say it, I disagree.

However, you did prove me right with you last paragraph, the loss didn't kill Goldberg the plan after the loss killed him, so my statment that screwjobs don't kill babyfaces. So LC isn't completely right, and nor am I. So to say that he's completely right and I'm completely wrong is asinine. We are neither of us right or wrong, this is all opinion which has no right or wrong. So just because you don't think what wrote was a good idea, doesn't mean anything really. I'm sure no one will agree with me about Cena losing at Wrestlemania XXI just wait until April 3rd.

03-02-2005, 11:40 PM

John Cena wasn't in the main event last year, yet he won the US title from Big Show.

**Hired Hitman** · 03-02-2005, 11:42 PM

"Carlito shown outside the Pepsi shoveling snow with one hand. Car passed by and covers Carlito with water."

**#1-norm-fan** · 03-03-2005, 04:06 AM

Alright, here's the deal...

The Rock lost ALL THE TIME during his peak. He was huge no matter what therefore, the WWE would job him left and right and since he was so big they would milk each loss and try to make it seem huge. However, for that part of the audience (Myself definately included) who believe that bigger of a star you are, the more there should be an illusion of invincability to you, it was absolutely HORRIBLE.

If you really love wrestling as WRESTLING, and love it for the illusion of being real sport and competition, then you want to see characters being built as part of an echelon. At the top of that echelon you want guys who seem impossible to beat and are consistant in how tough they are to beat in that they don't go through a grueling 45 minute match with a top-teir guy @ a PPV one night and then lose in 10 minutes to a lesser star a week later (See Hogan in the early '90's, Bret Hart and HBK in the mid 90's.) Then you want that echelon to go down to the jobbers that no one really cares about.

Right now, in WWE everyone is right in the middle. The biggest stars (barring HHH) have virtually identical win-loss records as the mid-range guys. So if you are into the old school sports aspect of wrestling, then what makes a main eventer a main eventer? With Cena, WWE has done a pretty good job making him into a true main eventer in that he was good as a rookie, putting up a good fight against Kurt Angle in his first match and has become better to the point where he beat Angle in a great match to earn his title shot. Now after the match he had with Angle, all that progress is jarred again with what seems to be a relatively easy loss to Orlando Jordan.

I'm upset to say the least.

Also, if I don't atleast get the joy of seeing Cena win the WWE title @ WM I will cry for an extended period of time.

**Mr. Nerfect** · 03-03-2005, 05:27 AM

I think the only two good things that can come out of this are a new US Title that is acually a decent belt with some kind of dignity to it, and maybe a new "gets DQ'd on purpose to retain the title" heel. I personally think it would be interesting to see JBL demand Orlando hands the US Title over to him after he loses at WrestleMania.

I think it goes without saying that Cena will win at WrestleMania. I personally don't want him to, but him wlaking away with the WWE Championship is almost certain.

I don't mind Cena the person, or the wrestler, but I know that if any of my friends tuned in to SmackDown! and saw Cena, they would laugh and yell "What a retard!" out loud. I think this "Chain Gang" stuff turns away just as many kids as it draws in.

Unfortunately the WWE have dug themselves into a whole where their only challenger on SmackDown! is John Cena. SO WHY TAKE THE F'N US TITLE OFF HIM?!?

If they really wanted to make something of the heat between The Cabinet and Cena, they could have had Cena win the WWE Title at WrestleMania WHILE he is US Champion, and then on SmackDown! you run the OJ thing. The next week you have JBL demand OJ hand him the title, and they play up how JBL was too scared to get in the ring with Cena, and we get an OJ face turn and a title defense against JBL at Judgment Day.

I'd personally ship Cena off to RAW after Mania for Batista, so we can have John Cena vs. Christian a Backlash for the WWE Championship (how great would that mini-feud be, seriously?), and Batista defending against Kurt Angle at Judgment Day. I know WrestleMania may be his last match, but if he decides to stay around (which I think he will because Angle gives way too much for us), he and Batista would make a great feud, IMO.

**Scarface** · 03-03-2005, 05:56 AM

I agree with #1-wwf-fan, Cena losing his US championship should have been a major screw job with all sorts of people coming out to help screw him over and OJ winning should have been by the squeekiest of margins.

It would have also made it seem possible that Cena could lose via interference at Mania and thusly give him a proper opponent in the unexpected rather than just that lame-ass JBL.

03-02-2005, 12:08 AM	#1
Goulet What!? GOULET! Posts: 1,405	John Cena (Smackdown Spoilers) Cena lost the US title to Orlando Jordan tonight at the Smackdown tapings Credit: Gerweck.net

03-02-2005, 12:08 AM	#2
The Naitch RAPTURE READY. Posts: 31,936	THE JUICE IS LOOSE!!!!

03-02-2005, 12:39 AM	#3
Volchok L.G. Fuad Posts: 4,834	o yeah tonight its at the Pepsi.. stupid snow storm closed school so i couldnt scope out the Pepsi...

03-02-2005, 12:43 AM	#4
KingofOldSchool ...IN HD!!!! Posts: 23,327	I knew that was coming...

03-02-2005, 12:53 AM	#5
den1982 Posts: 74	i be them not oj

03-02-2005, 12:55 AM	#6
Shaggy Yipee Kai Yay!!! Posts: 5,705	This possibly could only mean that he will gain the title at mania....I guess JBLs days are numbered.

03-02-2005, 12:58 AM	#7
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	I hope Cena doesn't win at Mania because Batista's win will make Cena's win seem unimportant since it wasn't the main-event

03-02-2005, 12:59 AM	#8
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	You are fucking kidding me. He DESTROYS everyone in his path, surviving cheap heel tactics, a stabbed kidney, and everything thrown in his way, and then he loses the title to, out of all people, ORLANDO JORDAN?????????? Shit like this is why SmackDOWN! sucks. Yes, I've become a RAW fan now. (Now that I get Spike TV, it's easy to say)

03-02-2005, 01:00 AM	#9
John la Rock That's how I roll!!! Posts: 4,437	because OJ has a dental plan

03-02-2005, 01:18 AM	#11
Corkscrewed Posts: 18,357	When he had that freaky face on vs Cena a few weeks ago, I thought he looked like a banshee.

03-02-2005, 01:31 AM	#12
RGWhat316 YesYesYes! Posts: 4,163	Well I thought this might happen, but with Cena's momentum, I thought he would go into WM as US champ. I'll have to see how this goes on tv, especially since Cena just destroyed OJ at the house show I was at on Saturday.

03-02-2005, 01:34 AM	#13
Funky Fly The Satanic Mechanic Posts: 52,521	The trouble is that Jordan doesn't look credible because he was elevated too fast. It was like fluke win by a jobber in the first hour, Upper mid carder by the end of the show in one epsode. This is what backstage politics does. Once the old timers are working less, they are forced to thrust the new guys into the main event without the years of climbing the card that gives their character more depth and gives them time to improve in the ring before hitting the main event.

03-02-2005, 02:20 AM	#14
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	Whatever, now Big Show has a match for WM

03-02-2005, 03:46 AM	#15
LK It's Clobbering Time! Posts: 5,337	I knew this was coming

03-02-2005, 04:39 AM	#16
#1-norm-fan Resident drug enabler Posts: 45,473	Jesus H. Christ this is a bad move. Only because I'm almost positive the WWE did it in a way that made Cena look bad like having him lose to simple quick interferance. The only way it would be okay is if A) He were to be beaten down for a long period of time with interferance, foreign objects, etc. ala Rock-Austin @ WM 17. or B) Something happened early in the match (Preferably thanks to interferance) where he was unable to continue the match due to blood loss or bad injury and the belt was awarded to Orlando. This would be a betetr scenario than the first actually since it might take him off TV for a few weeks and make his health a question going into WM. I'm sure neither of these were done though and that's what pisses me off. Just when I think they've finally remembered how to build a great wrestling character with Cena...

03-02-2005, 06:36 AM	#17
Chavo Classic The Great Pink Hope Posts: 8,817	wait wait wait, THAT orlando jordan?..... awwww nuts!

03-02-2005, 10:57 AM	#19
Hired Hitman The Next Great One н� Posts: 18,684	...This would have been funnier if it was on raw.

03-02-2005, 11:01 AM	#20
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	here we go again with someone having shit for brains on the writing team. What are they fucking out of thier minds over there? I don't see any way you can justify having Cena lose his US Title right before he is about to wrestle for the World Title at Wrestlemania. Someone should of shoved Wrestlemania 6 right in the face of whomever decided that one. And Orlando Jordan of all people. Did he beat anybody before that other then crappy jobbers? Wow, the more I'm writing this, the more I want to stab someone.

03-02-2005, 05:48 PM	#21
The Icon of Elisim Elitist Member Posts: 15,438	I thought of an idea today Haas gets the win instead of Jordan Next week he shows up on Raw to visit Shelton. Shelton ribs him about how he needed help to win the belt. Haas takes offense and the two start to fight and we get a Haas vs Benjamin interpromotional match for WM.

03-02-2005, 06:02 PM	#22
The Show Off Total Non-Stop Apologist Posts: 4,430	Cena losing the United States Championship before Wrestlemania is just WWE's way to have a US Title Match and a World Title match at Wrestlemania. Also someone mentioned before something about Wrestlemania VI, where Ultimate Warrior was the Intercontinental Champion going into his match against Hogan. There is one big diffrence between Cena and Warrior, Warrior won the title at Wrestlemania, Cena's not going to beat JBL at Wrestlemania, because even being the second to last match at Wrestlemania isn't big enough stakes for Cena to win the gold the first time. Cena's going to win the World Championship at Wrestlemania XXII, and that's going to be the first time he does it. Randy Orton is going to jump to Smackdown! and be a heel. After a few months or so Randy will win the the Championship, and he Eddie Guerrero, JBL, and probably Taker will throw the title around, all the while planting the seeds of a Cena/Orton match at Wrestlemania XXII. Then Cena wins the Rumble and then the World Championship, making him huge! With all that being said him losing the US Championship doesn't hurt his character, he lost due to interference, that make him look like he was screwed, just like he was when Booker T got the US belt and just like when Carlito won the US belt. Cena hasn't cleanly lost a match in about a year, so how the hell could anyone say his character is getting hurt? In the long run, him losing the US title is meaninless to his career.

03-02-2005, 06:09 PM	#23
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	1) He lost his Title to a jobber 2) I'll be my house he wins at Mania 3) You don't job your most over guy in the company to crap. 4) You can win 200 matches in a row and have your character killed in one night (**see WCW Dec 99) 5) Not saying his character is killed, but having him pinned 3 weeks before Mania by a guy that hasn't beat anybody big in....WELL NEVER...doesn't help a lot.

03-02-2005, 06:29 PM	#24
Marc the Smark Posts: 2,064	Credit to PWInsider.com for the following report: I just got back from the Smackdown taping in Albany, New York. Decent size crowd tonight; Max 10000 people. 65% of the upper deck was tapered off. Though most of the matches were your regular Smackdown and Velocity quality matches, the crowd was pretty lively and almost every wrestler got a reaction. Here's a quick run of the velocity and Smackdown tapings. < Dark Match: Joey Matthews and Johnny Nitro (with their extremely hot manager Melina) beat Scotty 2 Hotty and Shannon Moore. Shannon Moore did a beautiful somersault plancha to the outside. Nitro and Matthews use a 3D/DDT type finisher. Velocity: The Bashams beat Hardcore Holly and Charlie Haas Nunzio beat Spike Dudley Paul London and Funaki beat Chavo Guererro and Akio with London hitting an amazing dropsault on Chavo and Akio (Akio got the moonsault portion) followed by a picture perfect 450 Splash to end the match. Before Smackdown, a long Wrestlemania promo was showed with many wrestlers like Mick Foley, The Rock and Steve Austin talking about how "Wrestlemania changes careers". Smackdown: John Cena comes out to the biggest pop of the night. Pretty much he just wants to fight JBL. He's a fighting champion and therefore will defend his US title against Orlando Jordan in the main event 1st match- Tag Team Title match- Eddie Guerrero and Rey Misterio Jr. beat Mark Jindrak and Luther Reigns with Eddie hitting the frogsplash on Luther and Rey hits the 619 on the outside. Luther and Jindrak argue after the match and Jindrak knocks Luther down with a single punch. Carlito and Teddy Long backstage segment. Carlito has to listen to Teddy Long or he will leave Smackdown. First assignment, start shoveling snow outside of the Pepsi Arena. 2nd match- Booker T beat Heidenrich. Heidenrich tries to use a chair. Gets DDTed on the chair + axe kick. booker wins Best part of the match. Angle comes out with a couple of cops for the Angle Invitational. Talks about "beating HBK to a bloody pulp" on his home "turf" on RAW. Shows the footage from Monday night. The challenger comes out with hoody covering his face. Angle says "You think I'm that gullible? You're Shawn Michaels" It's not Michaels, it's some wrestler from Albany, New York (big pop). Angle says something then the cameraman behind Angle takes off his hat, fake mustache and eyebrows revealing HBK. Let the brawling begins. Security stops it. Enormous HBK chants. He love us and gives us a round of applause. Backstage promo- Michelle McCool, Joy and Lauren "I am completely useless" Jones are backstage. All you need to know is that Dawn Marie is pssed at Michelle and challenges her to a match, a mixed tag match. They can pick any partner. 3rd match- Dawn Marie brings out Renee Dupree. Michelle brings out suprise* Big Show. Michelle tries to wrestle. She sucks. Tries to do a springboard type elbow but messed up. Big Show chokeslams Renee. 123. Show and random diva #4 wins match. Various WM commericals shown. Carlito shown outside the Pepsi shoveling snow with one hand. Car passed by and covers Carlito with water. JBL promo. We are stupid, we should respect him. Talks about his great upbringing. We're white trash blah blah blah. Leaves pissed off because he's booed like mad. Bashams, JBL and Jordan go to leave but JBL stops him and tells him he better win the US title or he'll "send him back to the hood and his people" RACIST COMMENT! Thanks for insulting 5% of the crowd who are black. 4th match- US Title match- Orlando Jordan beat John Cena to become the new US champion. Bashams ran in and distracted the ref as JBL clocks Cena with the WWE title allowing Jordan to get the pin. Immediately following the cameras going off. Cena is still in the ring and Taker comes in. HUGE pop. The dark match was advertised as a 6 man tag between Undertaker, Cena and Big Show vs. Kurt Angle, JBL and Heindenrich but it's changed to a regular tag match with Cena and Taker vs. JBL and Orlando Jordan. Funny stuff. Tazz wears JBL's hat and JBL wears Tazz's sunglasses. Lots of funny stuff. JBL throws up the X injury sign saying Jordan is hurt. JBL wrestle in dress shoes and pants. JBL calls for a time out during the match. Also, tries to choke Taker with the tag rope. Eventually we get Take chokeslamming Jordan and the FU from Cena on JBL to end the match. everyone leaves except for Taker who does his regular stuff much to the satisfaction of the crowd. Not a great show but live events are extremely fun Biggest Pop: Cena HBK/Taker Big Show Eddie/Rey Biggest Heat: JBL Kurt Angle

03-02-2005, 06:36 PM	#26
Volchok L.G. Fuad Posts: 4,834	you gotta love the Albany fans..

03-02-2005, 06:44 PM	#27
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	I really don't know how to respond to this beacuse your the first person I've heard, casual or internet fan, pushing OJ as a credible worker. He gets no reaction what so ever and yet you see him as one of the best guys on Smackdown. Being 2nd in command in a stable nobody gives a crap about isn't saying a whole lot. The ratings and the breakdown numbers for JBL's segments prove that. Just buy a copy of the Observer and see who's tuning in to watch. They're not having JBL winning at Mania. He's held the Title for way to long and Mania is always the place where a guy puts a stop to it. So far, I read the plan is Cena is winning. I really don't see the logic in jobbing your #1 babyface in the company at Wrestlemania for the Title. He's like thier "Austin" right now. Saying that, let me ask you this. Say Austin had the IC Title and was going to face HBK for the Title at Mania. Do you make Austin job to HHH 3 weeks before that due to HBK interference? There's no logic there. Making your "money guys" look weak is a no no. Oh and the Goldberg thing, again talk to anyone and they'll say that moment killed WCW and Goldberg. You should get a copy of Bobby Heenan's shoot interview. He says it himself. And he's as credible as you can get.

03-02-2005, 06:58 PM	#28
Loose Cannon I'm all there is Posts: 31,811	and even if JBL wins at Mania: Now you've beaten your most over superstar twice in Title matches. To me, that makes Cena seem worthless. He came all this way up and now he's lost his US Title, lost a chance at the World Title and lost at the biggest stage of them all.

03-02-2005, 07:20 PM	#30
M. Banana Guest Posts: n/a	LC said it best..

03-02-2005, 07:54 PM	#32
Fox "Ask him!" Posts: 10,075	I understand you people's concern over Orlando beating Cena only weeks before WrestleMania, where Cena is in the Smackdown main event for the Title. It would have been cool for John to win the WWE Title, then celebrate his victory holding both titles and looking like a champ (see: Jericho when he won the Undisputed Titles, he looked like a bad ass carrying both belts). But at the same time, John Cena doesn't need the US Title to make his victory at WrestleMania any bigger. It would just lead to a tournament on Smackdown, or some other lame shit. Given, this situation is pretty lame too, but it gives someone else a chance with the US Title, furthers the JBL/Cena feud, and sets up another title match at Mania. The WWE must know that Jordan is shit (JBL's shit too, but at least he can talk). OJ will job the title to a more deserving FACE at WrestleMania (probably Haas) and the title will become a mid-card belt again, instead of Cena's pretty little trophy. Cena is a main event player now - the US title is below him. I'd like to see Haas with the US Title as well, but what sense would it have made to give Charlie (a face) a victory over Cena (also a face)? This way, the Cabinet has a one-up on Cena by taking his title away, and a face can win the US Title at Mania. It's all about business.

03-02-2005, 09:01 PM	#34
The CyNick Make the IWC Great Again Posts: 8,922	Show Off, LC si completely right on this one. I also like OJ, and I think he has potential, but to say he's a credible star just because he hangs out with the WWE Champion lacks some logic. By your logic when Taker was WWE Champ with the Ministry, Viscera and Mideon were credible top guys. Cena IS going to win at Mania, and the fact that he dropped the US title pretty much guarantees that. They will not have him lose both of his titles within the span of 5 weeks, especially when they plan on making him the focal point of Smackdown. And they cant build up his first WWE Title win for a whole year when he is so close to winning right now. If they were to wait that long, the people would give up on Cena long before Mania 22. I agree with LC that having him JOB was really dumb. By having him win the WWE Title as the US Champ actually elevates the US title, and keeps Cena strong. Because now we've seen the guy who was the US champ beat the WWE Champ. The next guy who carries the US title would be able to point to that fact as a reason why they are top guy as well. The smart thing to do would have been for JBL to remind Long about the 30 day and clause and force Cena to defend the US title at least twice between now and Mania. They could build up that Cena is working more than JBL and therefore more vulnerable at Mania. Of course he would end up conquering the odds and win the WWE Title. Its very simple booking (which is why it would work). The theory that they needed to have a US title match at Mania is also dumb. There's no match that they could make for OJ that would get people going "whoa OJ is defending the US title against___________ I have to see that". Its just going to be a throwaway match that nobody will remeber. Looking at the guys who dont have a serious program for Mania, the most likely match for OJ will be Booker T or more likely Big Show. Does anyone think Show-OJ will help Mania sell PPVs? If you do you're retarded. Regarding WCW and Goldberg, the thing that killed Goldberg was that he lost the title, and never got revenge for it. Everytime Austin or Hogan lost the title in the WWE, they would battle back and get it back. With Goldberg they just pushed him aside, and it made him look like a joke. But that said, having him lose at that point to Nash, the way it happened was really stupid.

03-02-2005, 11:40 PM	#36
M. Banana Guest Posts: n/a	John Cena wasn't in the main event last year, yet he won the US title from Big Show.

03-02-2005, 11:42 PM	#37
Hired Hitman The Next Great One н� Posts: 18,684	"Carlito shown outside the Pepsi shoveling snow with one hand. Car passed by and covers Carlito with water."